MTV's the Jersey Shore...

[Bubbles]

Then what's the difference?

[theronin]

oh man im sorry. didnt notice that my comments could have seemed offensive. sorry

[vekoner]

hahah, guido

[NecroS14]

Are we talking about this guy?

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by brndck

i vote that from now on we refer to these types as "gordos". this way we can all still know who/what we are talking about without having to use any sort of derogatory term.

Sounds to much like a latin-based food. Kinda like Gyros.

[ronmcdon]

Gordo is just espanol for 'fat dude'.
fairly spot on considering the beefcakes aren't too different looking.

the show actually isn't too bad.
The 'such & such' culture is good for a few laughs.
I do think it's staged though.

that chick is just horrific looking, lol
Nicole (Snooki) Polizzi, MTV 'Jersey Shore' cast member, punched by Queens teacher Brad Ferro: cops

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Nicole (Snooki) Polizzi, MTV 'Jersey Shore' cast member, punched by Queens teacher Brad Ferro: cops

Originally Posted by from above link comments

She clearly attacked his fist with her face.

LOL best quote there...

[drift freaq]

Ok I was going to keep my mouth shut on this but this thread has gone on way to long.

I.E. most of you fail to realize just how offensive to most Italian Americans and the people who are like this in Jersey is.
Fact is growing up as a kid the term used so loosely in the show and MTV's attempt to label it a lifestyle is a pretty damn derogatory term.
Those people are embarrassing to all people of Italian American heritage.

What a lot of you fail to realize is Italian Americans were once a minority. Put down ridiculed etc.. Stereotypes were labeled on them much like other minorities.

Today we for the most part are pretty much considered White's it was not always that way. In fact throughout corporate America you will find upstanding, proper language speaking Italian Americans running things.
Largest Toyota dealership in the World started and run by an Italian American. One of the founding companies of Silicon Valley's Technology center run by a corporate vice president Italian American..
just a couple of examples and the list goes on.

I state these only to show the gross representation of our culture, that show and the Jersey shore is shoving on you. It is disrespectful to all Italian Americans who work hard and are normal people who don't act that way.

Younger Italian Americans are failing to realize this. Those people on the Jersey shore really make us look bad.
The ones that say I am Italian American and don't care well the problem is you should care. Its not so much the word as it is the whole show and the people who are out there portraying that lifestyle. Especially when its a minority of the Italian American population at best.
Problem being the average idiot is going to think you an Italian American acts that way. Its like the Chinese guys that think Italian Americans talk like Mafioso because of the Soprano's . LOL but worse.
Yes I have experienced that from Chinese guys and it made me laugh but this show is worse than that.

Now anyone that complains about being called a .......... or a ,,,,,,,,,,, i.e. derogatory slurs of their culture and then condones this is a hypocrite. Nice to see so many hypocrites in this thead. Hell if I said fuck you to half your faces you would probably call it fighting words.

So I dare anyone of you to say I just let the shit roll off my back and not bother me. Oh and Matej stay out of this with your lame ass rebuttals.

Sorry boys, its just like eastern Europeans do not want to be portrayed as Vodka swilling drunks.

[drftwerks]

^^^
dude.

i always thought you were asian, bro.

[foreverdark]

Originally Posted by drftwerks

^^^
dude.

i always thought you were asian, bro.

for reals!

[brndck]

Originally Posted by drftwerks

^^^
dude.

i always thought you were asian, bro.

Originally Posted by foreverdark

for reals!

haha clearly you've never met dave...

oh and dave, as much as i agree with many of your points, i personally find the race card to be the most played out thing to bitch about on the planet. you can't make fun of anyone these days without them crying about it being racist or ethnically motivated. personally, i am irreverent and very very un-pc and i very much like it that way.

everyone everywhere of every nationality who is a foreigner has dealt with strife and some form of persecution at some point so why does every ethnic group complain like they're the only ones?

if a group of any ethnic persuasion goes around referring to themselves as an ethnic slur while engaging in the most disrespectful and shameful behavior, ESPECIALLY on national television, i don't find it the slightest bit racist for the rest of the world to make humorous remarks about them.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ok I was going to keep my mouth shut on this but

Priceless.

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Younger Italian Americans are failing to realize this.

sounds like the parents failed then huh...

[soreballz]

Dave, everything you said applies to every culture.
Young black kids that act like thugs make African Americans look bad.
Young Mexican kids that act like gangsters make Mexican Americans look bad.
Bros and white trash make "white Americans" look bad.
etc.
Every culture has a stereotype. People that live up to that stereotype, and are proud to do so, make their culture look bad.*

It happens to everyone, every day. Whooptie fucking doo. Why you Italian peeps are so much more up in arms about it than everyone else... Beats me.






* = Except for Asians. Being good at math is a good stereotype to live up to.

[ca18guy]

They make themselves look bad, get over it, people using this show to from an opinion on Italians or New Jersians (though they are mostly from NY) are mostly idiots themselves. Back on the subject at hand, The Situation and I think Snookers will be on Conan tonight. I'm hoping the situation refers to himself in the 3rd person a lot during the interview

[S14DB]

All the Dbags will be on Conan tonight.

[drift freaq]

you all fail to miss my one my main point. Its not so much the slur. Its the portrayal and the use of the slur as well.

See all your points are hypocritical. If there was a show that was a reality type show about black people being thugs and shootings drugs and killing people the NAACP would be screaming bloody murder. If there was a show about Mexicans portraying them in an extremely negative light they would be screaming bloody murder.

Now when Italian Americans get upset all of sudden they are too PC and they should take the shit? Fuck that.

What about the Gays and the way a lot of you put them down? Fuck there are even people on this forum that call gays evil and abominations. Are gays not supposed to get upset about that?

If there was show putting women in a extremely negative light NOW would be screaming bloody murder as well.

Fuck you guys are either the most insensitive fucks this side of the sun or you fail to realize that either everybody is off limits or everybody is fair game. Until that is so the rest is bullshit.

As of right now not everyone in society is fair game therefor no one should be fair game. Period!

It happens to bother me that MTV is promoting this kinda of bullshit. It happens to bother me that there are jack asses out there giving my heritage and extremely bad name.

I could introduce you to several black people that were not the least but impressed by the blackxploitation films of the 70's. Did it make it right they were made by blacks? No. Did it piss some black people off for portraying them in extremely negative light? Yes.

If this show was a comedian doing comedy like Chappelle it would be different. Its not.

QUOTE=Bubbles;3187976]Priceless.[/QUOTE]

Oh and Bubbles you have already proven yourself to be an clueless idiot as it is. So I suggest you keep your mouth shut with your douche bag worthy insinuations.
Mister I do I facial with a avacado mask and thinks its strange when a women looks around the corner and see's you in your boxer briefs.

[keistyle]

This show reminds me of "Gang Land."

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

sounds like the parents failed then huh...

Its not so much the parents failed Steve. Fact is Italian Americans came to the U.S.Their parents taught them to learn the language of their adopted country and be proud to be Americans.

They assimilated into the American culture and became Americans. Some of us learned to hold onto our heritage and be proud of it as well as being proud of being Americans.

Others just learned to be American and did not identify enough with the culture to care. They also intermarried with other cultures . Its not so much a failure just something that happens. Germans, Irish, Lithunians, etc the list is long most no longer identify with the culture of their ancestral homelands. They do identify with being Americans.

Of the Europeans Italians were a later group than a lot of the above so some of us hold the culture. Look at Armenians and Russians and eastern europeans a lot of them hold their culture right now being some of the newest of European immigrants and they do get stereotyped for it as the Italians did.

Oh and I will say this yes the parents of these jack asses on the east coast do seem to have failed its sad but its not the norm. Its just not a thing MTV should be putting out but then of course MTV puts out nothing but Garbage anyways these days. That network needs to die.

[sw20>>s14]

take it easy and dont blow a gasket...i started a race thread rich with content and got blasted...your words are falling on deaf ears...keep it for somewhere or sometime else...

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by sw20>>s14

take it easy and dont blow a gasket...i started a race thread rich with content and got blasted...your words are falling on deaf ears...keep it for somewhere or sometime else...

Oh trust me I am far from angry. I am just making a point but you are probably right on the deaf ears part. It sucks really.

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

If there was a show that was a reality type show about black people being thugs and shootings drugs and killing people the NAACP would be screaming bloody murder. If there was a show about Mexicans portraying them in an extremely negative light they would be screaming bloody murder.

meet the browns
george lopez show
carlos mencia show
madea movies
southpark
all those shows/movies have reflected most of fucked up shit per there depiction of there race...and there still aired, and just like this show, some people complain about them...

i dont need to go on...shit happens...

theres more than one side to everything, sorry to say for you the comically relieved populous is here...

personally, good/great comedy is best when it reflects life...this show, well pretty much for me and many, is a comedy,

was it fucked up that the chick got punch...yeah, was it funny to an extent, yeah, does the show promote Italians as nothing but violent people, no man, cmon, only narrow minded fools think that...

if your angry, write a letter, protest it, do something more than post in a car forum, other wise wats the point...


**fist pump**

[Vision Garage]

steve you would *fist pump* to end your comment. haha. Yes, the show is ment for comedy, its made to entertain.

Lets keep this rolling.

[Touge Noob S13]

Dave, have you ever been discriminated because of your ancestery? I don't think i've ever heard of modern day Italian discrimination. I know that Italians were targeted back in the day but now? The closest thing to discrimination towards Italians that I have seen is when Hispanic-looking ones are called Mexican.

[SexPanda]

Wow all this shit about getting up in arms about where you trace your lines back.

As an American with Irish citizenship as far as Ireland is concerned, I find it a little offensive when someone asks me how much guinness I can drink. Whats even worse is that I can down 5 or 6 bottles guinness because its delicious lol. Too bad its so damn thick and filling. I don't get my panties all in a bunch when someone makes a leprechaun joke or a "O'insertnamehere" joke. I think most people with half a brain realize tools like the Italian-Americans on that show are the minority, and most italian americans are upstanding decent people... like most Irish americans.

And to clear up any questions: I do drink, I am a lightweight, and I don't speak Gaelic lol.

[ronmcdon]

Idk about the race thing.
I've always thought the 'such & such' culture was just reflective of a type of Jersey youth thats been around for generations.

Then again, is really such a terrible group per say?
It's not like the kids are out to hurt ppl.
They act & look silly (who doesn't?), but it's relatively harmless.
Likewise, ppl who watch this aren't likely to react with hostility against the given group.

Of course, it's not fair for anyone of us to presume that anything that isn't offensive to us,
won't be to others (however minor we might consider).
opinions about something like this are just going to be controversial and varied.

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by Vision Garage

steve you would *fist pump* to end your comment. haha. Yes, the show is ment for comedy, its made to entertain.

lol...it came naturally

[WanganRunner]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

yor everybody is fair game.

^^
This


Anyway, I think it's hysterical. They're self-labeled *SNIP*. I'm a self-labeled *SNIP*. We're all something or other.

I don't think it's at all offensive because I don't think that the show is attempting to label all Italian Americans as being in any way similar to these protein-chomping lipgloss-wearing greasy douchebags.

The fact that 99% of Italian Americans are perfectly upstanding doesn't make these idiots any less douchey any more than it makes John Gotti more respectable. Every population has it's outliers. Can't we make fun of them all together?


Honestly, while MTV apparently tried to get an all Italian American cast (a mistake, IMO), there are LOTS of people in that area that pick up the *SNIP* lifestyle without being of that lineage. It's a geographical phenomenon, not really an ethnic phenomenon. I've met Anglo-Saxon, Persian, and Indian fist-pumping collar-popping Staten Island fuckwads too.

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[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by WanganRunner

^^
This


Anyway, I think it's hysterical. They're self-labeled *SNIP*. I'm a self-labeled *SNIP*. We're all something or other.

I don't think it's at all offensive because I don't think that the show is attempting to label all Italian Americans as being in any way similar to these protein-chomping lipgloss-wearing greasy douchebags.

The fact that 99% of Italian Americans are perfectly upstanding doesn't make these idiots any less douchey any more than it makes John Gotti more respectable. Every population has it's outliers. Can't we make fun of them all together?


Honestly, while MTV apparently tried to get an all Italian American cast (a mistake, IMO), there are LOTS of people in that area that pick up the *SNIP* lifestyle without being of that lineage. It's a geographical phenomenon, not really an ethnic phenomenon. I've met Anglo-Saxon, Persian, and Indian fist-pumping collar-popping Staten Island fuckwads too.

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[wh0aitznic0]

Black screen.

I wanna see domestic violence, dammit!