building a track

[KasperSlide]

oh elevation changes of course. it being used to extract fill dirt im sure it has plenty.

azndoc: what can this Noaki guy tell me.? is he the founder of drift days or something

[Gnnr]

Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.

[EDacIouSX]

i forget what its called but there's that one style of "racing" i suppose where you have two cars compete and you put up a small tiny course with cones. Both drivers start at the same time and they try to complete the mini course.

it could be as simple as two cones and you gotta go from cone a to cone b then turn around and get back to cone a... the more complex the more fun but the whole point is to be competitive and have the best time.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.

EXACTLY!!! If you think you can make this profitable off of nothing but drifters you are out of your mind. You NEED to build a track that can be used for everything if you wanna be profitable. I mean how many drift events a year can you possibly book? Now if you can book drift, grip, motorcycles, and maybe karts you can have it booked every single weekend.

[KasperSlide]

this is true, but i have to find the appeal for these events.i know i have the customer base for this type of track/events. i would always be interested in finding more clientel for other aspects of racing. to expand and make money is the ultimate goal.
Ebisu's drift land would be more of what im looking to do with a few higher speed
branch's.....

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by sil40drift

Not to Mention Insurance, since you are hosting events where people can potentialy hurt them self

VERY important, especially giving how litigious a country we live in.

Originally Posted by Rnz520

I dont know if you really need insurance, usually they make you sign a waiver where it says if anything happens its not their fault and blah blah blah.
Mad props if you get this done, be sure I will be one of your customers .

See my response just above... Not having insurance is asking to be bent over and taken advantage of, prison-style in this kind of business.

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Even if its a small track it can be used for karting or bikes. Depending how its designed. Its never good to target just one nitch group. When the facilities aren't being used, your losing money.

Brilliant!!! I think I may have mentioned it, but a "motorsports park," sufficient for karts and bikes would be a surefire way to keep the people coming in.

Originally Posted by Gnnr

I think Insurance would be the biggest issue. Definitely look into abandoned air strips, or areas around existing ones. We recently got a new track made from someone who bought an old touch and go air strip.

I know I mentioned that one, it is a great idea, there were some kids who used to fuck around on one near Rocky Mount, NC a few years back, I went out once or twice myself, but haven't in a long time.


I still suggest getting with the owner of the drag strip down there, in the interest of putting it all together.

[murda-c]

Originally Posted by Rnz520

I dont know if you really need insurance, usually they make you sign a waiver where it says if anything happens its not their fault and blah blah blah.
Mad props if you get this done, be sure I will be one of your customers .

That waiver is probably the only reason they can even get insurance.

[KasperSlide]

Being apart of fay motor speed way would mean I would have to do things the way they want it. If anyone has seen their track on a busy night it's ridiculous 2/3's of the people there aren't there for racing, they are there to act a fool, drink, cause drama/fights. I would NOT want to be apart of that AT ALL

[Phlip]

Say what you will, but that is actually exactly how things were with Piedmont up here. When they start to see the money coming in for more than just drag racing on Thursday and select Saturdays and Sundays, they begin to make some changes. In such, the whole facility gets better as a result. I can understand that you might not WANT to mess with them, but the fact remains that it is a very good idea to at least kick the idea around.

[fromxtor]

Kind of wonder why you didn't post this on carolinanissans.com?

http://www.racehighrock.com/index.php

[KasperSlide]

fromxtor: havent been on there in a long time i probably dont have an account with them any more nor do i remember my password. but that looks amazing hope to visit them when they open.

[tougemiata]

I have some insight. Long story short, my dad autocrosses, wants a closer track. He did everything from talking to the government, city councils about noise issues and traffic issues, and asphalt companies.

Even IF he could get the area to agree to said track, and with out discount with the company (our neighbor owns Granite Construction), it came out to a little over 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS per acre. Thats flat land, decent asphalt, no fences, paint, garage, nothing. So yea, its bank and thats for out here in Cali, sacramento/stockton area.

Getting people around your proposed track however will be another issues altogether, but you are in NC, so there is less people.

[fromxtor]

^^ I know someone who's in w/ the owner of that track I mentioned, and it seems they are going to be up for road racing, drift, auto-x etc.

[KasperSlide]

tougemiata: lol man its not like were a bunch of hicks that live 2 miles apart from one another but yes land will be less expensive then cali.

[SlideStyle180]

So... heres everything in a nutshell. Donald Trump, Johnnie Cochran, Granite Rock... and Judge Judy to rule out on your favor when times get tough with the neighborhood. After that, let's drift. Good luck bro, not that you need it, just a couple $mill$...

[KasperSlide]

lol,we will see my friend. in the mean time i thank you for all of your suggestions. i glad this didnt turn in to a bashing thread....
thanks

[!Zar!]

So have you looked into contacting the city yet for a permit?

Who's going to insure you?

You need to look into that first before anything else.

That one track called, "driftland" Is altamont. They were closed down due to permit problems.

[LB.Motoring]

Oh, its going to be a nightmare to get it legit....


You have to be 100% serious to do this...


I do grading and civil engineering, you would need tons of work, Imported soil, Perc testing, who knows your soil could compact or not, you dont know,

Start with city see if and how you can, then go to a civil engineering firm and consult them, I just did a moto x track, but its a little different, (all dirt etc., but similar idea)

[yudalicious]

I also think getting a permit from the city may be hard. Also. Having a small track that caters just to cheap ass 20 y/o drifters (in NC) is screaming fail to me, even if you do get it up and running.

[nizm0_kid]

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by yudalicious

I also think getting a permit from the city may be hard. Also. Having a small track that caters just to cheap ass 20 y/o drifters (in NC) is screaming fail to me, even if you do get it up and running.

Originally Posted by nizm0_kid

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup

Guys, is it really necessary to repeat what has been said over and over again in this thread? I mean, neither of you has said anything that hasn't been mentioned in this thread already.

[smellslikecurry]

u should juss contact the guys at the track closest 2 u and ask them wassup















Also, a good ballpark for roadway construction costs (I would assume this would also apply to race tracks) is $100/lane foot.

If you assume that the track is three lanes wide (40 feet) and 2.5 miles long, that gives you $4 million. Thats assuming no major grading obstacles. Add for parking lots, entry roadways, buildings, etc as desired.

EDIT: That may have gone up however, as asphalt has shot up with the cost of oil. You would be looking at about 20,000 tons of pavement, which runs $110 a ton, or $2.2 million in just materials.

2.5 miles of track would probably cost about 1 to 2 million per mile for an exceptional quality road surface assuming little to no clearing and minimal grading. That's just for laying the road. Now include track design, infrastructure, zoning, legalities, advertising, etc and it gets really pricey.
taken from another forum


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain...tional_Circuit
that cost 150 mill to build

"A group of us are in the process right now:

http://www.arkansasmotorsportranch.com

Here is what it is costing us:

2 million for land
+
1 million per mile of racetrack, so 2 million for 2 mile road course
+
1 million for parking lot and other infrastructure elements
+
1 million for clubhouse facility (read, large metal building with a cantina and lockerooms)
+
4 million for engineers, designers, architects, safety inspections, EPA inspections, insurance, safety, and other miscellaneous contruction and expense

grand total = 10 million and this is a really bare bones setup

Insurance and upkeep annually will be nuts so factor that in."