-:- is it true that having a degree means more money in this era?

[OptionZero]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Like was said before. For many people, a bachelors is just the stepping stone to another degree (IE: Law, Vet Med etc.)

If you want to do something like that; good luck being hired as an attorney without a Law degree, or a doctor without a Medical degree. lol

OptionZero: Are you still in Law school, or are you finished?

I leave you know...





To go back to class.

2nd year of 3

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

you're almost always better off with a degree, but it isn't everything. experience is almost equally valuable. a serious attitude when necessary, and some charisma doesn't hurt either.

bingo

OptionZero where you going to school and how does it compare to BA/S lifestyle?

I was thinking of JD in a year or so.

[95Blue240sx]

I'll agree with you that a degree is an ice breaker of sort. But your last statement I will have to disagree with.

People like me who dont like school or what it represents are going just to get that paper by any means. Doesnt matter if thats finishing a BS with a 2.0. It doesnt tell you a GPA on your diploma does it?

Another thing is I dont like to work towards that paper(diploma) as hard I work for the green paper. Ive meet people just like that and their true colors wont show up on some exam, it shows in the workplace where your performance actually matters. School is whatever to me, but I still want to finish. When Im in the work place you wont think of me a someone who has just tried to slip by.

Originally Posted by atom

A degree isn't enough. It's an ice breaker. It gets you the interview. Applicable knowledge and proficiency will get you the job and keep it. A degree you got with a 2.0 GPA is not worth that much more often than not.

[OptionZero]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

bingo

OptionZero where you going to school and how does it compare to BA/S lifestyle?

I was thinking of JD in a year or so.

University of San francisco

JD life = treat it like a job or you'll fail, put in the hours, you're in direct competition with classmates and other law students for jobs, 1st year is virtually make or break your career; learn fast or fail

undergrad life = unless ur a science/engineering major, chill half the time and slide on by, focus is on learning about urself, meeting new people, exploring possibilities

[atom]

If someone tells me they got a degree with a low GPA two things immediately spring to mind.

1. You aren't that smart.
2. You might be smart but you are also lazy.

Either way it doesn't reflect well on your ability to perform in the real world. You can say that when the money is on the line you'll pick up the slack but old habits die hard.

Learning how to grind through tedious bullshit you hate while excelling is one of the most important things you can learn in high school or college, because no matter how much you love your job there will be those days where your job will make you just hate life. Better to learn how to deal with it in school where you can afford to screw up a little than in the real world.

I was lucky. I was one of those slackers that tried to coast through college. How much of a slacker was I the first two years? When I entered college I was on track to graduate in 3 years. I ended up barely graduating in 4, last two quarters I had to take 6 classes plus two summer school sessions. But during my third year of college I somehow pulled a rabbit out of my ass and got a pretty competitive internship at IBM. Thats where I learned just how mediocre I really was. If I hadn't gotten that internship, learned how to grind, and graduated college with the same slacker attitude I had I doubt very highly I'd have my job today.

[prang11]

^Atom: I had the same college experience.


My real worls experience so far.

I have a degree and am a small business owner. One of the things my degree helped me to do was get loans to start my business. I have been in business 1 year now and have paid down about 1/4 of my debt. My take home is pathetic in my mind, reason being because my loan payments are so high.

My buddy has no degree. Started his business 2 years before me. Out of debt at the end of year two and making more money than I do. Now at the end of year three he is stable and just bought a house. Now the race begins to see who can make more money over the next 10 years.

What I get out of this is that if you have a good work ethic, are self employed and dont mind going into a ton of debt right out of high school or college you should be succesful.

Originally Posted by widegts

Of course I know college grads will feel different compared to non-grads, and so on, but please let us know if your a college grad, and your feelings about this topic.

College graduates will *feel* differently about this subject because they're in debt up the ass because of school, so needless to say.. they'll have plenty of excuses to justify their expenditure.

There are too many factors here, and each person has a different mind-set that either requires school or doesnt. One size doesnt fit all.

Most important thing is to try to determine what field you want to go in. Obviously, you cant become a doctor or lawyer without school - you need the degree to practice. Certain fields are more flexible, and if you are motivated and not lazy, and you have the right connections.. you can squeek in, learn the trade and advance your career as you pickup experience and knowledge.

Bottom line that most people seem to forget, is that we're all in the same rat-race paying for the same expenses (some more, some less), and overall.. are seeking the same things. You need a home, most likely a car, food, insurances, etc - no matter what you do, you need to generate money to pay for these things, period.

So you can fuck around and go to school, rack up loans.. start a practice, doesnt matter - just make that fuckin cheddar to pay those bills (and those loans), and work toward a positive future.

If you scratch school and follow a profession you desire, cool.. just remember that no one has your back but you. Get up in the morning, bust your ass, learn the trade, always readup and gain that knowledge.

Too many slackers in this world... school or no school - you gotta work to stay on top, period.

[widegts]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

So you can fuck around and go to school, rack up loans.. start a practice, doesnt matter - just make that fuckin cheddar to pay those bills (and those loans), and work toward a positive future.

If you scratch school and follow a profession you desire, cool.. just remember that no one has your back but you. Get up in the morning, bust your ass, learn the trade, always readup and gain that knowledge.

Too many slackers in this world... school or no school - you gotta work to stay on top, period.

slackers, tell me about it, i was/am one of them. I put ''apply yourself'', to try to remind everyone to do so.

we ARE ALL CAPABLE OF BECOMING SOMETHING GREAT, most of us just need to apply ourselves.

theres nothing worse than wasted talent, Calogero

[JRas]

a degree gets you foot in the door and that's all it's needed for

[cdlong]

it really depends on your degree. you do actually learn things in college other than how to drink and party.

[A Spec Products]

No

Look at me

I have a degree

And I work in this industry making squat

Somebody failed!

[aznpoopy]

statistically it is true

but a degree doesn't guarantee anything

[OptionZero]

what did logan major in?

[illvialuver]

this is actually funny, i went to a local pub and ran into a guy from high school he went to a four year university, and now he is working for the city doing your standard after school, h20 school rec type of thing, that he could have done by just sticking with the job for four years.
and he is not the only case, of people who go to four year universities just to spend all that cash to be a manager at a local grocer, or to sell parts to us on zilvia( jk logan, you know your cool)
but its goes the same i know plenty of people who are successful in sales without graduating from highschool, but its really hit and miss, right place at the right time and motivation and drive.

i mean if you go to school and end up at a unrelated job for the rest of your life at least you went to college and did something and had the experience.

[S13SilviaGirl]

It all depends on HOW you use it, where the degree is from, and what it is in. If you want to be a nurse, a degree in English ain't gonna cut it. Yet, most govt. jobs only require an associates. Some do require a BA/BS. It all depends. It shows that you have the dedication to go through the rigors of college and finish it. That in itself says a lot to prospective employers. In my opinion, yes, it can help. But, you have to be the one to sell yourself, you can't just rely on the degree to get a job for you.

[Edgar]

I agree with Lisa on what she said. I think you can have a PHD and still work at McDonalds if you dont have the strive to make it in life.
You have to be Headstrong. I know that if I dont do good get a degree use my Spanish for something here in the Midwest make some loot I wont be able to have what ive always wanted. A FAMILY with awesome babies and have a nice house with puppies running around. Have my 3 car garage where I play in on the Weekends, etc etc
Get the point?
I know people that are like mid 20's still living at home doing nothing with thier time, it's about motivation and doing the best that you can if you are down with that.
I work with older people that have a degree and they do the same thing as me here at the Hospital and I only have a High School Diploma until this stage of my education and I am almost at my Associates in Business Management.
I know I want to do something with Business, I just dont know.
I am planning on wanting to learn JDM Language and get real good at it, and also get my French and Italian baller status.
Who knows where ill be in 5 years, just keep your head up guys get your damn degrees it's just something to do and go get a job and make monies to do what you really want to do.

[widegts]

Im in a hard position right now. I am about to get my associates also in business just like Edgar. School is currently hard as hell now, but still bareable haha.

In the other hand, my company (KEEP IN MIND, ITS JUST ME PERIOD), has landed an account with Marga Hills. They contacted a local company here in my area to find someone who has the skills to make plugs, molds, and manufacture the new designs they want for the US market.

So, Marga Hills contacted Kure, who contacted AIT, who refered ME. It was a bit surprising but Im happy none the less. How does this make me a bit confused at the moment well this is the case...

Making a one off kit and getting it mass produced over seas cost a lot of money. Rough estimate is I charge 10g+ to make one, they spend about another 10g+ for the molds, shipping and all that. So in a sense, I am in a contract for 1 year for now, where this is a opportunity to make a great business relationship and have a carreer in this field.
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1year at $4500-$8000 a month (depending on project: 350 / pinto / bmw)

At lowest $4500x12 = $54,000 none taxed

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So with that in mind, I want to focus on the projects they gave me alone, right now its a NSX this coming TUESDAY. Soon after a 350z full widebody design, then a SUBY STI Widebody design, and so forth.

YET I DONT, even though I am in contract with them, it still doesnt mean they cant go out of business, or after that 1 year drop me. Then I am back at square one, no degree.

SCHOOL IS GETTING SO HARD, AND now this... ahhhhh! what to do what to do...

ANY ADVICE GUYS/GALS? Little feed back might help me realize things I havent thought of due to the amount of stress I am in currently.

- GF just graduated, helping her find a career job because she might have to move home if not, haha.

- Family is going through some stupid petty quarrels that is affecting everyone

- School is getting harder as I get to my Core classes

- Business has a opportunity to become something

- Still im a bit broke so im selling my car and other stuff. haha. Ya just cause I have this opportunity w/ Marga Hills, doesnt mean im rich haha. Before this happend, I had some business investments that didnt work out, so no im paying for it, eh!

and minor things that seems big because of the other problems I have...

-=o(

[SiI40sx]

Honestly I don't think theres a wrong or right to "getting a degree" or "not getting one". Its pretty much up to you. Are you good at what you do? Do you feel like you need a degree to go further? Then do what benefits you. I'm not saying you NEED a degree or you DON'T need one, just do what benefits your career path. But if you decide not to finish school its not a big deal, why? Because my dad bills at $150/hr and $250/hr during court testimony and everything is usually portal to portal, oh yeah he only graduated highschool. One thing he's always told me "there's no substitute for hard work"