CA. Air Board Adopts Vehicle Emission Cuts - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Kid Zelda · 09-24-2004, 04:31 PM

Calif. regulators approve world's toughest vehicle smog rules

By TIM MOLLOY
Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- California air regulators on Friday unanimously approved the world's most ambitious rules to reduce the car emissions that contribute to global warming, a move that could bring sweeping changes to how the rest of the nation fights vehicle pollution.

The regulations are expected to cut exhaust emissions in cars and light trucks by 25 percent and in larger trucks and SUVs by 18 percent.

Their approval by the California Air Resources Board came after nearly two full days of debate and discussion, during which the auto industry vigorously stated its opposition.

Industry officials argued that the board did not have the authority to adopt such sweeping regulations, that they couldn't be met by current technology, and that they unfairly targeted California, which produces less than 1 percent of the world's greenhouse gases.

Heat-trapping greenhouse gases are believed by many scientists to contribute to global warming.

The proposals would require automakers to reduce emissions by using such technological innovations as better air conditioners, more efficient transmissions and smaller engines.

Among those supporting the regulations was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's environmental protection secretary, Terry Tamminen, who said Friday he and Schwarzenegger believe California should do its part to reduce pollution. He strongly urged the board to adopt the proposals.

"We can make it clear that yes, we understand that our contribution, no matter how large or small, makes a difference," Tamminen said. "Every single action that we take - or inaction - makes a difference."

Gloria J. Bergquist, a spokeswoman for the industry trade group Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said the regulations would only reduce worldwide emissions of greenhouse gases by "one-tenth of 1 percent."

"We see that as no apparent health benefit at a great cost to California consumers," she said.

Bergquist said manufacturers are already working to produce cleaner vehicles, but that introducing the technology required under the regulations would be "almost as complicated as developing the first automobile."

Asked after the vote if her group planned to sue to block the regulations, she said that was an option but no decision had been made yet.

The board's staff said the cost increases would top out at about $1,000 per vehicle by 2016. Staff members studied the automakers' estimates Thursday night, and said in a report issued Friday that the automakers' $3,000 figure was an exaggeration.

Air Resources Board Chairman Alan C. Lloyd and other board members said they were disappointed that automakers did not accept invitations to work with them on the regulations.

"The response, the silence, was deafening," Lloyd said. "We should be able to work together. I hope that we still can work together on this tremendously important issue. The stakes could not be higher."

Board member Mark DeSaulnier, a Contra Costa County supervisor, said he had slept fitfully the night before the vote because he felt "disappointment, frustration, and sometimes anger at the auto industry."

He objected to industry arguments that Washington, D.C., and not California, should lead efforts to fight greenhouse emissions - and argued that automakers should have taken the lead themselves.

"If I had my druthers, it would be settled in Detroit," he said.

The proposals stem from a law signed by former Gov. Gray Davis in 2002 that required the board to set emission standards for greenhouse gases. The bill's author, Assemblywoman Fran Pavley, D-Agoura Hills, said Friday's vote marked the first time in the world regulations have been placed on vehicles for the specific purpose of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

She said the fact the action had the support of Davis, a Democrat, and Schwarzenegger, the Republican who replaced him, "speaks to the unified effort among all Californians" to reduce greenhouse gases.

Board members said there is no dispute that greenhouse gases contribute to global warming that can harm California's economy in fields ranging from agriculture to tourism.

They said the emissions can also lead to serious respiratory problems, especially among children, by exacerbating the effects of smog. Los Angeles has the worst smog problem in the nation.

Board member Henry Gong, a physician, noted that many medical experts pushed for the regulations and none testified against them.

Andrew Bohan · 09-24-2004, 04:42 PM

/me moves back to washington

see ya

Kid Zelda · 09-24-2004, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by i'm driftaholic

/me moves back to washington

see ya

Your 2 4 0 still belongs to me .. no matter how far you move

HyperTek · 09-24-2004, 04:47 PM

did that law ever pass about hitting the cars 30 years and older??

man this blows... id hate to put all my money into my car and get it taken away or loose it from law

old_s13 · 09-24-2004, 04:51 PM

Among those supporting the regulations was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's environmental protection secretary, Terry Tamminen, who said Friday he and Schwarzenegger believe California should do its part to reduce pollution. He strongly urged the board to adopt the proposals.

Uh huh. Sure Arnold, rather than focusing on smog why not focus on your fucking FACE riding inside of that mass-poluting shit-pile of a vehicle known as a H2... BITCH.

Kid Zelda · 09-24-2004, 04:54 PM

Bold_s13.2

Me is tinking de saf ding .. h2 WHAT !@!! H2!@!

**ThatGuy** · 09-24-2004, 04:56 PM

So the pollution in Cali, had nothing to do with big budget movie studios setting off massive explosions and pyrotechnics on a daily basis? It's all about the cars. Got it.

Kid Zelda · 09-24-2004, 04:59 PM

Yes, lets not forget all the Factories.. they run on Pepsi .. no pollution @ all
Oh wait, they "contribute" to the different parties ... great :/

IMPEACH THE TERMINATOR ... HE MUST BE DISSASEMMBYLED

Andrew Bohan · 09-24-2004, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

Yes, lets not forget all the Factories.. they run on Pepsi .. no pollution @ all
Oh wait, they "contribute" to the different parties ... great :/

yes.
i think there was a study done that determined heavy industry makes waaaaaaay more pollution than cars.

and let's not forget about heavy diesel, belching black smoke. nice n clean.

kanekz · 09-24-2004, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

Yes, lets not forget all the Factories.. they run on Pepsi .. no pollution @ all
Oh wait, they "contribute" to the different parties ... great :/

IMPEACH THE TERMINATOR ... HE MUST BE DISSASEMMBYLED

Omar, you are funny in your own right man. Some of the shit that you say makes me giggle....like a little girl.

MakotoS13 · 09-24-2004, 05:39 PM

you guys are effing screwed.

Kid Zelda · 09-24-2004, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

you guys are effing screwed.

YYEEEHHAAAWWW.. ride'em cowboy .. Texas is next !@!!@! muahaha

proj240sx · 09-24-2004, 06:02 PM

moving away from this expensive state w/ more and more BS laws starting to sound better and better..

WilloW · 09-24-2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

you guys are effing screwed.

From what I know all the other states based their smog reglulations on California, and they are making changes to adopt similar standards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid Zelda

YYEEEHHAAAWWW.. ride'em cowboy .. Texas is next !@!!@! muahaha.

Hahah, that shit already started in Texas. Dallas and Austin already got the roller dyno and OBDII emission tests, there could be a few more cities but those are the one I know of. What part of Texas are you at MakotoS13? I'm moving to Dallas in a few months.

BoroBoroS13 · 09-24-2004, 06:30 PM

Great... now we are going to have to pay 3K more for a new car to save one-tenth of 1 percent of the worlds polution. Great job you tree hugging bastards, whats next? You gonna ban cars all together and tell us to walk to save the world?

Pepperoni · 09-24-2004, 06:40 PM

Reduce By 25%???! Jeez Wtf!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING??? Oh yeah, $$$

*HaLo* · 09-24-2004, 06:55 PM

So the toughest spot in North America just got tougher? Good luck to you guys...

(makes more "illegal" motors for the rest of the country and Canada though...

)

theronin · 09-24-2004, 07:24 PM

we still have the hottest women though

Pacman · 09-24-2004, 08:06 PM

Doesn't California have the toughest laws? Why would they want them tougher? Why doesn't the states people have a say, not just the politicians?

nokeone · 09-25-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacman

Doesn't California have the toughest laws? Why would they want them tougher? Why doesn't the states people have a say, not just the politicians?

money..

and what do you think elections are for?...that's the people's say...

this doesn't really change much...if your n/a KA passed before it will pass now...SRs were never legal, nor were KATs...so i don't really see the big deal or how it will affect us drastically...if you have a smog hook up now...you'll have one when these new standards are implemented...

yeah it's annoying that they are going after the one thing that we enjoy...but most people couldn't care less about this...so it's an easy target..

this is mostly geared towards new cars though..that is what is upsetting the auto manufacturers...it is going to raise production costs on NEW cars which will be forced to adopt these new standards from the factory...so their prices will go up...they are worried about sales and profit margins...

i don't think we have THAT much to worry about compared to all that we already deal with as far as cops and inspections and all that crap...

i bet we wont even notice a change...

evilimport · 09-24-2004, 11:47 PM

thank god Im in Florida...oh, wait, we have hurricanes to blow our smog away......shit.

vvtisupra · 09-25-2004, 03:14 AM

fuck that methane is one of the gasses part of the green house effect and we make it and so do cows. Lets help out by eating more meet ! Not making cars piss like civics

that180guy · 09-25-2004, 03:57 AM

booooooooooooo more emissions laws!!!!!
"those hatchi guys whore waiting 10 yrs for their 20valve motors 2 be legal.....FAT CHANCE" - kazuo

u guys kno how it goes....more laws = more laws broken

91CRXsiR · 09-25-2004, 04:00 AM

well who here follows the friggin smog laws anyways.

they should just cut all smog laws/insurance crap and make gas like 3.00 a gallon or something..

tekNetium · 09-25-2004, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91CRXsiR

they should just cut all smog laws/insurance crap and make gas like 3.00 a gallon or something..

Oh, USD$3 a gallon is alot? Try paying USD$6.5 a gallon like us Euroboys.

evilimport · 09-25-2004, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tekNetium

Try paying USD$6.5 a gallon like us Euroboys.

Ouch! Screw that... you have emission laws there?

KA24DESOneThree · 09-25-2004, 09:47 AM

California also slapped BMW with $42 million in fines.

Arnie, get rid of the visual check and I'll let the 25% thing and the BMW fines slide.

fastpace · 09-25-2004, 10:59 AM

The strict smog laws has already hit alot of the major cities in Texas. But not everywhere. When I leave college and have to live in a big city in Texas I will more than likely go back to my college town or a small city to get my inspection sticker. That is what my brother's friend did because she couldn't pass in houston.

Oh yeah about the damn smog thing, it is totally BS. I took an environmental class in the summer and my prof was probaly one of the coolest profs I have had. He told us that smog and pollution of air is over exaggerated and really not a big problem as all of the tree huggers say it is. He explained it really good, but the most important thing is that the govt. is power hungry.

ZK · 09-25-2004, 11:42 AM

Stricter smog also drives people to buy new cars because some older cars wont pass any more. More money for the car industry.

misnomer · 09-25-2004, 11:44 AM

Well, look at the facts:

- The law was passed in California
- California already tends to have the most involvement in regulating it's citizens lives
- Regulation is generally only implemented as needed

Thus, Californians obviously have no common sense and therefor must be regulated in every aspect of everything.

Think I'm wrong? Who elected your officials? Yeah, that's right. I'll keep laughing from my desert home over the hill :P

Regardless of anything, there is a definite problem with fuel consumption. Granted, the environmental stand on this is rediculous. Cars pollute, but nowhere near as much as they did 15 years ago. The problem with fossil fuels is our "dependence" on foreign oils. Shit, if these regulations force a change away from gas powered internal combustion, I'm all for it-- provided the alternative isn't rediculous as well. Look at it this way, when we stop fighting over control of oil, we can fight over more important things. . . like control of coffee. . .

09-24-2004, 04:31 PM	#1
Kid Zelda BANNED Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CA. Air Board Adopts Vehicle Emission Cuts Calif. regulators approve world's toughest vehicle smog rules By TIM MOLLOY Associated Press Writer LOS ANGELES (AP) -- California air regulators on Friday unanimously approved the world's most ambitious rules to reduce the car emissions that contribute to global warming, a move that could bring sweeping changes to how the rest of the nation fights vehicle pollution. The regulations are expected to cut exhaust emissions in cars and light trucks by 25 percent and in larger trucks and SUVs by 18 percent. Their approval by the California Air Resources Board came after nearly two full days of debate and discussion, during which the auto industry vigorously stated its opposition. Industry officials argued that the board did not have the authority to adopt such sweeping regulations, that they couldn't be met by current technology, and that they unfairly targeted California, which produces less than 1 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. Heat-trapping greenhouse gases are believed by many scientists to contribute to global warming. The proposals would require automakers to reduce emissions by using such technological innovations as better air conditioners, more efficient transmissions and smaller engines. Among those supporting the regulations was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's environmental protection secretary, Terry Tamminen, who said Friday he and Schwarzenegger believe California should do its part to reduce pollution. He strongly urged the board to adopt the proposals. "We can make it clear that yes, we understand that our contribution, no matter how large or small, makes a difference," Tamminen said. "Every single action that we take - or inaction - makes a difference." Gloria J. Bergquist, a spokeswoman for the industry trade group Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, said the regulations would only reduce worldwide emissions of greenhouse gases by "one-tenth of 1 percent." "We see that as no apparent health benefit at a great cost to California consumers," she said. Bergquist said manufacturers are already working to produce cleaner vehicles, but that introducing the technology required under the regulations would be "almost as complicated as developing the first automobile." Asked after the vote if her group planned to sue to block the regulations, she said that was an option but no decision had been made yet. The board's staff said the cost increases would top out at about $1,000 per vehicle by 2016. Staff members studied the automakers' estimates Thursday night, and said in a report issued Friday that the automakers' $3,000 figure was an exaggeration. Air Resources Board Chairman Alan C. Lloyd and other board members said they were disappointed that automakers did not accept invitations to work with them on the regulations. "The response, the silence, was deafening," Lloyd said. "We should be able to work together. I hope that we still can work together on this tremendously important issue. The stakes could not be higher." Board member Mark DeSaulnier, a Contra Costa County supervisor, said he had slept fitfully the night before the vote because he felt "disappointment, frustration, and sometimes anger at the auto industry." He objected to industry arguments that Washington, D.C., and not California, should lead efforts to fight greenhouse emissions - and argued that automakers should have taken the lead themselves. "If I had my druthers, it would be settled in Detroit," he said. The proposals stem from a law signed by former Gov. Gray Davis in 2002 that required the board to set emission standards for greenhouse gases. The bill's author, Assemblywoman Fran Pavley, D-Agoura Hills, said Friday's vote marked the first time in the world regulations have been placed on vehicles for the specific purpose of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. She said the fact the action had the support of Davis, a Democrat, and Schwarzenegger, the Republican who replaced him, "speaks to the unified effort among all Californians" to reduce greenhouse gases. Board members said there is no dispute that greenhouse gases contribute to global warming that can harm California's economy in fields ranging from agriculture to tourism. They said the emissions can also lead to serious respiratory problems, especially among children, by exacerbating the effects of smog. Los Angeles has the worst smog problem in the nation. Board member Henry Gong, a physician, noted that many medical experts pushed for the regulations and none testified against them.

09-24-2004, 04:47 PM	#4
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,224 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	did that law ever pass about hitting the cars 30 years and older?? man this blows... id hate to put all my money into my car and get it taken away or loose it from law __________________ Keep it Classy

09-24-2004, 04:56 PM	#7
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 45 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So the pollution in Cali, had nothing to do with big budget movie studios setting off massive explosions and pyrotechnics on a daily basis? It's all about the cars. Got it. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

09-24-2004, 06:02 PM	#13
proj240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Age: 41 Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	moving away from this expensive state w/ more and more BS laws starting to sound better and better.. __________________ 90 RPS1345 hybrid thingy & 01 IS300

09-24-2004, 06:30 PM	#15
BoroBoroS13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nor Cal Age: 41 Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Great... now we are going to have to pay 3K more for a new car to save one-tenth of 1 percent of the worlds polution. Great job you tree hugging bastards, whats next? You gonna ban cars all together and tell us to walk to save the world? __________________

09-24-2004, 04:42 PM	#2
Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,331 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	/me moves back to washington see ya

09-24-2004, 04:51 PM	#5
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Among those supporting the regulations was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's environmental protection secretary, Terry Tamminen, who said Friday he and Schwarzenegger believe California should do its part to reduce pollution. He strongly urged the board to adopt the proposals. Uh huh. Sure Arnold, rather than focusing on smog why not focus on your fucking FACE riding inside of that mass-poluting shit-pile of a vehicle known as a H2... BITCH.

09-24-2004, 04:54 PM	#6
Kid Zelda BANNED Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bold_s13.2 Me is tinking de saf ding .. h2 WHAT !@!! H2!@!

09-24-2004, 04:59 PM	#8
Kid Zelda BANNED Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, lets not forget all the Factories.. they run on Pepsi .. no pollution @ all Oh wait, they "contribute" to the different parties ... great :/ IMPEACH THE TERMINATOR ... HE MUST BE DISSASEMMBYLED

09-24-2004, 05:39 PM	#11
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you guys are effing screwed.

09-24-2004, 06:40 PM	#16
Pepperoni Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: norcal Posts: 750 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Reduce By 25%???! Jeez Wtf!! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING??? Oh yeah, $$$ __________________ Turbo piping, Intakes and More: http://www.pipingpro.com

09-24-2004, 06:55 PM	#17
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 46 Posts: 5,201 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So the toughest spot in North America just got tougher? Good luck to you guys... (makes more "illegal" motors for the rest of the country and Canada though... ) __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Drivers: '23 Audi Q4 e-tron & '13 VW Touareg SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

09-24-2004, 08:06 PM	#19
Pacman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Age: 37 Posts: 1,149 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Doesn't California have the toughest laws? Why would they want them tougher? Why doesn't the states people have a say, not just the politicians?

09-24-2004, 11:47 PM	#21
evilimport Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Daytona Beach Psycho Ward Posts: 778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thank god Im in Florida...oh, wait, we have hurricanes to blow our smog away......shit.

09-25-2004, 03:14 AM	#22
vvtisupra Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SB and OC Posts: 2,118 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	fuck that methane is one of the gasses part of the green house effect and we make it and so do cows. Lets help out by eating more meet ! Not making cars piss like civics

09-25-2004, 03:57 AM	#23
that180guy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: EaStO BaYo Age: 39 Posts: 968 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	booooooooooooo more emissions laws!!!!! "those hatchi guys whore waiting 10 yrs for their 20valve motors 2 be legal.....FAT CHANCE" - kazuo u guys kno how it goes....more laws = more laws broken __________________ LP stylez!! bishes Lazy Penguin since teh 04' Part of the Elite Shasta Speed Stars RIP......05-09-03....sniff sniff the beast nears completion..... YOU LOOK AND U BUY STUFF !!!!!*

09-25-2004, 04:00 AM	#24
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 42 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well who here follows the friggin smog laws anyways. they should just cut all smog laws/insurance crap and make gas like 3.00 a gallon or something..

09-25-2004, 09:47 AM	#27
KA24DESOneThree Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 39 Posts: 2,564 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	California also slapped BMW with $42 million in fines. Arnie, get rid of the visual check and I'll let the 25% thing and the BMW fines slide.

09-25-2004, 10:59 AM	#28
fastpace Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Age: 43 Posts: 689 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: fastpace Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The strict smog laws has already hit alot of the major cities in Texas. But not everywhere. When I leave college and have to live in a big city in Texas I will more than likely go back to my college town or a small city to get my inspection sticker. That is what my brother's friend did because she couldn't pass in houston. Oh yeah about the damn smog thing, it is totally BS. I took an environmental class in the summer and my prof was probaly one of the coolest profs I have had. He told us that smog and pollution of air is over exaggerated and really not a big problem as all of the tree huggers say it is. He explained it really good, but the most important thing is that the govt. is power hungry. __________________ life is what you make of it!!!! "well, I go out, I do the practice, I think about it and I concentrate on one small thing I can change that will have an effect. I make that change then I go out and drive to my maximum." -Ayrton Senna

09-25-2004, 11:42 AM	#29
ZK Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Cal Posts: 1,088 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stricter smog also drives people to buy new cars because some older cars wont pass any more. More money for the car industry.

09-25-2004, 11:44 AM	#30
misnomer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nevada Posts: 2,293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, look at the facts: - The law was passed in California - California already tends to have the most involvement in regulating it's citizens lives - Regulation is generally only implemented as needed Thus, Californians obviously have no common sense and therefor must be regulated in every aspect of everything. Think I'm wrong? Who elected your officials? Yeah, that's right. I'll keep laughing from my desert home over the hill :P Regardless of anything, there is a definite problem with fuel consumption. Granted, the environmental stand on this is rediculous. Cars pollute, but nowhere near as much as they did 15 years ago. The problem with fossil fuels is our "dependence" on foreign oils. Shit, if these regulations force a change away from gas powered internal combustion, I'm all for it-- provided the alternative isn't rediculous as well. Look at it this way, when we stop fighting over control of oil, we can fight over more important things. . . like control of coffee. . . __________________ Rowsdower saves us and saves all the world!