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luey02 · 03-08-2002, 09:05 AM

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This car is parked outside my office and everything looks like stock type R.  It has embroidered seats and other interior features..  no pics on interior cuz can't take pics thru glass.  
can anyone confirm this??

sspikey · 03-08-2002, 09:08 AM

its lhd!

*AceInHole* · 03-08-2002, 09:17 AM

The ITR has been available in the US for a while.... at first in very limited production, although after a while I think they started making more.  
In Japan, the ITR is made by Honda, and it would be RHD, as has already been stated (vaguely).

luey02 · 03-08-2002, 09:19 AM

oops.. why didn't I think of that rhd thing..

boosteds14 · 03-08-2002, 10:57 AM

i have been a fan for type-r since 97 so i know them like the back of my hand:

usdm because:
not lhd
rims are not jdm
headlights are not jdm
exhaust tip needs to be a little bigger
the bumper and fenders are not jdm

twofortysx · 03-08-2002, 11:16 AM

It is a USDM Type-R.  The Type-R first came across in 1997. It was available in 97 and 98 in "Championship White" and was the only car that came in this variation of white.  It's effing beautiful.  The Type-R came back in 2000, 2001 in two colors: Phoenix Yellow and a Pearl Black.  The motor and outputs always stayed the same, the '00/'01 models were a bit more refined because unlike the '97/'98 models they came with power windows/doors, A/C and I think a sunroof too.  

The Type-R is a sweet car but there is too much theft on them, and consequently the insurance is far too expensive.

*AceInHole* · 03-08-2002, 12:14 PM

yeah... the original ITR is a true track car.  Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways???  If only Nissan caught on.....

saga240 · 03-08-2002, 12:25 PM

was there ever a sunroof in a type R?.. no way.. i dont think so..  right?..

boosteds14 · 03-08-2002, 01:41 PM

there was never a sunroof in any type-r

twofortysx · 03-08-2002, 01:47 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (twofortysx @ Mar. 07 2002,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.....and I think a sunroof too. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't sure, that's why I said "I think..."

HippoSleek · 03-08-2002, 02:00 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 07 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah... the original ITR is a true track car. Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways??? If only Nissan caught on.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't tell Honda that the ITR was a track car... they'll void your warranty  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

It's a nice minimalist car, to be sure (although not as minimalist in USDM trim).  It handles superbly and is reasonably fast (for an NA 1.8) - but I never think of it as a factory race car or anything like that.  And it is not.  At the same price, I would have taken it over the same year 240sx, but honestly, if I lived in a country with the option, I'd take an s14 K's any day.

Ni5mo180SX · 03-08-2002, 03:08 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Mar. 06 2002,4:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 07 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah... the original ITR is a true track car. Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways??? If only Nissan caught on.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't tell Honda that the ITR was a track car... they'll void your warranty <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

It's a nice minimalist car, to be sure (although not as minimalist in USDM trim). It handles superbly and is reasonably fast (for an NA 1.8) - but I never think of it as a factory race car or anything like that. And it is not. At the same price, I would have taken it over the same year 240sx, but honestly, if I lived in a country with the option, I'd take an s14 K's any day.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What is your interpretation of "factory race car". I think the ITR was one of the best factory track cars sold in the US for its price range. Ever been to an SCCA event and noticed how many ITR's are there? Its for a reason.

*AceInHole* · 03-08-2002, 03:17 PM

LoL.... if the ITR isn't as "race ready" as it gets from the factory.... I'm not quite sure what is....
(Aside from maybe the old S13 Silvia J's Race Spec{?? I remember seeing something like this??) which I recall being a stripped S13 Silvia with an SR20DET.... &nbsp

AmericanBornSilvia · 03-08-2002, 03:28 PM

Actually, in Japan, the NSX Type-R is completely stripped (No A.C. etc IIRC.) as well as some of the other Type-R's The newest one should have a crapload of Carbonfiber parts. Blah, not that it should matter, prolly we wont ever see one here stateside.

Edit: Omg I still cant believe I'm a n00b.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Tuck&Poke · 03-08-2002, 04:44 PM

the usdm itr has only 195 becaues of emissions regulations.  my friend has one in yellow.  that thing books.  we hit 150 in it once.  we gtech'ed it at 174hp at the wheels with minor mods

HippoSleek · 03-08-2002, 05:16 PM

Like I said, I think the ITR is a great out of the box car - but factory race car or race ready are not terms I would apply to it.  I agree that in the US, for its price it is as much fun as you can probably buy.  But it's NOT a race car by any strech!  

My first line is a true story - I know a guy who tracked his ITR, his LSD broke in the warranty period, he took it to the shop, they denied coverage, AND they called American Honda and voided his warranty nationwide <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  If you track the car (he didn't even compete, just competition schools) Honda will not cover ANY problems with the car under warranty).

Is that what a company does with its race cars?  NO!  Does it meet SCCA specs out of the box?  NO!  Comparatively, does it need any less equipment to be put into competitive racing than any other car?  NO!  Is it the fastest?  NO!  Stiffest?  NO!  My point is that it is not race ready or anything else like that - or no more so than many other cars.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the ITR - like I said, it is probably the most fun new car for the money in the US, BUT it is NOT A RACE CAR or race ready or anything like that.  It's just a good handling quick car.  It will still lose to many faster cars on course (given equal drivers).  And yes, I've been to one or two track events  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>   The last one I was at had 21 ITRs in a roughly 120 car field.  So?  There are still just as many Miatas and nearly as many c5's... doesn't make them factory race cars either.

*Grant* · 03-08-2002, 05:42 PM

I would take the S15 over the type-r but you have to hand it to them.In a best motoring video I saw back in 99, the type-r put up a hell of a fight on the track against the s15. i think it held first place until the last lap, where the s15 overtook it and won. unfortunately the s14 did not beat the type-r.

XylathaneGTR · 03-08-2002, 06:07 PM

Type R's? only in Japan?
its a USDM Type R.
Way shittier then a JDM one,
Some of the main differences are small Engine Diffs, the Lights, and the Seats (those 1,800 dolla each recaros are SOOOOO sexy)
that ones a 2001...
I wanted a 98, Those baby's are so...perfect, for a fwd, its the best money can buy...maybe an fto gpx too...
I would rather have an s15/hybrid s14 over a Type R,
And if my current plan of buying a 98 240 don't work out right, im getting Type R. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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I loved type R's...altho the engine isin't that great for Turboing, its still an amazing car...

Takumi · 03-08-2002, 06:29 PM

Integra Type R = hottest car for fools to steal

Those things get stolen once ever week and there's always some dude online sharing his/her sob story about their rides getting messed with or stolen. Integra Type R is a nice car, but it's too much riceboy eye candy that owning it is asking for trouble.  damn, people just can't have nice things and nice rides these days without some haters messing with it. =/

Ni5mo180SX · 03-08-2002, 06:38 PM

Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of
A) small engine differences
B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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C) the seats
Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240?

Tuck&Poke · 03-08-2002, 06:55 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ Mar. 07 2002,7:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of
A) small engine differences
B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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C) the seats
Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no just cat. differences.  we got the more potent ones.  and yeh the only difference is front and rear bumpers (5mph unlike japan) and the seats.  no major engine changes like diff. compression.  fast car though. pulls like .88g's on verticle accelaration.  we beat an old school supra with my "superior" driving skills.

Ni5mo180SX · 03-08-2002, 07:02 PM

The compression is different between US and JDM models. They have higher octane fuel in Japan so they could go with higher comp. and had to lower it when it was brought here to prevent knocking. Im also fairly sure the exhaust manifold on the ITR is different between USDM and JDM models.

Tuck&Poke · 03-08-2002, 07:06 PM

whats the difference cause im pretty sure usdm has like 10.5:1 and wouldnt rasing it give a lot more hp?

XylathaneGTR · 03-08-2002, 07:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ Mar. 07 2002,7:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of
A) small engine differences
B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>
C) the seats
Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol, sorry
I got your point...what i said is riceboyish, and i take it back <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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No, the USDM Type R is NOT shittier, Cause i would kill to have either of them, seriously...
Altho i want an s14 now more then ever, a sexy Type R is a close second.
But yeah...sry about saying a USDM tR is shittier cause of lights, small engine diffs, and the seats,

XylathaneGTR · 03-08-2002, 07:12 PM

the USDM spec b18c5 does have 10:5:1 as i know...
Pumping out 195 hp from a 1.8L is damn good...108.51 to be exact...
raising it any higher would have significant strain on the engine, and cause a lot of damage to it, if not blowing it.
thats why a b18c5 is not the best engine for Turbocharging, Nitros injections, or high psi supercharging amounts.
the b18c1 (integra GS-R) has lower compression ratios, making it more popular for forced induction, and a popular Civic Swap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Ni5mo180SX · 03-08-2002, 07:13 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ Mar. 06 2002,9:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">whats the difference cause im pretty sure usdm has like 10.5:1 and wouldnt rasing it give a lot more hp?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yea USDM's is 10:5 I think, but JDMs is higher. Raising it alone wont give it huge power but would give it a bit more power and make the engine seemingly more responsive.

Ni5mo180SX · 03-08-2002, 07:16 PM

ha, its ok GTR, I just thought you were taking Hippos position on it and attacking the ITR for no reason.

jdm togue · 03-08-2002, 07:22 PM

It is a USDM Type R <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

Tuck&Poke · 03-08-2002, 07:28 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XylathaneGTR @ Mar. 07 2002,8:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the USDM spec b18c5 does have 10:5:1 as i know...
Pumping out 195 hp from a 1.8L is damn good...108.51 to be exact...
raising it any higher would have significant strain on the engine, and cause a lot of damage to it, if not blowing it.
thats why a b18c5 is not the best engine for Turbocharging, Nitros injections, or high psi supercharging amounts.
the b18c1 (integra GS-R) has lower compression ratios, making it more popular for forced induction, and a popular Civic Swap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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yeh you deff. gotta get new pistons but the good thing is that since theyre factory forged you can boost like 10psi max on stock internals.  my friend with the itr got a turbo kit and hes gonna boost 8 on stock internals.  even the gsr has high compression 10.0:1 i think is the number or it could be 9.8:1 not quite sure now

XylathaneGTR · 03-08-2002, 11:26 PM

attacking type R for no reason? DUDE I LOVE TYPE R's...
Every time i see one...shit its orgasmic...
Once, i saw one with the nicest lowering ever...it was a sunny day, i was in parents Lexus, getting a ride down to my friends house, and i see it comming down a hill...A white one, 99 (500 99's were released in CANADA only...ahhahaha) it had some massive interior work done, u could hear it from across the street in my parents car...
i literally told my dad, who was driving, to pull over so i could gock at the car...
Unfourtnatly, type R's are way to expensive...
28k Canadian for a 98 with 15k kilometers on it? damn...that's a lot yo...and think of the insurance.
The GSR does have some high compression too, but it can handle induction better then a b18c5 can...b18c5 is best run Naturally Asperated, altho it can take mods like Turbo and Nitroz, its not meant for it.
heh, the other day...i saw this like, Old civic hatchback, not the newer ones, the OLD kind, whats on it? 'CIVIC TYPE R.' so sad...hehe
But seriously tho...I wuv type R's with all my heart...i wuv a silvia more...but damn, Type Rs are still amazing.

03-08-2002, 09:05 AM	#1
luey02 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 519 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://communities.msn.com/Lucious....toID=11 http://communities.msn.com/Lucious....toID=12 http://communities.msn.com/Lucious....toID=13 This car is parked outside my office and everything looks like stock type R.  It has embroidered seats and other interior features..  no pics on interior cuz can't take pics thru glass.   can anyone confirm this?? __________________ K. Lu

03-08-2002, 09:08 AM	#2
sspikey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 394 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its lhd! __________________ keeping it sideways cuz im too fast to drive straight.

03-08-2002, 09:19 AM	#4
luey02 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 519 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oops.. why didn't I think of that rhd thing.. __________________ K. Lu

03-08-2002, 10:57 AM	#5
boosteds14 Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CIPmotorsports Age: 43 Posts: 1,612 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have been a fan for type-r since 97 so i know them like the back of my hand: usdm because: not lhd rims are not jdm headlights are not jdm exhaust tip needs to be a little bigger the bumper and fenders are not jdm __________________ 240SXONE www.240SXMOTORING.com --- One Stop Shop for Your Nissan 240sx

03-08-2002, 11:16 AM	#6
twofortysx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It is a USDM Type-R.  The Type-R first came across in 1997. It was available in 97 and 98 in "Championship White" and was the only car that came in this variation of white.  It's effing beautiful.  The Type-R came back in 2000, 2001 in two colors: Phoenix Yellow and a Pearl Black.  The motor and outputs always stayed the same, the '00/'01 models were a bit more refined because unlike the '97/'98 models they came with power windows/doors, A/C and I think a sunroof too.   The Type-R is a sweet car but there is too much theft on them, and consequently the insurance is far too expensive. __________________ "Now I'm in 3rd and you think that's quick? Wait till I hit 5th." - 98 s14 -

03-08-2002, 09:17 AM	#3
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The ITR has been available in the US for a while.... at first in very limited production, although after a while I think they started making more.   In Japan, the ITR is made by Honda, and it would be RHD, as has already been stated (vaguely). __________________

03-08-2002, 12:14 PM	#7
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah... the original ITR is a true track car.  Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways???  If only Nissan caught on..... __________________

03-08-2002, 12:25 PM	#8
saga240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: long beach Posts: 277 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	was there ever a sunroof in a type R?.. no way.. i dont think so..  right?.. __________________ 96 240sx SE RIP 91 Mr2 turbo.. td06.. and nothing else.. =)

03-08-2002, 01:41 PM	#9
boosteds14 Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CIPmotorsports Age: 43 Posts: 1,612 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	there was never a sunroof in any type-r __________________ 240SXONE www.240SXMOTORING.com --- One Stop Shop for Your Nissan 240sx

03-08-2002, 01:47 PM	#10
twofortysx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (twofortysx @ Mar. 07 2002,10:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.....and I think a sunroof too. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I wasn't sure, that's why I said "I think..." __________________ "Now I'm in 3rd and you think that's quick? Wait till I hit 5th." - 98 s14 -

03-08-2002, 02:00 PM	#11
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 07 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah... the original ITR is a true track car. Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways??? If only Nissan caught on.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Don't tell Honda that the ITR was a track car... they'll void your warranty  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> It's a nice minimalist car, to be sure (although not as minimalist in USDM trim).  It handles superbly and is reasonably fast (for an NA 1.8) - but I never think of it as a factory race car or anything like that.  And it is not.  At the same price, I would have taken it over the same year 240sx, but honestly, if I lived in a country with the option, I'd take an s14 K's any day.

03-08-2002, 03:08 PM	#12
Ni5mo180SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Orange County Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Mar. 06 2002,4:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 07 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah... the original ITR is a true track car. Who the hell needs A/C and power accessories anyways??? If only Nissan caught on.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Don't tell Honda that the ITR was a track car... they'll void your warranty <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> It's a nice minimalist car, to be sure (although not as minimalist in USDM trim). It handles superbly and is reasonably fast (for an NA 1.8) - but I never think of it as a factory race car or anything like that. And it is not. At the same price, I would have taken it over the same year 240sx, but honestly, if I lived in a country with the option, I'd take an s14 K's any day.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> What is your interpretation of "factory race car". I think the ITR was one of the best factory track cars sold in the US for its price range. Ever been to an SCCA event and noticed how many ITR's are there? Its for a reason. __________________ Mazda RX-7 FC3S: Jspec motor, ported turbo & wastegate, JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, Mazdatrix adj. rear camber link, TB mod, Koyo 53mm Radiator, Corksport Cat back/midpipe/downipe, 3" Al TID, Apex'i air cleaner, Mazda Comp. mission/motor/differential mounts, Mazdaspeed Strut Bar(R), FD torsen differential, HKS SSQV, HKS elec. boost gauge & elec water temp, Cusco Oil catch, 680cc secondary's, Walbro 255, Banzai Racing FCD, RB DTSS Eliminator bushings, Exedy Clutch & PP, Exedy chrome moly flywheel, RB oil baffle, RB dual alt. pulley, 5 lug conversion, FC3S.org thermal bypass pellet, KVR Cross drilled rotors, complete Energy PU bushings, stainless steel brake lines/clutch line, Aerodyne shroud panel, Azenis RS, and some other stuff. A hybrid of sorts I guess

03-08-2002, 03:17 PM	#13
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	LoL.... if the ITR isn't as "race ready" as it gets from the factory.... I'm not quite sure what is.... (Aside from maybe the old S13 Silvia J's Race Spec{?? I remember seeing something like this??) which I recall being a stripped S13 Silvia with an SR20DET.... &nbsp __________________

03-08-2002, 03:28 PM	#14
AmericanBornSilvia Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually, in Japan, the NSX Type-R is completely stripped (No A.C. etc IIRC.) as well as some of the other Type-R's The newest one should have a crapload of Carbonfiber parts. Blah, not that it should matter, prolly we wont ever see one here stateside. Edit: Omg I still cant believe I'm a n00b.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> __________________ "'..a mind troubled by doubt cannot focus on the course to victory..'"

03-08-2002, 04:44 PM	#15
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the usdm itr has only 195 becaues of emissions regulations.  my friend has one in yellow.  that thing books.  we hit 150 in it once.  we gtech'ed it at 174hp at the wheels with minor mods

03-08-2002, 05:16 PM	#16
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Like I said, I think the ITR is a great out of the box car - but factory race car or race ready are not terms I would apply to it.  I agree that in the US, for its price it is as much fun as you can probably buy.  But it's NOT a race car by any strech!   My first line is a true story - I know a guy who tracked his ITR, his LSD broke in the warranty period, he took it to the shop, they denied coverage, AND they called American Honda and voided his warranty nationwide <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  If you track the car (he didn't even compete, just competition schools) Honda will not cover ANY problems with the car under warranty). Is that what a company does with its race cars?  NO!  Does it meet SCCA specs out of the box?  NO!  Comparatively, does it need any less equipment to be put into competitive racing than any other car?  NO!  Is it the fastest?  NO!  Stiffest?  NO!  My point is that it is not race ready or anything else like that - or no more so than many other cars. I'm not trying to take anything away from the ITR - like I said, it is probably the most fun new car for the money in the US, BUT it is NOT A RACE CAR or race ready or anything like that.  It's just a good handling quick car.  It will still lose to many faster cars on course (given equal drivers).  And yes, I've been to one or two track events  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>   The last one I was at had 21 ITRs in a roughly 120 car field.  So?  There are still just as many Miatas and nearly as many c5's... doesn't make them factory race cars either.

03-08-2002, 05:42 PM	#17
Grant Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: 聖地牙哥 Posts: 2,647 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Grant Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would take the S15 over the type-r but you have to hand it to them.In a best motoring video I saw back in 99, the type-r put up a hell of a fight on the track against the s15. i think it held first place until the last lap, where the s15 overtook it and won. unfortunately the s14 did not beat the type-r.

03-08-2002, 06:07 PM	#18
XylathaneGTR Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Type R's? only in Japan? its a USDM Type R. Way shittier then a JDM one, Some of the main differences are small Engine Diffs, the Lights, and the Seats (those 1,800 dolla each recaros are SOOOOO sexy) that ones a 2001... I wanted a 98, Those baby's are so...perfect, for a fwd, its the best money can buy...maybe an fto gpx too... I would rather have an s15/hybrid s14 over a Type R, And if my current plan of buying a 98 240 don't work out right, im getting Type R. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> I loved type R's...altho the engine isin't that great for Turboing, its still an amazing car... __________________ Ima newbie...! yay! Hopefully getting s14 with s15 sr20...

03-08-2002, 06:29 PM	#19
Takumi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Age: 43 Posts: 836 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Integra Type R = hottest car for fools to steal Those things get stolen once ever week and there's always some dude online sharing his/her sob story about their rides getting messed with or stolen. Integra Type R is a nice car, but it's too much riceboy eye candy that owning it is asking for trouble.  damn, people just can't have nice things and nice rides these days without some haters messing with it. =/ __________________ 2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (GC6) Yes, I am a devoted Scooby driver, but I still got love for the Nissans and I always will. =)

03-08-2002, 06:38 PM	#20
Ni5mo180SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Orange County Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of A) small engine differences B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> C) the seats Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240? __________________ Mazda RX-7 FC3S: Jspec motor, ported turbo & wastegate, JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, Mazdatrix adj. rear camber link, TB mod, Koyo 53mm Radiator, Corksport Cat back/midpipe/downipe, 3" Al TID, Apex'i air cleaner, Mazda Comp. mission/motor/differential mounts, Mazdaspeed Strut Bar(R), FD torsen differential, HKS SSQV, HKS elec. boost gauge & elec water temp, Cusco Oil catch, 680cc secondary's, Walbro 255, Banzai Racing FCD, RB DTSS Eliminator bushings, Exedy Clutch & PP, Exedy chrome moly flywheel, RB oil baffle, RB dual alt. pulley, 5 lug conversion, FC3S.org thermal bypass pellet, KVR Cross drilled rotors, complete Energy PU bushings, stainless steel brake lines/clutch line, Aerodyne shroud panel, Azenis RS, and some other stuff. A hybrid of sorts I guess

03-08-2002, 06:55 PM	#21
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ Mar. 07 2002,7:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of A) small engine differences B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> C) the seats Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> no just cat. differences.  we got the more potent ones.  and yeh the only difference is front and rear bumpers (5mph unlike japan) and the seats.  no major engine changes like diff. compression.  fast car though. pulls like .88g's on verticle accelaration.  we beat an old school supra with my "superior" driving skills.

03-08-2002, 07:02 PM	#22
Ni5mo180SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Orange County Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The compression is different between US and JDM models. They have higher octane fuel in Japan so they could go with higher comp. and had to lower it when it was brought here to prevent knocking. Im also fairly sure the exhaust manifold on the ITR is different between USDM and JDM models. __________________ Mazda RX-7 FC3S: Jspec motor, ported turbo & wastegate, JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, Mazdatrix adj. rear camber link, TB mod, Koyo 53mm Radiator, Corksport Cat back/midpipe/downipe, 3" Al TID, Apex'i air cleaner, Mazda Comp. mission/motor/differential mounts, Mazdaspeed Strut Bar(R), FD torsen differential, HKS SSQV, HKS elec. boost gauge & elec water temp, Cusco Oil catch, 680cc secondary's, Walbro 255, Banzai Racing FCD, RB DTSS Eliminator bushings, Exedy Clutch & PP, Exedy chrome moly flywheel, RB oil baffle, RB dual alt. pulley, 5 lug conversion, FC3S.org thermal bypass pellet, KVR Cross drilled rotors, complete Energy PU bushings, stainless steel brake lines/clutch line, Aerodyne shroud panel, Azenis RS, and some other stuff. A hybrid of sorts I guess

03-08-2002, 07:06 PM	#23
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	whats the difference cause im pretty sure usdm has like 10.5:1 and wouldnt rasing it give a lot more hp?

03-08-2002, 07:09 PM	#24
XylathaneGTR Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ Mar. 07 2002,7:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, so you're using your one friend as an example for all ITR warrenty cases?? If one example changes everything then heres one for you. My friend blew the motor on his ITR when he misshifted and Acura had a new motor in there in about a week and a half. Big deal, its just a case by case thing. Does it meet SCCA specs? you said no, but SCCAs has many different series you can compete in, ever heard of showroom stock?? Is it the stiffest, fastest, most equipment? Thats not the point, its very well rounded in all catagories, and THATS what makes a great race car, not dominating in one area. And im just curious about this one, what car meets your strict regulations as a factory racer? Fact of the matter is the ITR is an excellent track car from the factory and im sure a majority of us here will agree on that point. And USDM is way shittier huh? Based on your points its way shittier because of A) small engine differences B) the lights (OMG&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> C) the seats Doesnt seem to really make a difference to the actual car, does it? As far as I know, the only engine diff's are the exhaust manifold, higher comp. pistons in Japan, and some ECU tweaking to meet US smog standards. If this alone makes the car shittier from the US version, I wonder how you'd describe the difference between JDM 240 and USDM 240?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> lol, sorry I got your point...what i said is riceboyish, and i take it back <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> No, the USDM Type R is NOT shittier, Cause i would kill to have either of them, seriously... Altho i want an s14 now more then ever, a sexy Type R is a close second. But yeah...sry about saying a USDM tR is shittier cause of lights, small engine diffs, and the seats, __________________ Ima newbie...! yay! Hopefully getting s14 with s15 sr20...

03-08-2002, 07:12 PM	#25
XylathaneGTR Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the USDM spec b18c5 does have 10:5:1 as i know... Pumping out 195 hp from a 1.8L is damn good...108.51 to be exact... raising it any higher would have significant strain on the engine, and cause a lot of damage to it, if not blowing it. thats why a b18c5 is not the best engine for Turbocharging, Nitros injections, or high psi supercharging amounts. the b18c1 (integra GS-R) has lower compression ratios, making it more popular for forced induction, and a popular Civic Swap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ Ima newbie...! yay! Hopefully getting s14 with s15 sr20...

03-08-2002, 07:13 PM	#26
Ni5mo180SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Orange County Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ Mar. 06 2002,9:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">whats the difference cause im pretty sure usdm has like 10.5:1 and wouldnt rasing it give a lot more hp?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Yea USDM's is 10:5 I think, but JDMs is higher. Raising it alone wont give it huge power but would give it a bit more power and make the engine seemingly more responsive. __________________ Mazda RX-7 FC3S: Jspec motor, ported turbo & wastegate, JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, Mazdatrix adj. rear camber link, TB mod, Koyo 53mm Radiator, Corksport Cat back/midpipe/downipe, 3" Al TID, Apex'i air cleaner, Mazda Comp. mission/motor/differential mounts, Mazdaspeed Strut Bar(R), FD torsen differential, HKS SSQV, HKS elec. boost gauge & elec water temp, Cusco Oil catch, 680cc secondary's, Walbro 255, Banzai Racing FCD, RB DTSS Eliminator bushings, Exedy Clutch & PP, Exedy chrome moly flywheel, RB oil baffle, RB dual alt. pulley, 5 lug conversion, FC3S.org thermal bypass pellet, KVR Cross drilled rotors, complete Energy PU bushings, stainless steel brake lines/clutch line, Aerodyne shroud panel, Azenis RS, and some other stuff. A hybrid of sorts I guess

03-08-2002, 07:16 PM	#27
Ni5mo180SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Orange County Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ha, its ok GTR, I just thought you were taking Hippos position on it and attacking the ITR for no reason. __________________ Mazda RX-7 FC3S: Jspec motor, ported turbo & wastegate, JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, Mazdatrix adj. rear camber link, TB mod, Koyo 53mm Radiator, Corksport Cat back/midpipe/downipe, 3" Al TID, Apex'i air cleaner, Mazda Comp. mission/motor/differential mounts, Mazdaspeed Strut Bar(R), FD torsen differential, HKS SSQV, HKS elec. boost gauge & elec water temp, Cusco Oil catch, 680cc secondary's, Walbro 255, Banzai Racing FCD, RB DTSS Eliminator bushings, Exedy Clutch & PP, Exedy chrome moly flywheel, RB oil baffle, RB dual alt. pulley, 5 lug conversion, FC3S.org thermal bypass pellet, KVR Cross drilled rotors, complete Energy PU bushings, stainless steel brake lines/clutch line, Aerodyne shroud panel, Azenis RS, and some other stuff. A hybrid of sorts I guess

03-08-2002, 07:22 PM	#28
jdm togue Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 68 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It is a USDM Type R <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> __________________ [img]C:\My Documents\My Pictures\poorplan.jpg[/img] Damn baby, I swear this is where I live

03-08-2002, 07:28 PM	#29
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 38 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XylathaneGTR @ Mar. 07 2002,8:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the USDM spec b18c5 does have 10:5:1 as i know... Pumping out 195 hp from a 1.8L is damn good...108.51 to be exact... raising it any higher would have significant strain on the engine, and cause a lot of damage to it, if not blowing it. thats why a b18c5 is not the best engine for Turbocharging, Nitros injections, or high psi supercharging amounts. the b18c1 (integra GS-R) has lower compression ratios, making it more popular for forced induction, and a popular Civic Swap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> yeh you deff. gotta get new pistons but the good thing is that since theyre factory forged you can boost like 10psi max on stock internals.  my friend with the itr got a turbo kit and hes gonna boost 8 on stock internals.  even the gsr has high compression 10.0:1 i think is the number or it could be 9.8:1 not quite sure now

03-08-2002, 11:26 PM	#30
XylathaneGTR Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	attacking type R for no reason? DUDE I LOVE TYPE R's... Every time i see one...shit its orgasmic... Once, i saw one with the nicest lowering ever...it was a sunny day, i was in parents Lexus, getting a ride down to my friends house, and i see it comming down a hill...A white one, 99 (500 99's were released in CANADA only...ahhahaha) it had some massive interior work done, u could hear it from across the street in my parents car... i literally told my dad, who was driving, to pull over so i could gock at the car... Unfourtnatly, type R's are way to expensive... 28k Canadian for a 98 with 15k kilometers on it? damn...that's a lot yo...and think of the insurance. The GSR does have some high compression too, but it can handle induction better then a b18c5 can...b18c5 is best run Naturally Asperated, altho it can take mods like Turbo and Nitroz, its not meant for it. heh, the other day...i saw this like, Old civic hatchback, not the newer ones, the OLD kind, whats on it? 'CIVIC TYPE R.' so sad...hehe But seriously tho...I wuv type R's with all my heart...i wuv a silvia more...but damn, Type Rs are still amazing. __________________ Ima newbie...! yay! Hopefully getting s14 with s15 sr20...