Help for a Silvia newbie

[Kn1ves]

And heres the image from Grassroots Motorsports


"Motortrend said the 240sx 'vibrates badly at 6000RPM'. Both of those road tests also pointed out that it was best to shift the cars at 1500RPM below the redline."

Sorry but you and your Altima fails.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Drifting = gay for someone with an Altima

Upshift from 5.5k gives you the most power. read magazine scans of the 240sx when it was brand new and most of them advise that as well

Use premium gas since it was intended to be used with premium gas. The difference between a full tank of gas with premium vs regular is like $.30~ at most. Don't be a cheap ass.

You dumb fuck. Nissan recommends using 87 in the KA24DE block. If you can provide proof of something different, I will eat my words. Before, when I was on the stock ecu, the car ran like crap on anything other than 87. Now with the ECU, I have to run premium.

Just to humilate you further, I want to remind you all than The Altima uses the same KA24DE block as the 240sx. So yes, my POS Altima with JWT cams and ECU with a 7000rpm redline is shit, and you all know more about effective powerbands and shift points than JWT.

And because I thive on making others look like the pieces of shit they are, I went ahead and downloaded Cartest 4.5 (a free download here http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest4.5/index.html)


Shot at 2007-08-16

I ran 3 different types of 240sx's.
Default, Shift at Redline, and Shift at power peak. Guess which one had the best accleration?

Time to 100ft
Redline 240sx (shifting at 6500rpm) 3.3
Default 240sx (shifting at optimum shift points) 3.3
Pre-Redline 240sx (shifting at 5500rpm) 3.4

Time to 500ft
Redline 240sx (shifting at 6500rpm) 8.9
Default 240sx (shifting at optimum shift points) 8.9
Pre-Redline 240sx (shifting at 5500rpm) 9.1

1/4mile time
Redline 240sx (shifting at 6500rpm) 16.4 @ 85.4mph <----WINNER
Default 240sx (shifting at optimum shift points) 16.4 @ 84.9mph
Pre-Redline 240sx (shifting at 5500rpm) 16.8 @ 84.2mph

You're a piece of shit, and your wrong.

[Kn1ves]

Eat your words, I just posted my gas tank above yours while you were out wasting your time making up numbers.

and

Motortrend's words > yours and ur gay program

Altima KA24DE is not the same as a 240SX KA24DE

Thanks for 'humilating' me

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

1. YOU will be faster shifting at redline. Even with power Dropping at 5600rpm, shifting at redline will drop you right back at around 4600rpm or so. You cannot Disagree that this is the fastest way of accleration.

2. Drifting IS Stupid.

3. Nissan recommends regular gasoline. Using anything else, and your wasting your money, and hurting your fuel economy. JWT's Ecu bumps up the timing maps so you can take advantage of higher octane, unlike with the stock Ecu.

I'm right, your wrong. Faggots.

1. How the hell would you know when to shift a 240, you drive a gay ass altima?

2. Drifting is only stupid when the person doing the drifting is stupid.

3. Learn to f*cking read you idiot nissan reccomends premium for all 240's

[Iceman00]

1. The Altima uses the same Engine as the 240sx Dumbass.
2. Drifting is worthless.
3. I Told you if you can prove otherwise, I'd eat my words. And I do. Nissan Recommends premium fuel in the 240sx.
4. I didn't fabracte those numbers. And Until you can come up with anything better, I'm going to continue to regard you as an idiot.

[Kn1ves]

If its the same engine, then tell me why Nissan would recommend Premium for the 240sx and Regular for the gay Altima?

Is it because its NOT the same engine exact engine?

Logic > You

[azndoc]

Iceman00 your gay.

Why because you say drifting suck.

It doesn't suck. You prolly tried drifting your fwd altima and realize you couldn't and that you fail at life so then you want to bash on drifting. Which makes you gay.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

If its the same engine, then tell me why Nissan would recommend Premium for the 240sx and Regular for the gay Altima?

Is it because its NOT the same engine exact engine?

Logic > You

I'm sorry, your right. My Cam Drives My Dizzy. How could I forget that major difference. Or how about Altima Drivers using 240sx ecu's in thier cars..
(http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/ecm...97-altima.html)
Or JWT/Crower cams being the same for both Altima's and 240sx's (on 240sx, BC cams have to have the Dizzy drive cut off them for use)
Or that any off the shelf internal part for the 240sx KA works in the Altima.

Yes, completely different engines down to the ecu management my friend.

[Kn1ves]

Altima = FWD. Enough said.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by azndoc

Iceman00 your gay.

Why because you say drifting suck.

It doesn't suck. You prolly tried drifting your fwd altima and realize you couldn't and that you fail at life so then you want to bash on drifting. Which makes you gay.

I think you ment you're, like how I know you're an idiot. You cannot prove driftings value to me, or to anyone. Its stupid and pointless. Stop being a Blind bandwagon jumper and realize your Formula Garbage dreams will never come true.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Altima = FWD. Enough said.

And? Please. Continue on, I want to see were you are going with this.

[Kn1ves]

LOLOL he's correcting youre language!
hes out to 'humilate' you too!

What is the value of drifting to anyone?
Force manufacturers to create affordable RWD vehicles is one.
Create a booming industry is another.
Having fun aside from going to track is another.
Learning to drive at the limits of the car is of value to some people.
Create competition versus manufacturers to help costs down.

It's funny cause you're benefiting from the 'drifting garbage' with all the parts you're sourcing out from the 240sx's catalog

I don't know, I was able to evaluate drifting and its credibility mighty easily without jumping to the 'drifting is stupid' bandwagon.

PS. With each post you make, you're red squares go up. We all know who the real 'idiot' is. No need for name calling please. Thanks for playing.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

And? Please. Continue on, I want to see were you are going with this.

Yea it explains your logic and how you approach drifting.
Most, if not all FWD fanatics think drifting is useless because of the simple fact that they can't do it themselves. Once those same people get a RWD car and learns how to rotate the rear end will scream 'O SHIT IM DRIFTING, THAT WAS TIGHT" the moment it happens. Seen it all too often.

[Iceman00]

What is the value of drifting to anyone?
Force manufacturers to create affordable RWD vehicles is one.
I Want to see these new RWD car made because of the popularity of Drifting

Answer this Question. What car(s) currently in production was made because of Driftings popularity.

[Kn1ves]

And yet everyone is laughing at you.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Yea it explains your logic and how you approach drifting.
Most, if not all FWD fanatics think drifting is useless because of the simple fact that they can't do it themselves. Once those same people get a RWD car and learns how to rotate the rear end will scream 'O SHIT IM DRIFTING, THAT WAS TIGHT" the moment it happens. Seen it all too often.

FWD cars can powerslide. While its fun, its a waste of tires unless done correctly. Unlike Drifting which is a waste of tires, and time, no matter what the circumstance.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

And yet everyone is laughing at you.

Who?
Because I wrongly assumed that 240sx uses regular fuel Like Other cars with the same engine? Right.

I see you have no smart remarks about my simulator run having the cars shift at redline. Or JWT's reasoning for raising the Redline to 1000rpm over Power peak.

Drifting is just another marketing tool for idiots who want to be "JDM" by buying shitty Coil overs, and Overpriced Japanese parts because its "cool"

[CKAMC]

drag racing is boring, drifting teaches one car control with a rwd car and to follow traditional race lines seen in autocross and time attack with rwd cars.

you drive an econobox, not a drag car.

[Kn1ves]

I Want to see these new RWD car made because of the popularity of Drifting
Successor of the AE86?
Silvia successor?
Zilvia even opened up a new forum because of this segment because of all the attention this thread was getting

Pontiac Solstice thats being campaigned by Pontiac themselves after the GTO?
Even Ford has financial backing in this 'motorsport'.
Dodge with the Vipers?


The Sport Compact Industry was already huge before drifting caught on in the USA
Yea thanks to drifting, its twice the size it was then. How do I know?
Well there are parts being made for your not a sport compact altima.

Fun is subjective. I don't have fun sliding my car around like a jackass.
Fun IS subjective. Thats why I don't drive an Altima.

Learning to drive at the limits would be a track day at your local racetrack, not sliding around in a car with ugly bodykits and shitty suspension setups.

Im not even going to touch that one. It made me LOL too much.

PS. You're at 4 Red Squares now. It means everyone is LOLing at you getting owned.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Who?


I see you have no smart remarks about my simulator run having the cars shift at redline.

LOL that's because I can go outside and drive my car and realize that I'm not getting power above 5.5k.

And I'm not quick to open my mouth about something that I know nothing of.
Im currently looking into the credibility of the program.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by CKAMC

drag racing is boring, drifting teaches one car control with a rwd car and to follow traditional race lines seen in autocross and time attack with rwd cars.

you drive an econobox, not a drag car.

The 240sx isn't a sports car. It was a economy Car with RWD that got its ass handed to it by more popular cars.

Autocross teaches those same rules as above, but for a more useful, and tangable goal.

[C. Senor]

being that i had a maxima......fwd sucks balls. drifting is fun. i do it every once in a while, i'm more of a grip driver. but letting that rear end out every once in a while is just fun. most car manufacturers recommend premium because car and gas are a business so every one in the business gets a litle help from each other duh. just because a manufacturer recommends premium doesnt mean the car wont run good with 87. hell i know for a fact that porsche's(we all know they have some op notch power motors) run great on 87 although it is recommended to use premium...hell my 89 maxima recommended premium. and from what i read the altima dual cam and the 240 dual cam are the same exact motor. can i see some proof of this please. because call me dumb(well not really) i always though they were different. i was under the impression that i coulnd't put an altima motor in my car with out some rather heavy modifications. because if they just swap i've been wasting my time looking for a rwd ka.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

The 240sx isn't a sports car. It was a economy Car with RWD that got its ass handed to it by more popular cars.

Tell that to my insurance company -_-

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

I Want to see these new RWD car made because of the popularity of Drifting
Successor of the AE86?
Silvia successor?
Zilvia even opened up a new forum because of this segment because of all the attention this thread was getting

Pontiac Solstice thats being campaigned by Pontiac themselves after the GTO?
Even Ford has financial backing in this 'motorsport'.
Dodge with the Vipers?


The Sport Compact Industry was already huge before drifting caught on in the USA
Yea thanks to drifting, its twice the size it was then. How do I know?
Well there are parts being made for your not a sport compact altima.

Fun is subjective. I don't have fun sliding my car around like a jackass.
Fun IS subjective. Thats why I don't drive an Altima.

Learning to drive at the limits would be a track day at your local racetrack, not sliding around in a car with ugly bodykits and shitty suspension setups.

Im not even going to touch that one. It made me LOL too much.

PS. You're at 4 Red Squares now. It means everyone is LOLing at you getting owned.

AGAIN. Name a new RWDD car made because of the popularity of Drifting. I'm asking for just one. Chevys Colbalt SS cleaned house in time Attacks, but I Doubt thats what GM made it for.

As Far as I know, no Aftermarket Parts for my car came about because of Drifting. I dare you to prove otherwise.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

Tell that to my insurance company -_-

Preludes are also listed as Sports cars, as are most 2 door cars. The 240sx is not, and never has been a Sports car.

[C. Senor]

ummm 240's are seen as sport cars. LOl you're funny there val. oh man and i shift at 5.8k it seems to work the best....rather than shifting at 6.2k just so you know.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by s13coupeluv

being that i had a maxima......fwd sucks balls. drifting is fun. i do it every once in a while, i'm more of a grip driver. but letting that rear end out every once in a while is just fun. most car manufacturers recommend premium because car and gas are a business so every one in the business gets a litle help from each other duh. just because a manufacturer recommends premium doesnt mean the car wont run good with 87. hell i know for a fact that porsche's(we all know they have some op notch power motors) run great on 87 although it is recommended to use premium...hell my 89 maxima recommended premium. and from what i read the altima dual cam and the 240 dual cam are the same exact motor. can i see some proof of this please. because call me dumb(well not really) i always though they were different. i was under the impression that i coulnd't put an altima motor in my car with out some rather heavy modifications. because if they just swap i've been wasting my time looking for a rwd ka.

So are you going to argue that the VQ used in the Maxima/Altima isn't the same as the One used in the 350Z/G35, because it cannot be mounted in the chassis. Smart one.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by s13coupeluv

ummm 240's are seen as sport cars. LOl you're funny there val. oh man and i shift at 5.8k it seems to work the best....rather than shifting at 6.2k just so you know.

The 350Z is a Sports car, the corvette is a sports car, the 240sx is NOT a sports car.

Sports cars are 2 seat rwd cars. The 240sx is considered a GT car.

[CKAMC]

coilovers are developed in various levels to suit the needs of different drivers and their driving ability. not everyone here is a master of driving but we strive to improve.

if you think this is a jdm craze then why do you own a japanese car? why not go buy a dodge neon? if you pride america so much.

the industry has been influenced. gm made the sky and solstice(sp plz), toyota and just recently nissan have new rumors of rwd cars other than z or lexus models. dodge brought out the magnum and gto(not cheap but more rwd). and ford pushes its pony car like always.

shitty suspension? wow didnt know know tokico was that bad

there is quite a few here that participate in time attack and love the quality of their japanese and american made suspension.

why are you still here arguing about your altima? do you understand why some people here setup their suspension?

you speak too much out of your ass about a car you do not own, go back and conduct some reseach, buy a 240 and go road race/time attack.

[C. Senor]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

So are you going to argue that the VQ used in the Maxima/Altima isn't the same as the One used in the 350Z/G35, because it cannot be mounted in the chassis. Smart one.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

The 350Z is a Sports car, the corvette is a sports car, the 240sx is NOT a sports car.

Sports cars are 2 seat rwd cars. The 240sx is considered a GT car.

can you simply take a motor out from the maxima or altima and just simply swap it into the 350 or g.....if you can then shit i will retract my statement put a public apology and i'll go out and buy a 350 with blown motor for cheap and buy a wrecked maxima for cheap and BAM...cheap 350z....i'd be balling...LOL

and bare with me here....2 seater rwd cars.....so like porsche is not a sports car...because i can doubl check when i go to work tomorrow but i thought that the carrera's and turbo's had a back seat...and i thought they were sports cars....and the 2 door audi s4's....i thought they were sports car and last i checked (again at work) they had a back seat...WOAH total mind blower....s4's and porsche's are not sports cars....i've been lied to.