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S14Speed997 · 11-12-2003, 10:04 AM

My stock T/C rod looks good, just my stock bushings are leaking.
Do the aftermarket (whiteline) bushings just pop right into stock rod?
I saw a couple options on www.pdm-racing.com

I would prefer to just get the bushings, any comments? thanks in advance

Eric

stp9154 · 11-12-2003, 10:32 AM

Not that easy to get new bushings in. My friend and i had a hard time doing that, but we eventually got them in. For me, i would rather get a new set of rods after spending some times with my friend on his car (bushings.)

Wei240 · 11-12-2003, 11:35 AM

i got the bushings from pdm, took it to my mechanic, it's a bitch to get the old bushings out, make sure a shop has a vice or have really good tools.

search either here or f/a, there's a couple really detailed thread on this.

personally, i wished i bought the kazaama, tien, or any aftermarket t/c (the one's without bushings), check the group buys section, i think there's some on sale now (or was on sale). it's such a easy install without dealing with the bushings.

in either case, get an alignment afterwards...

mbmbmb23 · 11-12-2003, 06:16 PM

http://www.240sx.org/atlanta/TC_bushing_install.htm

andrave · 11-12-2003, 11:04 PM

my machine shop pressed mine in for like 20 bucks, it was a lot cheaper than replacing the TC rods and mine were in terrific shape.
they make a big diff by the way.

holisticbeatz · 11-13-2003, 01:32 AM

The Whiteline tension rod bushings from PDM-Racing seem a bit expensive compared to the ones made by Energy Suspension. Check 'em out here: http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchan...e=99995-77105G

I was planning to swap out the bushings prior to getting an alignment for my S14. However, due to an untimely accident, I decided to go with a set of Tanabe adjustable tension rods. They're a lot more beefy and durable. They also offer a wide range of adjustabliity I have yet to explore.

My $0.02

andrave · 11-13-2003, 01:58 AM

do a search, the whiteline are tapered, the energy ones aren't, supposedly they crack the TC rod after time.

I am glad I didn't go with spherical bushings since my car rides hard over expansion joints just with the poly bushings all around. spherical must be a real nut slapper.

I just checked those energy ones out, they are only like what, 8 bucks cheaper? not big enough to make a difference.

S14Speed997 · 11-13-2003, 06:53 AM

Thanks alot guys, I appreciate your info!
I had a feeling it would be a pain to get the bushings out and in..
I think I am going to buy OEM rods/bushings from PDM.
Thanks again

Eric

andrave · 11-13-2003, 09:51 AM

but oem bushings suck. You can get whiteline bushings pressed in for around the same price...
you have to take the opportunity to upgrade your car when you get it. The poly bushings make a big difference.

S14Speed997 · 11-13-2003, 10:18 AM

So its worth the hassel then? I have a shop that will put in the new rods/bushings for a "friend discount price". I just dont want to be an a$$ and bring him something that takes 2 hours instead of a half hour.

Eric

Dousan_PG · 11-13-2003, 10:25 AM

why OEM
go aftermarket
you get some adjustment if you like, no bushing, streetability discomfort..next to nothing over stock (feels nearly same)

anyways..
let's see

pdm-racing.com
oem tc rod and bushing: $71.50 for 1
whiteline bushing in tc rod: $103.5 for 1

aftermarket:
splparts.com: $161 for 2

now if your ONLY buying the bushing, then go for it, but if your buying the whole TC rod..

S14Speed997 · 11-13-2003, 10:39 AM

Holy crap, I have never seen these before (SPL tension rods S14/S15 $161)
So no rubber bushing...anybody using these now?

Dousan_PG · 11-13-2003, 10:40 AM

yea
LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of folks
very very common upgrade to go w/ aftermarket TC rods
very common

kazama, tein, spl, project silvia (check that out too, might be cheaper)

JasonNagra · 11-13-2003, 10:56 AM

Most all of my adjustable parts are from SPL(including T/C Rods), very high quality and great service. O ya good price too. Don't get ass raped for a big name when SPL is JUST as good.

S14Speed997 · 11-13-2003, 11:07 AM

Looks like you guys sold me on those SPL rods!! Thanks alot for all the tips on these,
one las thing, I see that they look adjustable..Should I just make them the same length as my current rods, or is there somewhere I can read up on this to understand adjusting?..thanks a bunch

Eric

Dousan_PG · 11-13-2003, 11:16 AM

i would add caster
when you get aligment just add like 1 or 2 degrees

stock i think is 5 degrees..
mine right now are 7.25 i think...but still rub when at the track drifting so going back to 8 degrees

id say a bit more caster would be nice. its your call. dont have to but if you might as well. if you dont like it, go back to stock. doesnt hurt to try!

good luck!

WongFeiHung · 11-13-2003, 12:12 PM

You can pick up the projectsilvia ones on ebay for like $150 I think and they have the oil/lube nipple thing...Had them installed for a couple weeks now, very happy, easy install...

Steeles · 11-13-2003, 12:45 PM

HA I've got one stock TC rod and one URAS adjustable. and even shortened all the way the URAS is longer than the stock one. so I got like .5 to 1 degree more caster on the drivers side than the passenger. feels kinda funny. I gotta order new tc rods. I'm tempted to get kazamas since all my oters are kazama and the red will match soo nicely... either that or get SPLs and powdercoat um

*sykikchimp* · 11-13-2003, 01:58 PM

I agree with dousan, little to no difference in ride quality with spherical bearings.

I run 8 degree's of caster. Takes a bit more steering effort, but makes the car corner better, and more stable.

Steeles - positive caster will move the wheel forward in the wheel well. A shorter T/C rod should increase caster...

note on poly bushes.. they don't like twisting. The whiteline units being tapered helps, but MAKE SURE, TRIPLE SURE, that you put LOTS of the grease b/w the insert sleeve (that the mounting bolt goes through), and the bushing itself. Once tightened down, the sleeve will not twist, and the poly bushing will need to twist AROUND the sleeve. if it can't, it will eventually tear the T/C rod out of your control arm, and you will have to buy new control arms, and possibly new t/c rods as well. Rubber bushings, and Spherical bearings do not have this problem

Also - I own the dspeed t/c rods from PS and they suck. The bearings are rusting, and don't move real well any more. I'm going to be replacing mine soon. I would recommend something with a rubber boot on the bearing, or make sure the spherical bearings are Teflon impregnated.

holisticbeatz · 11-13-2003, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
i would add caster
when you get aligment just add like 1 or 2 degrees

stock i think is 5 degrees..
mine right now are 7.25 i think...but still rub when at the track drifting so going back to 8 degrees

id say a bit more caster would be nice. its your call. dont have to but if you might as well. if you dont like it, go back to stock. doesnt hurt to try! good luck!

How did you measure +2.25 degrees over stock?

Also, to add a higher degree of caster, I decrease the length of the tension rod, correct?

Dousan_PG · 11-13-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by holisticbeatz
How did you measure +2.25 degrees over stock?

its called:

alignment shop

holisticbeatz · 11-13-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
its called:

alignment shop

So how much caster would be desirable? +3 degrees over stock?

Dousan_PG · 11-13-2003, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by holisticbeatz
So how much caster would be desirable? +3 degrees over stock?

you should try READING the thread.

Steeles · 11-14-2003, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sykikchimp

Steeles - positive caster will move the wheel forward in the wheel well. A shorter T/C rod should increase caster...

true.. so wait.. umm now Im wondering WTF the alignment guy told Jason.... ahh well crap.. I aint worried about it. I'll order new adjustables here soon anyway. and have it realigned back to at least my 6.5 my go higher after listening to you and Dousan. 7.5 or so. we'll see.

*sykikchimp* · 11-14-2003, 08:53 AM

according to the back of my FSM, stock caster is 6* - 7.5*

http://charles.sykikchimp.org/quickref.html

Dousan_PG · 11-14-2003, 08:55 AM

ooh i c
thanks! then i need more haha
it still rubs at full counter..annoying

11-12-2003, 10:04 AM	#1
S14Speed997 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 45 Posts: 527 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Replace whole T/C rod, or just bushing?? My stock T/C rod looks good, just my stock bushings are leaking. Do the aftermarket (whiteline) bushings just pop right into stock rod? I saw a couple options on www.pdm-racing.com I would prefer to just get the bushings, any comments? thanks in advance Eric __________________ I love signatures that aren't over 400x200!

11-12-2003, 06:16 PM	#4
mbmbmb23 Zilvia Contributor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC. Posts: 1,776 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: mbmbmb23 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	http://www.240sx.org/atlanta/TC_bushing_install.htm __________________ 400x200

11-13-2003, 01:32 AM	#6
holisticbeatz Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 988 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The Whiteline tension rod bushings from PDM-Racing seem a bit expensive compared to the ones made by Energy Suspension. Check 'em out here: http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchan...e=99995-77105G I was planning to swap out the bushings prior to getting an alignment for my S14. However, due to an untimely accident, I decided to go with a set of Tanabe adjustable tension rods. They're a lot more beefy and durable. They also offer a wide range of adjustabliity I have yet to explore. My $0.02 __________________ Trust and I don't mean GReddy.

11-13-2003, 01:58 AM	#7
andrave BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Burton WV Posts: 2,350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	do a search, the whiteline are tapered, the energy ones aren't, supposedly they crack the TC rod after time. I am glad I didn't go with spherical bushings since my car rides hard over expansion joints just with the poly bushings all around. spherical must be a real nut slapper. I just checked those energy ones out, they are only like what, 8 bucks cheaper? not big enough to make a difference. Last edited by andrave; 11-13-2003 at 02:18 AM..

11-13-2003, 06:53 AM	#8
S14Speed997 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 45 Posts: 527 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks alot guys, I appreciate your info! I had a feeling it would be a pain to get the bushings out and in.. I think I am going to buy OEM rods/bushings from PDM. Thanks again Eric __________________ I love signatures that aren't over 400x200!

11-12-2003, 10:32 AM	#2
stp9154 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not that easy to get new bushings in. My friend and i had a hard time doing that, but we eventually got them in. For me, i would rather get a new set of rods after spending some times with my friend on his car (bushings.)

11-12-2003, 11:35 AM	#3
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i got the bushings from pdm, took it to my mechanic, it's a bitch to get the old bushings out, make sure a shop has a vice or have really good tools. search either here or f/a, there's a couple really detailed thread on this. personally, i wished i bought the kazaama, tien, or any aftermarket t/c (the one's without bushings), check the group buys section, i think there's some on sale now (or was on sale). it's such a easy install without dealing with the bushings. in either case, get an alignment afterwards...

11-12-2003, 11:04 PM	#5
andrave BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Burton WV Posts: 2,350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my machine shop pressed mine in for like 20 bucks, it was a lot cheaper than replacing the TC rods and mine were in terrific shape. they make a big diff by the way.

11-13-2003, 09:51 AM	#9
andrave BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Burton WV Posts: 2,350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	but oem bushings suck. You can get whiteline bushings pressed in for around the same price... you have to take the opportunity to upgrade your car when you get it. The poly bushings make a big difference.

11-13-2003, 10:18 AM	#10
S14Speed997 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 45 Posts: 527 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So its worth the hassel then? I have a shop that will put in the new rods/bushings for a "friend discount price". I just dont want to be an a$$ and bring him something that takes 2 hours instead of a half hour. Eric __________________ I love signatures that aren't over 400x200!

11-13-2003, 10:25 AM	#11
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	why OEM go aftermarket you get some adjustment if you like, no bushing, streetability discomfort..next to nothing over stock (feels nearly same) anyways.. let's see pdm-racing.com oem tc rod and bushing: $71.50 for 1 whiteline bushing in tc rod: $103.5 for 1 aftermarket: splparts.com: $161 for 2 now if your ONLY buying the bushing, then go for it, but if your buying the whole TC rod.. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-13-2003, 10:39 AM	#12
S14Speed997 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 45 Posts: 527 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Holy crap, I have never seen these before (SPL tension rods S14/S15 $161) So no rubber bushing...anybody using these now? __________________ I love signatures that aren't over 400x200!

11-13-2003, 10:40 AM	#13
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yea LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of folks very very common upgrade to go w/ aftermarket TC rods very common kazama, tein, spl, project silvia (check that out too, might be cheaper) __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-13-2003, 10:56 AM	#14
JasonNagra Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 1,349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Most all of my adjustable parts are from SPL(including T/C Rods), very high quality and great service. O ya good price too. Don't get ass raped for a big name when SPL is JUST as good. __________________ http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/f9dc7664.jpg Edit: check your link.

11-13-2003, 11:07 AM	#15
S14Speed997 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 45 Posts: 527 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks like you guys sold me on those SPL rods!! Thanks alot for all the tips on these, one las thing, I see that they look adjustable..Should I just make them the same length as my current rods, or is there somewhere I can read up on this to understand adjusting?..thanks a bunch Eric __________________ I love signatures that aren't over 400x200!

11-13-2003, 11:16 AM	#16
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	i would add caster when you get aligment just add like 1 or 2 degrees stock i think is 5 degrees.. mine right now are 7.25 i think...but still rub when at the track drifting so going back to 8 degrees id say a bit more caster would be nice. its your call. dont have to but if you might as well. if you dont like it, go back to stock. doesnt hurt to try! good luck! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-13-2003, 12:12 PM	#17
WongFeiHung Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can pick up the projectsilvia ones on ebay for like $150 I think and they have the oil/lube nipple thing...Had them installed for a couple weeks now, very happy, easy install...

11-13-2003, 12:45 PM	#18
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 48 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	HA I've got one stock TC rod and one URAS adjustable. and even shortened all the way the URAS is longer than the stock one. so I got like .5 to 1 degree more caster on the drivers side than the passenger. feels kinda funny. I gotta order new tc rods. I'm tempted to get kazamas since all my oters are kazama and the red will match soo nicely... either that or get SPLs and powdercoat um __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

11-13-2003, 01:58 PM	#19
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree with dousan, little to no difference in ride quality with spherical bearings. I run 8 degree's of caster. Takes a bit more steering effort, but makes the car corner better, and more stable. Steeles - positive caster will move the wheel forward in the wheel well. A shorter T/C rod should increase caster... note on poly bushes.. they don't like twisting. The whiteline units being tapered helps, but MAKE SURE, TRIPLE SURE, that you put LOTS of the grease b/w the insert sleeve (that the mounting bolt goes through), and the bushing itself. Once tightened down, the sleeve will not twist, and the poly bushing will need to twist AROUND the sleeve. if it can't, it will eventually tear the T/C rod out of your control arm, and you will have to buy new control arms, and possibly new t/c rods as well. Rubber bushings, and Spherical bearings do not have this problem Also - I own the dspeed t/c rods from PS and they suck. The bearings are rusting, and don't move real well any more. I'm going to be replacing mine soon. I would recommend something with a rubber boot on the bearing, or make sure the spherical bearings are Teflon impregnated. __________________

11-14-2003, 08:53 AM	#25
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	according to the back of my FSM, stock caster is 6* - 7.5* http://charles.sykikchimp.org/quickref.html __________________

11-14-2003, 08:55 AM	#26
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	ooh i c thanks! then i need more haha it still rubs at full counter..annoying __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira