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SilviaDriver · 11-15-2002, 01:46 AM

im wondering, before i buy the short shifter in the group buy that

when u get a short shifter, which one would it be in the pic? the red or the blue?

the red:
the shift up and down is shorter, but the distance between gears in neutral is the same as stock

the blue:
the shift up and down is short like the red, BUT the distance between gear in neutral is SHORT also.

my bro says its the red one, but could be diff for cars. so wondering if anybody has B&M, which one would it be?

hope ya'll understand wat im tryin to say

mods move this where ever it fits

Thurazor · 11-15-2002, 01:54 AM

I think it's the red one also.

uiuc240 · 11-15-2002, 08:28 AM

Actually, the B&M is more like the blue part, yet the throws are even shorter.  An OBX is more like the red (I've owned both).

In fact, the side-to-side motion *does* change, it's just a relatively small difference in comparison to the back-and-forth motion.  Just remember this:

*****You're changing the fulcrum point of a lever.  All motion - in 3 dimensions - will be changed the same amount.  It's a percentage thing*****

Eric

Foxcolt · 11-15-2002, 09:14 AM

So the B&M has even shorter throws than the pilot/obx one??

If so say goodbye to my shortshifter hello B&M <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

uiuc240 · 11-15-2002, 09:36 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Foxcolt @ Nov. 15 2002,10:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the B&M has even shorter throws than the pilot/obx one??

If so say goodbye to my shortshifter hello B&M <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ummm, yeah.  By a freaking LOT.  The B&M is the king shit of shifters for the 240.  Buy one.  But don't come crying to me about the fact that it makes a swirling noise all the time.  It's just the sound of the gears meshing together.  The vibration comes right up the shifter shaft and finally buzzes out through your shift knob.  Don't complain.  It's worth the noise for all that precision.  

Only caveat:

Install is a BIATCH with the tranny in the car.  Took me 3 freaking hours! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

Eric

*sykikchimp* · 11-15-2002, 09:54 AM

All short shifters for our cars will be like the blue part.

reason being is the fulcrum point on the shifter is moved so that you have less leverage. the amount of material past the fulcrum is lengthened, so all directions of movement are reduced the same percentage. you may not understand what I'm talking about till you get in there, and start tearing things apart.

edit - doh.. I completely missed erics post..

Foxcolt · 11-15-2002, 10:01 AM

How was the install so hard? I remember my pilot short shifter was the first thing I ever did to my car. Pretty straight forward. I figured since the B&M comes in one piece as opposed to the half moon crap the pilot one has it would be easier to install.

uiuc240 · 11-15-2002, 10:18 AM

Ya know how the OBX/Pilot basically just adapts to the current shifter housing?  Well, the B&M replaces EVERYTHING.  You get a whole new 6-bolt top piece.  So you have to take off the old one, and put in the new one.  The main problem are the two bolts that are wayyyyy up under the tranny tunnel.  I guess if you have really long fingers it might be easy.   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>   Seriously, though...just be patient and it'll go together.  If I did it again, it would take less time (since I F'd up the RTV the first time by not letting it cure long enough...oh, and I forgot to fill the damn tranny  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> )

Eric

Foxcolt · 11-15-2002, 10:20 AM

oh wow. I didn't know it was like that!?!? That probably explains why the damn thing is so expensive <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Thanks for the info Eric
Jed

uiuc240 · 11-15-2002, 10:23 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Foxcolt @ Nov. 15 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh wow. I didn't know it was like that!?!? That probably explains why the damn thing is so expensive <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Thanks for the info Eric
Jed</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
w0rd  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'>

E

SilviaDriver · 11-15-2002, 04:04 PM

shit thanks a lot guys for your help

props to Uiuc240 and sykikchimp

jyt747 · 11-15-2002, 04:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Nov. 14 2002,12:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The main problem are the two bolts that are wayyyyy up under the tranny tunnel.  I guess if you have really long fingers it might be easy.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
An easier way of getting the two top bolts without getting underneath the car is to use a drummel(sp?) to cut 2 holes up at the top and just use a deep socket wrench to get at them.

Just put some dynamat over it after you're done.

it's a hell of a lot easier for me

uiuc240 · 11-15-2002, 07:09 PM

true.  but i was in the middle of a parking lot with no access to electricity.  crawling under the car and cursing at the situation was what worked best for me  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Eric

Apparition · 11-16-2002, 08:11 AM

Eric, so the B&M shifter rattles like a mofo all the time? I don't mind the swirling gears sound, but a rattle would be annoying. What is the amount of rattle?

My old mazda had so much rattle, I had to usually hold it while driving so it'd stay quiet.

CoasTek240 · 11-16-2002, 11:15 AM

...uhhh <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>

uiuc240 · 11-16-2002, 01:01 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apparition @ Nov. 16 2002,09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eric, so the B&M shifter rattles like a mofo all the time? I don't mind the swirling gears sound, but a rattle would be annoying. What is the amount of rattle?

My old mazda had so much rattle, I had to usually hold it while driving so it'd stay quiet.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The only time there is a "rattle" is when I get past 7000 rpm and the shift knob starts to resonate (remember physics?).  Anyway, beyond that, it's just a bit of a whirling sound...hard to describe.  If you have the windows open, or the radio on, you really can't hear it.  But if you're in the car with the radio off and the windows up, you girl might ask you "what's that sound?"  But that's about it.

Get one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

Eric

SilviaDriver · 11-16-2002, 04:59 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Nov. 16 2002,12:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if you're in the car with the radio off and the windows up, you girl might ask you "what's that sound?"

Get one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
HAHAHAHAHHA <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> i dunno y i thought that was fucken funny, but it is! hahahha

yea my shfit knob isnt secured down so it rattles and my gf always ask me wats that noise! haha

anyways..does short shifts reduce 1/4 times? well i found out all of our gears are shorted [blue one] but does it shorten 1/4 times? my bro posted it up on his integra forum and theyall say it wont by itself witha light flywheel mayb so will it?

uiuc240 · 11-16-2002, 06:55 PM

well, it will make your shifts take less time, so you may be able to get down the 1320' a bit quicker.  i have no proof of this, though.

Eric

11-15-2002, 01:54 AM	#2
Thurazor Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rockland, ME Age: 42 Posts: 181 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think it's the red one also. __________________ - Jared Edwards 3S Hybrid [img]too.big.jpg[/img] "Mandies, sandies, peppermint candies, we do it right and we drink a lot of antifreeze." - Group X

11-15-2002, 08:28 AM	#3
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually, the B&M is more like the blue part, yet the throws are even shorter.  An OBX is more like the red (I've owned both). In fact, the side-to-side motion does change, it's just a relatively small difference in comparison to the back-and-forth motion.  Just remember this: ***You're changing the fulcrum point of a lever.  All motion - in 3 dimensions - will be changed the same amount.  It's a percentage thing*** Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-15-2002, 09:14 AM	#4
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So the B&M has even shorter throws than the pilot/obx one?? If so say goodbye to my shortshifter hello B&M <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

11-15-2002, 09:36 AM	#5
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Foxcolt @ Nov. 15 2002,10:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the B&M has even shorter throws than the pilot/obx one?? If so say goodbye to my shortshifter hello B&M <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Ummm, yeah.  By a freaking LOT.  The B&M is the king shit of shifters for the 240.  Buy one.  But don't come crying to me about the fact that it makes a swirling noise all the time.  It's just the sound of the gears meshing together.  The vibration comes right up the shifter shaft and finally buzzes out through your shift knob.  Don't complain.  It's worth the noise for all that precision.   Only caveat: Install is a BIATCH with the tranny in the car.  Took me 3 freaking hours! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-15-2002, 09:54 AM	#6
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All short shifters for our cars will be like the blue part. reason being is the fulcrum point on the shifter is moved so that you have less leverage. the amount of material past the fulcrum is lengthened, so all directions of movement are reduced the same percentage. you may not understand what I'm talking about till you get in there, and start tearing things apart. edit - doh.. I completely missed erics post.. __________________

11-15-2002, 01:46 AM	#1
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	im wondering, before i buy the short shifter in the group buy that when u get a short shifter, which one would it be in the pic? the red or the blue? the red: the shift up and down is shorter, but the distance between gears in neutral is the same as stock the blue: the shift up and down is short like the red, BUT the distance between gear in neutral is SHORT also. my bro says its the red one, but could be diff for cars. so wondering if anybody has B&M, which one would it be? hope ya'll understand wat im tryin to say mods move this where ever it fits

11-15-2002, 10:01 AM	#7
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How was the install so hard? I remember my pilot short shifter was the first thing I ever did to my car. Pretty straight forward. I figured since the B&M comes in one piece as opposed to the half moon crap the pilot one has it would be easier to install. __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

11-15-2002, 10:18 AM	#8
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ya know how the OBX/Pilot basically just adapts to the current shifter housing?  Well, the B&M replaces EVERYTHING.  You get a whole new 6-bolt top piece.  So you have to take off the old one, and put in the new one.  The main problem are the two bolts that are wayyyyy up under the tranny tunnel.  I guess if you have really long fingers it might be easy.   <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>   Seriously, though...just be patient and it'll go together.  If I did it again, it would take less time (since I F'd up the RTV the first time by not letting it cure long enough...oh, and I forgot to fill the damn tranny  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> ) Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-15-2002, 10:20 AM	#9
Foxcolt Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,264 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh wow. I didn't know it was like that!?!? That probably explains why the damn thing is so expensive <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> Thanks for the info Eric Jed __________________ Driftec www.midatlantic240sx.com

11-15-2002, 10:23 AM	#10
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Foxcolt @ Nov. 15 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh wow. I didn't know it was like that!?!? That probably explains why the damn thing is so expensive <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> Thanks for the info Eric Jed</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> w0rd  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/turn.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':turn:'> E __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-15-2002, 04:04 PM	#11
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	shit thanks a lot guys for your help props to Uiuc240 and sykikchimp

11-15-2002, 04:52 PM	#12
jyt747 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 305 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Nov. 14 2002,12:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The main problem are the two bolts that are wayyyyy up under the tranny tunnel.  I guess if you have really long fingers it might be easy.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> An easier way of getting the two top bolts without getting underneath the car is to use a drummel(sp?) to cut 2 holes up at the top and just use a deep socket wrench to get at them. Just put some dynamat over it after you're done. it's a hell of a lot easier for me __________________ '96 5 spd SE; K&N intake, apexi coilovers, apexi c/f fstb, clutchmaster stage 1 w/ lightened flywheel, b&m ss, 5zigen fireball, jacobs ice pak. (NOW TOTALLED, RIP)

11-15-2002, 07:09 PM	#13
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	true.  but i was in the middle of a parking lot with no access to electricity.  crawling under the car and cursing at the situation was what worked best for me  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-16-2002, 08:11 AM	#14
Apparition Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 439 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Eric, so the B&M shifter rattles like a mofo all the time? I don't mind the swirling gears sound, but a rattle would be annoying. What is the amount of rattle? My old mazda had so much rattle, I had to usually hold it while driving so it'd stay quiet. __________________ 1990 240sx coupe sold

11-16-2002, 11:15 AM	#15
CoasTek240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,034 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	...uhhh <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>

11-16-2002, 01:01 PM	#16
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apparition @ Nov. 16 2002,09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eric, so the B&M shifter rattles like a mofo all the time? I don't mind the swirling gears sound, but a rattle would be annoying. What is the amount of rattle? My old mazda had so much rattle, I had to usually hold it while driving so it'd stay quiet.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> The only time there is a "rattle" is when I get past 7000 rpm and the shift knob starts to resonate (remember physics?).  Anyway, beyond that, it's just a bit of a whirling sound...hard to describe.  If you have the windows open, or the radio on, you really can't hear it.  But if you're in the car with the radio off and the windows up, you girl might ask you "what's that sound?"  But that's about it. Get one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

11-16-2002, 04:59 PM	#17
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 40 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Nov. 16 2002,12:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But if you're in the car with the radio off and the windows up, you girl might ask you "what's that sound?" Get one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> HAHAHAHAHHA <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> i dunno y i thought that was fucken funny, but it is! hahahha yea my shfit knob isnt secured down so it rattles and my gf always ask me wats that noise! haha anyways..does short shifts reduce 1/4 times? well i found out all of our gears are shorted [blue one] but does it shorten 1/4 times? my bro posted it up on his integra forum and theyall say it wont by itself witha light flywheel mayb so will it?

11-16-2002, 06:55 PM	#18
uiuc240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Age: 46 Posts: 2,093 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well, it will make your shifts take less time, so you may be able to get down the 1320' a bit quicker.  i have no proof of this, though. Eric __________________ 2002 Mazda Protege5 1989 S13 w/SR20DET (sold)

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