The 2020 Presidential Race

[Future240]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Everytime you post it makes me wanna punch u in the face more and more. U have single handedly ruined this thread.

Shut the fuck up with the coward talk. You dont like this country, get the fuck out. We dont need u nor want u.

Disagree all you like, but this will not be tolerated.

30 days.

[exitspeed]

Remember folks, homosexuality is a crime in Iran punishable by death.

https://www.dw.com/en/iran-defends-e...ple/a-49144899

Meanwhile Trump is fighting criminalization of homosexuality around the globe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...uality-n973081

Sorry but the Left is on the wrong side of this. Period.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Remember folks, homosexuality is a crime in Iran punishable by death.



https://www.dw.com/en/iran-defends-e...ple/a-49144899



Meanwhile Trump is fighting criminalization of homosexuality around the globe.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...uality-n973081



Sorry but the Left is on the wrong side of this. Period.

What are you and Islamophob?!! Racccccsssiiit!, how dare you Judge someone else's religion and culture just because it's not your colonizing white male christian capitalist lie!!!






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[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/7bMYR9l2os0

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[exitspeed]

Exactly. “A claim I’d take more seriously if this wasn’t the 5th WW3 we were supposed to have in the last 4 years.”.

I’ve said it over and over this is the problem with the left. Everything is the end of the world.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Exactly. “A claim I’d take more seriously if this wasn’t the 5th WW3 we were supposed to have in the last 4 years.”.

I’ve said it over and over this is the problem with the left. Everything is the end of the world.

Climate Change, literally worse then Hitler. World will end in 5 years.

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[feito]

I would enlist, but i died during the nuclear war with north korea

[exitspeed]

These dumb fucking savages can’t even mourn like civilized human beings. 32 people dead in a stampede.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/w...rump-iran.html

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

These dumb fucking savages can’t even mourn like civilized human beings. 32 people dead in a stampede.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/w...rump-iran.html

Since all the news is coming from the Iranian State, makes you wonder about the accuracy.

Was the "Stampede" maybe a protest/riot against existing Government policy that resulted in a brutal crack down?

Were the dead really killed in a "stampede", or maybe they are political dissidents and this a convenient way to write off their passing.

Remember, this is a country that openly executes homosexuals via construction cranes and rapes female prisoners before execution. After all, it would be a sin to execute a virgin...





But hey, let's twist facts to defend Iran because Trump is literally worse then Hitler.

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[Future240]

Originally Posted by feito

I would enlist, but i died during the nuclear war with north korea

How could you die in the North Korean war when you died from the tax cuts?

[TheRealSy90]

But you know, the military leader dude is more important than those 32.

[exitspeed]

Update, it’s 40 plus now.

[Corbic]

Oh Iran, the fuck you doing...

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[exitspeed]

Again to Ralliarts point:



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[Corbic]

Up to 60+ dead from "stampede"

I'm guessing internal strife is what is driving Iran's recent bad behavior. Anything to distract the pissed off peasants from the oppression and economic collapse...



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[exitspeed]

Trump posted a nice clip of the of the Dems talking a out the “urgency” of impeachment.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7FULZAh...=1bi765qla4hq8

Fucking. Lies.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

These dumb fucking savages

This is part of the problem.

They aren't savages, not any more so than the "dumb fucking savages" who trample each other for Black Friday deals.

They're people. They're people with a different culture than us.

Our government hates their government, and vice versa. I don't hate anyone in Iran. I don't want any Iranian non-combatant to die, and frankly I don't really want any combatants to die either.

We don't understand each other. Our government has been doing "our bidding" spreading fucking imperialism to areas it doesn't even begin to understand. To areas that aren't compatible with what we believe, to areas that don't understand capitalism, that don't understand secularism. To areas that are almost as blindly nationalistic as we are.

We're like Pinocchio during a lap dance, always sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

[exitspeed]

The REST of the world doesn’t behave like that.

And so if I’m to accept that these people aren’t acting like savages (by definition. I personally think they’re dumb) should I them hanging gay people or jailing women?

Should I accept pedophiles because some people sick fucks out there find a way to justify it?

It’s unacceptable behavior.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

This is part of the problem.



They aren't savages, not any more so than the "dumb fucking savages" who trample each other for Black Friday deals.

How many people got trampled this Black Friday? Thousands must have died when Kennedy was buried....

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

They're people. They're people with a different culture than us.



Our government hates their government, and vice versa. I don't hate anyone in Iran. I don't want any Iranian non-combatant to die, and frankly I don't really want any combatants to die either.



We don't understand each other.

This is where you are horribly wrong. Our cultural, moral and religious values make us incompatible.

How can you say "life is precious people deserve understanding, compassion and freedom" and say that's compatible with "homosexuals should be hanged publicly and girls raped before they are stoned to death for being accused of adultery".

Iranians have had two generations of cultural brainwashing that isn't about to go away anytime soon. They do not like you personally on any level. This is why when peace loving hippies bike across the world to show love, they get murdered by random locals.

This why when given the chance for a free democracy, places like Libya, Egypt, Syria and Palestine elect draconian quasi terrorists into power who are more impressive than the secular dictators previously ousted.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Our government has been doing "our bidding" spreading fucking imperialism to areas it doesn't even begin to understand. To areas that aren't compatible with what we believe, to areas that don't understand capitalism, that don't understand secularism.

So... Your cool with raping young girls and murdering homosexuals... As long as it's NIMBY?

What Imperialism? Have we strip mined Afghanistan and stolen all the oil from Iraq? You do realize we export oil, correct? You do realize not a single American company received any contract to support oil extraction in Iraq.. Right?

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

To areas that are almost as blindly nationalistic as we are.

Yes, because we have tens of thousands of people in the streets burning Iranian flags screaming "Death to Islam".

We are quite the opposite with half the country trying to over turn the 2016 Election and the other half panicking they are getting drafted into WW3.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

We're like Pinocchio during a lap dance, always sticking our nose where it doesn't belong.

Quite the opposite in this case. Iran's nose does not belong in fucking Iraq or Syria and they certainly should open a fucking history book.

Antagonizing the United States is a losers game. It takes very little provocation to pull us into a war. No mater the outcome, Iran loses. They lack the money, industrial, financial and human resources.

So when the US blows up some of the goat fucking child killers you gave weapons too... Just STFU about it. Orchestrating an Embassy siege is a bad move.

When's the last time Americans stormed a foreign Embassy and killed the people working there??? Hmmmm






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[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The REST of the world doesn’t behave like that.

And so if I’m to accept that these people aren’t acting like savages (by definition. I personally think they’re dumb) should I them hanging gay people or jailing women?

Should I accept pedophiles because some people sick fucks out there find a way to justify it?

It’s unacceptable behavior.

Exactly. Ironically it's the "world without boarders" globalist that can't seem to fucking grasp this.

You want to evolve to a single government one world... Then the majority of the world needs to fucking evolve out of the societal stone age.

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[Corbic]

One thing floating which logically makes sense...

And tapatalk wants me to pay to post the picture, fuck that...

But essentially Iran lost control of their General as he became to powerful and influential. He'd basically gone rouge and was escalating tensions across the Middle East.

Iran gave the US the go ahead to blast his ass and Trump was aware of their planned missile strike. Everything else had been theater.

Both sides got what they wanted, got to save face and now things will return to normal.

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[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

One thing floating which logically makes sense...

And tapatalk wants me to pay to post the picture, fuck that...

But essentially Iran lost control of their General as he became to powerful and influential. He'd basically gone rouge and was escalating tensions across the Middle East.

Iran gave the US the go ahead to blast his ass and Trump was aware of their planned missile strike. Everything else had been theater.

Both sides got what they wanted, got to save face and now things will return to normal.

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Can you point to your sources of this information?? Not being fasciculus, I truly want to know if this was indeed the case.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Can you point to your sources of this information?? Not being fasciculus, I truly want to know if this was indeed the case.

No source, just internet rumors floating around on various forums.

If all the noise goes away and nothing happens it could be very true, we'll have to see.

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[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The REST of the world doesn’t behave like that.

And so if I’m to accept that these people aren’t acting like savages (by definition. I personally think they’re dumb) should I them hanging gay people or jailing women?

Should I accept pedophiles because some people sick fucks out there find a way to justify it?

It’s unacceptable behavior.

The REST of the world behaves how it damn well pleases. Hell, Americans killed more than 16,000 people last year. Americans raped more than 127k people last year on record, and we all know that to be just a fraction of the actual rapes.

Okay, it's unacceptable; I never made any argument one way or another. Our government doesn't roll out every time someone's behavior is unacceptable. That's not our purpose. You may think it is, but it's not.

Hate their behavior? Preach. Try to change it. But my tax dollars shouldn't be used because you're riding around on a high horse. I don't want a single penny of my tax dollars used anywhere other than inside our borders.

Corbic, dude, I don't know what to say to you. My gray matter doesn't compute your gray matter's post. Your argumentation style is "no u."

By the way, the US raided the Iranian Consulate General in Erbil in 2007, which was a violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Unlike this attack, we removed and took prisoner multiple Iranians. Oh, whoops.

It's telling that you take rumor as truth. Multiple US lawmakers came out of Trump's last military briefing angry- including multiple Republicans. Now I'll wait for you to say something about them being Republican in Name Only and then bring up some more conservative Facebook memes that, for all you know, were originally authored by a Russian, Israeli or Chinese misinformation operative. That hook was awful shiny, though.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The REST of the world behaves how it damn well pleases. Hell, Americans killed more than 16,000 people last year. Americans raped more than 127k people last year on record, and we all know that to be just a fraction of the actual rapes.

And what? We actively pursue and prosecute those people. We don't call them heros and Martyrs.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Okay, it's unacceptable; I never made any argument one way or another. Our government doesn't roll out every time someone's behavior is unacceptable. That's not our purpose. You may think it is, but it's not.

No, but you'd be the first to cry if Soli blew up a US Airplane or building.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

By the way, the US raided the Iranian Consulate General in Erbil in 2007, which was a violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Unlike this attack, we removed and took prisoner multiple Iranians. Oh, whoops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/w...st/25iraq.html

Oops, maybe post the actual story.

We raided their office in Iraq, not the US and it was in 2006(there is no Iranian bassy in the US).

The office was raided by government agents because Iran was running terror operations out of the Consular. Here we are 14 years later and Iran is still running terror operations across the Middle East.

That is a far cry from American civilians getting mad about something, (like Russia says something offensive) and storming the Russian Embassy in Washington DC and killing a few people in the process. That situation is a regular occurrence in Africa and the Middle East however.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

It's telling that you take rumor as truth. Multiple US lawmakers came out of Trump's last military briefing angry- including multiple Republicans. Now I'll wait for you to say something about them being Republican in Name Only and then bring up some more conservative Facebook memes that, for all you know, were originally authored by a Russian, Israeli or Chinese misinformation operative. That hook was awful shiny, though.

Again, more half truths.

What are these "Republican lawmakers" "angry" about?

Are they angry they didn't get invited to the bomb Soli party?

Are they "angry" Trump started WW3?

Maybe they are "angry" Trump didn't start WW3....

You do release the US Military and Intelligence community are the ones that brought the intel and operation to Trump.

It's not like he sent a memo out "Yo, can we like kill an Iranian or some shit? I'm bored AF"



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[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The REST of the world behaves how it damn well pleases. Hell, Americans killed more than 16,000 people last year. Americans raped more than 127k people last year on record, and we all know that to be just a fraction of the actual rapes.

Okay, it's unacceptable; I never made any argument one way or another. Our government doesn't roll out every time someone's behavior is unacceptable. That's not our purpose. You may think it is, but it's not.

Hate their behavior? Preach. Try to change it. But my tax dollars shouldn't be used because you're riding around on a high horse. I don't want a single penny of my tax dollars used anywhere other than inside our borders.

Corbic, dude, I don't know what to say to you. My gray matter doesn't compute your gray matter's post. Your argumentation style is "no u."

By the way, the US raided the Iranian Consulate General in Erbil in 2007, which was a violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Unlike this attack, we removed and took prisoner multiple Iranians. Oh, whoops.

It's telling that you take rumor as truth. Multiple US lawmakers came out of Trump's last military briefing angry- including multiple Republicans. Now I'll wait for you to say something about them being Republican in Name Only and then bring up some more conservative Facebook memes that, for all you know, were originally authored by a Russian, Israeli or Chinese misinformation operative. That hook was awful shiny, though.

Got it.

And just for the record you’re cool with other countries hanging gays and women being have class citizens.

Solid stance.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Got it.

And just for the record you’re cool with other countries hanging gays and women being have class citizens.

Solid stance.

"I never made any argument one way or another."

So now I will. No, I'm not cool with it AT ALL, but it's not our government's problem.

We, as individual Americans or as an NGO, can try to step in to change it. We can shed light on it, boycott their products, highlight it on social media, bring it to the world's attention, but it is not our government's problem. At no point in the founding documents of this nation "we must interfere with all wrongdoing everywhere."

If it was, you think they would have labeled black people as more than 3/5ths a person. If it was, you think we wouldn't have killed so many indigenous people. You'd think we would have entered into fair contracts. You'd think we wouldn't have poisoned alcohol, given unwitting people syphilis, illicitly made women infertile, or made electro-shock therapy a thing.

What about the Chinese treatment of Uyghurs? Millions detained, thousands treated inhumanely.

Brazilian indigenous leaders gunned down by loggers and farming cartels.

Mexicans beheaded and melted in lye so Americans can deviate their septums.

Indians gang-raping women and then being extrajudicially murdered by police.

How about our allies in Iraq and Afghanistan? Millions of dollars funded to conservative Muslims in exchange for safe passage or suppression of anti-American sentiment, all while the local warlords get rich and keep women as uneducated second-class citizens due to their imam's interpretation of the Koran. Billions of dollars flooded through poor countries, increasing corruption and making actual, effective governance nearly impossible. See this: https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/LessonsLea...R-16-58-LL.pdf

Tens of billions of US dollars spent on anti-drug efforts in Afghanistan and opium production is at literally an all-time high.

CIA-led coups, failed coups, and support of brutal dictatorships and rebel groups because they were aligned with our politics or business relationships in the region.

A series of fucking wars over bananas.

Installing a Shah in Iran who didn't have the slightest idea what he was doing, surrounded himself with yes-men who were equally inept and didn't pay attention to the rule of law in his country.

Installing a Shah in Iran who failed to notice the rising tide of conservative, theocratic anti-interventionism rippling through mosques in his country and the Middle East.

Arming and training conservative Muslims to fight invaders in Afghanistan without thinking of the potential ramifications of creating an entire class of religious warriors during a period of Westernization and capitalism.

Corbic, you're right. It wasn't an embassy, and it wasn't a full consulate. Here's a link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._r...ffice_in_Erbil

We raided a consular office and deprived five people of freedom, two for 305 days and three for up to two years (source needed). We missed the intended targets.

This isn't physics. Every action doesn't have an equal reaction. A small mistake by America (or Russia, or Britain, or Belgium, or France, or Spain, or Japan) can lead to a cascade of decisions, fate, and outside influence that creates a monster.

The world is fucked. Shit's ridiculous. But adventurers can still drive down to Ushuaia from Tuktoyaktuk, from Norway to South Africa, from Glasgow to Mongolia. The world is big, and it can be dangerous, but the vast majority of its people are kind. To consider entire countries as our enemy is ignorant and, frankly, stupid as hell.

[exitspeed]

You have waaaaaay more spare time on your hands than I do my friend.

Look, I’m not saying we should be doing anything over there, but I’m not a military intelligence strategist either. I’ll be the first to admit I don’t follow what goes on over there as other people. Frankly, I don’t give a shit. However, given the fact that I’m not privy to the intricacies of the conflicts over there I will leave that up to the people that are. Trump isn’t acting alone on this, he’s going off of what he’s told and it sounds as though there were more embassy attacks planned.

Here’s another take I have...if we said fuck it and left the middle east alone they would still hate us and want to do harm to our allies. That ship has sailed. So what’s the solution? Do we just keep letting them kill our soldiers over there and never respond? No, that would only embolden them.

I don’t have a solution, nor do I pretend to. But I do think we need to respond accordingly.

What pisses me off about Hollywood and the Left here is they claim they care about human rights (lgbtq, minorities, women, etc) yet they are all coming forward and SUPPORTING a culture of people that LITERALLY sentence people to be hung for those things. It’s just total hypocrisy. Luckily there are people like Ricky Gervais that can come out and tell them right to their face they are hypocrites. Hollywood comedians can dish it out about trump, but when someone gives it back they are appalled.

Sorry, sorta jumped around there.

[exitspeed]

Interesting turn of events...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51079965

[exitspeed]

Huh, looks like Iran’s female Olympic medalist agrees with me.

Alizadeh confirmed the rumors Saturday, saying she "didn't want to sit at the table of hypocrisy, lies, injustice and flattery" and that she did not want to be complicit with the regime's "corruption and lies."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/12/m...cts/index.html

Now that a female from Iran is defecting and speaking out about the regime I wonder if the Left will continue to morn the life of a terrorist and support a oppressive regime.

Probably. Because they just CANT admit trump did the right thing.

And huh, we went from Trump starting WW3 to Iran backing down and now citizens protesting and athletes defecting.