tire question

[studio]

hellow,

i was wondering i see alot of people pull 215-40 tires on 9's and 235-40 on 10's. im wondering if u could dew the same with a 35 series tire is it too pulled do i need to go 225-35 on 9's 245-35 on 10's

thanx

[thejester03]

Wow, why 35s? Also, 17s, 18,s or what?

[KA24DESOneThree]

No, you cannot "dew" the same. In fact, what you need to "dew" is run tires that FIT.

215s are not big enough for a 240 that sees track use. Maybe if it sees some weak drifting use, yes, but for track or hard street driving you need more tire. Even 225 isn't big enough up front.

The reason you see so many people with tires stretched like that is emulation. They see it on Japanese cars, then emulate it. In reality, all you're doing is running a smaller contact patch with an artificially stiffer sidewall.

You also need to invest in a dictionary or something. Misspelling words the way you do isn't anywhere near cute, it's annoying as hell.

[North240]

ESL maybe? And KA24DESoneThree is right you need more meat on those tires there is no need to stretch at all. Maybe for track wheels but not street use. Now i am just waiting for Dousan to come tell me i'm wrong.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by North240

Maybe for track wheels but not street use.

Especially not for track wheels.

[s14slide]

whatever ya'lls. I, along with most everyone I know who drifts stretches their tires. I do it mostly for feel. Yes, it may be an "artificially" stiff sidewall, but it's stiffer none the less. Less slop. I run 9Jx17 all around. I run 235/40x17, just enough stretch. I've tried tires from 255 down to 215's. If he's still running a stock KA, I would say go ahead and stretch 'em, especially if they're meant to be burners. It'll be easier to keep 'em going. Plus, 215's are a lot cheaper.

And KA24DESOneThree, maybe there's a reason people emulate the "JDM" drifter and what they do, maybe something along the lines of they have been doing this for more than a decade more than we (Americans) have. Get off your pedestal. All the D1 cars stretch tires, so just because they're JDM we shouldn't take that as something to learn from.? That's what seems to be implied, if not said flat out.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by s14slide

And KA24DESOneThree, maybe there's a reason people emulate the "JDM" drifter and what they do, maybe something along the lines of they have been doing this for more than a decade more than we (Americans) have. Get off your pedestal. All the D1 cars stretch tires, so just because they're JDM we shouldn't take that as something to learn from.? That's what seems to be implied, if not said flat out.

Every single person who I've talked to this about has brought up that point.

I counter with: look at SCCA racing. Show me a single autocross car that wins with stretched tires. Show me a single GT team that runs stretched tires. There aren't any, because grip is king.

Drifters run crap sizes because drifting doesn't require as much grip as all-out tracking. Argue all you want, but it's the truth. Why do you think you can get by with like 225s and more than three degrees of negative camber?

You want more feel? Run more solid bushings and spherical bearings.

[genetic]

hey i say if you want to go 35 series i say do it. nothing is impossible? haha

[studio]

i am sorry about my spelling is not as good as yours KA24DESOneThree. thank you genetic thats right kid's nothing is imposable.

[s14slide]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Every single person who I've talked to this about has brought up that point.

I counter with: look at SCCA racing. Show me a single autocross car that wins with stretched tires. Show me a single GT team that runs stretched tires. There aren't any, because grip is king.

Drifters run crap sizes because drifting doesn't require as much grip as all-out tracking. Argue all you want, but it's the truth. Why do you think you can get by with like 225s and more than three degrees of negative camber?

You want more feel? Run more solid bushings and spherical bearings.

Alright champ, I'm already a step ahead of you. I have just about everything here:
arms and braces

That pic doesn't include STB, tierods + ends, cage (5 pt), subframe spacers, 2way, and a little chassis welding. So don't talk to me about what I should and shouldn't get.

Next, drifters require lots of grip, that's a big misconception for many. The better and faster you get, the more grip you need. Your comparing oranges and apples son. I never once mentioned, nor did the original author mention anything about racing vs drifting. I just threw out my original post as an example and a word of advice from someone who may be a little more experienced than said person, if he might be looking at this from a drifting standpoint. It was asked if it could be done, I said go for it and gave some info to back up my statement.

[Omega47]

[North240]

Originally Posted by s14slide

Next, drifters require lots of grip, that's a big misconception for many. The better and faster you get, the more grip you need.

I agree with this but stretching tires is not a way to achieve "more grip" You have less grip when you do this.

[wootwoot]

Going lower than 225/45 or 245/50 on a 17'' wheel is not a good thing. Stick with those sizes. 245 is good for 7.5-9'' and 225 is good for 6.5-8. So if you run these its going to be at the very edge of what is considered acceptable by the manufacturer. Running a lower profile than that is just asking for bent rims and will compromise some of your suspension. Yeah you could run a 225/40 or 245/45, but whoever puts your tires on is going to hate you too. It isnt that extreme, but tip him.

[nlzmo400r]

Stretched tires are easier to slide on, given the same compound of course. Ive never been much for drifting, and when I do, I just through the stockies out back and run my usual front 255/40 azenis. My track/street set-up is 17x8.5 all around with a 255/40/17 falken azenis rt615 and there isnt any stretch nor bulge, and it provides amazing grip

[OptionZero]

yo, have you compared the RT-615 in 255 to other tires in 255?
I ask because the RT-215 in seems generally wider in the same advertised width than those of other manufacturers, i.e. put a 205 RT-215 next to a 205, say ES100, and the RT-215 will seem wider...

did this carry over to the new Azenis Sports? falken underrates their widths, or just has a different measurement system

[nlzmo400r]

Originally Posted by OptionZero

yo, have you compared the RT-615 in 255 to other tires in 255?
I ask because the RT-215 in seems generally wider in the same advertised width than those of other manufacturers, i.e. put a 205 RT-215 next to a 205, say ES100, and the RT-215 will seem wider...

did this carry over to the new Azenis Sports? falken underrates their widths, or just has a different measurement system

Yes I have compared them, I used to run es100's actually. My 245es100's were the exact same width as my 245/azenis sports (rt215s). I do know that the azenis run a bit big, however so do the es100's (they're very square shouldered as well). However my 255 rt615s are a tad wider than my friends 255 pirelli's and also his 255 khumo supra 712. So yes, azenis are a little bigger than normal, but so are es100's

[theicecreamdan]

on the track you want grip, and you want light weight

wider rims = heavy
OVERLY stretched tires = less grip

215 is WEAK but if you want to run that size then dont get a 9" wide rim,

[SochBAT]

I'd say, try it yourself, be your own judge. You don't have to consult with anyone for something based on preference.

[OptionZero]

i kno someone put their Azenis next to Bridgestone KD's or Kumho Mx's (forgot), and there was noticeably difference.