fn's wheels fitment 17x10 on s13 (need help)

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Don't be dumb. Go 17x9 +15 in the front and 17x10 +12. You will need a roller and a small pull. Depending on tire size.

Why the hell would you want skinnier tires in the front?????? Even tire width on all 4 gives the car a more balanced feel. It also make the car easier to rotate through the center of the corner, has more responsive turn in, and makes it easier to throttle steer. How about instead of staggering your tire sizes to make the car more stable you actually spend the time and money to LEARN TO DRIVE and SET UP YOUR SUSPENSION! I bet you stretch your tires like a dumbass to look cool don't you?

[TheSquidd]

Never said smaller tires.

I could run 215's on a 9 and 10. And the stretch on the rear tire would give me much less grip than the front.

[Irukandji]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Why the hell would you want skinnier tires in the front?????? Even tire width on all 4 gives the car a more balanced feel. It also make the car easier to rotate through the center of the corner, has more responsive turn in, and makes it easier to throttle steer. How about instead of staggering your tire sizes to make the car more stable you actually spend the time and money to LEARN TO DRIVE and SET UP YOUR SUSPENSION! I bet you stretch your tires like a dumbass to look cool don't you?

You're a tool, aren't you?

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by n1sm0r

You're a tool, aren't you?

I'm a tool? I'm not the one following the popular (and gay) trend of running staggered wheels and tires and stretching the tires to look "cool". Not one racecar on the face of the earth has stretched tires and the vast majority of touring cars do not run staggered tire sizes. So before you decide to call someone a "tool" you might wanna think about what a "tool" really is, anyone who goes against the popular trends and uses their own brain and experience to establish their opinions is not a "tool".

[ROIDMONKEY]

ok slow down guys .
this is making me confuse . i think im getting the ROTA P45R on 17 i dont like the sticking out wheels on the rear i want it to look flat but use at least 245( or bigger) on the rear. wich offset is the "ideal" on a 91 coupe? +12.+25+30+40? wich one please?
the less offset the whell stick out more? and the bigger the offset the wheel inside more?
thanks

[TheSquidd]

Originally Posted by ROIDMONKEY

ok slow down guys .
this is making me confuse . i think im getting the ROTA P45R on 17 i dont like the sticking out wheels on the rear i want it to look flat but use at least 245( or bigger) on the rear. wich offset is the "ideal" on a 91 coupe? +12.+25+30+40? wich one please?
the less offset the whell stick out more? and the bigger the offset the wheel inside more?
thanks

Lower the offset number, the more it "sticks out".
Higher the offset number, the more is "sinks in".

91 coupe, 17x9.5? Depends, what amount of camber are you running? What body modifications do you want to do?

Super safe:
17x9.5 +25, this SHOULD clear coilovers with a few mm to spare. You might need 1-2 degrees of camber to fit well, depending on what body modification you want to do. Roll fenders, pull fenders, wide fenders etc. This is pretty safe though.

Good fitment:
17x9.5 +12 clears coilovers easy, you can run decent tires on these. to fit, add some camber up front and roll it, then pull the rear fender a little and roll it.

Either way will fit. If it were me, it'd be 17x9.5 +12 and 18x9.5 +12 rear, camber and stretched tires to fit. But then again I make cars that handle like shit.

[ROIDMONKEY]

Originally Posted by TheSquidd

Lower the offset number, the more it "sticks out".
Higher the offset number, the more is "sinks in".

91 coupe, 17x9.5? Depends, what amount of camber are you running? What body modifications do you want to do?

Super safe:
17x9.5 +25, this SHOULD clear coilovers with a few mm to spare. You might need 1-2 degrees of camber to fit well, depending on what body modification you want to do. Roll fenders, pull fenders, wide fenders etc. This is pretty safe though.

Good fitment:
17x9.5 +12 clears coilovers easy, you can run decent tires on these. to fit, add some camber up front and roll it, then pull the rear fender a little and roll it.

Either way will fit. If it were me, it'd be 17x9.5 +12 and 18x9.5 +12 rear, camber and stretched tires to fit. But then again I make cars that handle like shit.

thanks
Im running the hanabi's from falken right now , the are 17x9 20+ on the rear , they do stick out just a bit . i did some rolling and also have TEIN HE and adjustable camber . forgot the numbers but i took it to get aligment. anyway , if the hanabi i have are 20+ guess the 30+ is the offset im looking for then . im still have a bit to play on teh rear (coilover space clearance)
here is a pic with the hanabi's 17x9 20+ 235/45/17, had 245/65/17 before but ride was very hard
http://upload3.postimage.org/60907/photo_hosting.html

[TheSquidd]

Seems like you already have your car "flush".

Once you know what sizes work for you, you just use that as a point of reference for whatever wheels you buy afterwards.

Use a "wheel offset calculator" to compare new wheels to old ones to see the difference in sizes.

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

[a_ahmed]

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

this is meatay! 275 front and 295 rear 17x10. lots of inner fender massaging.

This + full suspension reworked + brakes + LS1 = Win win hehe

[s14gj]

Originally Posted by ROIDMONKEY

ok slow down guys .
this is making me confuse . i think im getting the ROTA P45R on 17 i dont like the sticking out wheels on the rear i want it to look flat but use at least 245( or bigger) on the rear. wich offset is the "ideal" on a 91 coupe? +12.+25+30+40? wich one please?
the less offset the whell stick out more? and the bigger the offset the wheel inside more?
thanks

they make rota p45r in a +12????

[OptionZero]

yes
custom run for subydude, rota seller

[!Zar!]

lolracepar1lol

wtf are you clamoring about.

[s14gj]

still need to sell my grenade wheels. so i can get some fn's
how wide should i run a tires on a 10 inch wheels
thinking about a 225

[KA24DESOneThree]

I am on racepar1's side, hardcore.

Unless it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, do NOT stagger. Doing so only makes you a bandwaggoning poseur who wants a stretch like the Jones'. I'll be passing you, by the way, as you overheat your generic 225s and have to back off the throttle coming into corners.

If I had 10s, I'd be running 275s. If I had 10.5s, I'd be running 275s.

What you have to understand is that these people are either drifters or wannabe drifters and will follow the drifting trend. That trend is stretched tires to fit wide wheels and a stagger, sometimes because they're pushing a lot of power, but usually because they're after the staggered look. Drifting judges judge on showiness as well as driving because... umm... well, I don't get it but whatever.

[McRussellPants]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

What you have to understand is that these people are either drifters or wannabe drifters and will follow the drifting trend. That trend is stretched tires to fit wide wheels and a stagger, sometimes because they're pushing a lot of power, but usually because they're after the staggered look. Drifting judges judge on showiness as well as driving because... umm... well, I don't get it but whatever.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

its not even worth explaining.

but, in the intrest of breaking my face on my keyboard.

A large part of "showiness" is speed. I have 240whp and 255/35/18s in the back, a 350hp car with 255s on the back won't be able to put huge a difference on me while drifting. where as two 300hp cars equally matched the car with the larger rear size would absolutely run away from the smaller sized tire.

Front tires matter extremely little after initiation, and larger tires become an issue because you deal with steering lock issues. so 235s it is.

Hence the 235/255 stagger I run. and the 215/275 stagger I've seen people win events with.



About road racing

Generally the people who preach about not staggering tire size on 240sxs are autocrossers or boner jam lapping day fags who drive around a track at 7/10ths and then jerk off to their know nothing buddies about how they got squirrelly coming out of whatever 30mph corner.

Every Fast 240 staggers.

DSG 255/275 last i checked
Sasha 295/305
Aceinthehole 295/305 right?
SPL 300ZX 295/315 (300zx is a fat lame 240sx)

there you go.

shut the fuck up everyone else.

[X 350GT X]

it is not my car. here is a pic of an s13 with fn 17x10. sorry dont know the offset.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

its not even worth explaining.

but, in the intrest of breaking my face on my keyboard.

A large part of "showiness" is speed. I have 240whp and 255/35/18s in the back, a 350hp car with 255s on the back won't be able to put huge a difference on me while drifting. where as two 300hp cars equally matched the car with the larger rear size would absolutely run away from the smaller sized tire.

Front tires matter extremely little after initiation maybe for moderate speed with underpowered weekend drifter cars, and larger tires become an issue because you deal with steering lock issues if your trying to force the car to lose traction.... so 235s it is.

Hence the 235/255 stagger I run. cooland the 215/275 stagger I've seen people win events with. well shit if people who win do that its obviously all the stagger's fault

where ? Parking lot drifting events?


About road racing

Generally the people who preach about not staggering tire size on 240sxs are autocrossers or boner jam lapping day fags who drive around a track at 7/10ths and then jerk off to their know nothing buddies about how they got squirrelly coming out of whatever 30mph corner.

Every Fast 240 staggers.

DSG 255/275 last i checked (uh depending on course they ususally run the same on both and they are running Hoosiers or R compounds typically)
Sasha 295/305
Aceinthehole 295/305 right? (Ace runs whatever fits under his wheel well)
SPL 300ZX 295/315 (300zx is a fat lame 240sx) (still not a huge size difference they are measureing actual contact patch, often with square patches sometime with budge (maybe not spl but other road cars) and you have to take into considerations variatons in sidewall hieght).
there you go.

shut the fuck up everyone else.

right


I think hes talking abotu staggering wheel size.

In that case cars that run on actual TRACKS not auto-x usually run nearly identical wheel sizes and never stagger tires more than 2 width ranges off, typically compound has more to do with this as well as other factors.

You wll not find a road racer stretching tires, its about as useful putting wooden tires on. theres some good thread out there on how road racers setup their cars, most drift cars are not good road cars, espeically ones built by fan boys with overly stiff spring rates and 2 ways lsds with 'baller' 18 inch chrome wheels on stretched tires.

you won't find that shit on a real race car. sorry.

[vvtisupra]

Thats funny cuz i heard the Hankook S15 kept the same suspension and diff and just changed tire size. I also heard tha tsome of the porsche cup cars run spools.

Staggered only benefits the car if its set up for more grip in the rear Its more important to have a balance. It also depends on the preference of the driver. If the driver prefers more over steer they might run less of a stagger and maybe even a little stretch or smaller sidewall.

And saying drift cars doesn't make good grip cars is vague. It depends on what kind of cars are on the track. to me whenever I go to the track it always seems like drift cars are more equipped than the normal speed trials driver. And stiff spring rates is all relative to a track's surface. Again as long as the track surface allows it and the car remains balanced then spring rate won't matter as long as the shocks are valved properly for the track.

Many people get the misconception that drift cars are built completely different than a grip car, but if you think about it the overall objective is the same. Both are looking for a balanced car with a rigid chassis to allow the suspension tuning work the way it was intended for. And again you can always change the driving style to way a car is set up.

Also, remember running a 1.5 way diff versus 2 way diff only changes during decceleration. on decel the 1.5 way cuts response by half. But most diffs are installed from the factory setting which makes the clutch packs about 50% lock to begin with. So most diffs aren't even that aggressive. And I'm not sure about other people but for grip driving i rev match on decel so when it actually is decelerating i don't feel a big force dragging against my car.

Anyways I know a few people that take their drift cars onto the grip tracks and the only thing they change is tire size and they kick ass. I've seen a person run 235 federal 595ss in the front and 255 Avon R compound tires in the rear kick ass on streets , then drove over to oval and drifted the whole course.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by vvtisupra

Many people get the misconception that drift cars are built completely different than a grip car, but if you think about it the overall objective is the same.

maybe at disney land.

I can drift my car on drag radials, does that make it a drift car?\


honestly though I hear you on stretchin the front tires slightly for more oversteer, thats how my car is currently setup, Im just poor right now and cant afford to go to at least a 235 in the front. I like oversteer, its more fun in a grip car IMO. Nuetral is better for time though

rears are 245, but im moving to 255. with a brick contact patch for traction at near 440whp

[vvtisupra]

I run only 1 deg of camber in the rear to get the most of my 235's and im only on stock sr at stock boost. And you want less side wall in the rear or stretch to get over steer. It allows less roll and has your rear repsond faster than the front. I see it more on awd cars and fwd cars.

[FCDRIFT]

this thread is gay

[steve shadows]

yoru car is orange and slow

[KA24DESOneThree]

Ace is an autocrosser, as is Don at PDM. Considering how much 305s cost to run, both for the tire and for a wheel of the right offset to run them, I would put cost of fitting 305s up front as the reason for the stagger. Of course, it's only a 10-section-width difference front and rear, so the grip differential is fairly low. I think it's possible, though, but you'd need the budget or the skill of Jason Rhoades to make it so.

I understand staggering in an autocross environment with high horsepower because the propensity for wheelspin is increased at lower speeds where the power is more "real." There are guys with 250whp running 305s in the back, and that's with freakin' R-compounds. Notice that the stagger is also relatively miniscule, especially for the AWD cars.

My daily used to have a 235 on 7.5/255 on 8.5 stagger and it felt like utter crap. It hooked up decently, but it pushed too much and I couldn't toss it the way I wanted to. Now it has 235s all around on 9s and it feels really nice and wheelspin isn't really an issue. It's a lot more agile than my brother's M3 on 225 on 7.5/245 on 8.5 stagger as well.

Front tires matter little to drifters, but a shit ton to us grip guys, which is the choir I'm preaching to.

Ask ANYONE who's been on the track with me what level I drive my car and see if there are any answers of 7/10. There won't be, I don't even drive that sedately on the street.

I don't think anyone was discussing car setup. I drifted my car with my grip settings and gripped with my drift settings. Granted, I was never serious about drift but whatever.

[McRussellPants]

Originally Posted by steve shadows

[B] by fan boys with overly stiff spring rates and 2 ways lsds with 'baller' 18 inch chrome wheels on stretched tires.
.

Hankook S15 is fastest S Chassis in USA.


Hankook S15 Runs 18kgmm springs.
Hankook S15 Runs 2way LSD
Hankook S15 Runs 18in Wheels.
Hankook S15 "Stretches" Tire
Hankook S15 Runs 4.5 Front Camber.


Wow, so everything D/E Faggots tell me not to do, a car that acutally move fast does.


SHOCKING.


SHOCKING.


Steveshadows can't even keep his shit on the road and then blames it on tires.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Ask ANYONE who's been on the track with me what level I drive my car and see if there are any answers of 7/10. There won't be, I don't even drive that sedately on the street..

Understeer into snap oversteer would probably look fast to people that don't know anything.

but its not fast.

also
NismoFreakS14 (01:43:38 am): It's a lot more agile than my brother's M3 on 225 on 7.5/245 on 8.5 stagger as well.
NismoFreakS14 (01:44:02 am): well no shit... a 2600 lb. 240 is more agile than a 3100 lb. lard boat M3

lolz, your 240 prolly falls into stevezies "oversprung" catagory too.

[KA24DESOneThree]

NismoFreak needs to work on his reading skills. Notice I said "my daily," not "my S13." My daily is a '94 325iS, my brother's M3 is a '96. Oh, and my S13 is (at most) 2150lbs, not 2600lbs. Get your facts right.

... and you're basing your assumption that I understeer then snap into oversteer on what? Oh yeah... nothing.

Oh, and it's not driver's education. It's open lapping. There's no difference between it and time trials in terms of speed for some of us.

Your sig really explains everything.

[McRussellPants]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Oh, and my S13 is (at most) 2150lbs, not 2600lbs. Get your facts right.

ROFL.

Pics on the longacres or Bullshit.

Enjuku car weighs 2350, bullshit on broke S13 owner scaling 2150.

[jaja]

i know this is a really old thread - but have a question on FN01R-C, 17x7 +35 4lug with z32 30mm calipers (turbo?). i searched, but i couldn't find anyone with this.... anyone with success with this without spacers? i saw someone on another forum with the 26mm calipers (non turbo?)

i found lotsa people with 8J/9J, but no one with 7J (yea yea, i know its a pussy setup)

help is appreciated before i start buying rotors, etc. (sorta already bought the calipers)