tein pillow tension rods vs kazama tc rods - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

FRpilot · 12-31-2003, 01:01 AM

are teins as beefy as the kazama units? ive seen pictures but i have the kazamas in my hand.. the kazamas look beefier than they do in the pictures online so are the teins actually beefy as well in real life than in pictures? anyone compare them? are tein pillow tension/compression rods even as good as the other ones out on the market (cusco, battle version, kazama, etc. etc.?)

omen2853 · 12-31-2003, 01:08 AM

i havent tried the teins on my car but i did look at both at the same time and went with the kazama cause they are definately beefier than the teins. hope this helps.

AutoRnD · 12-31-2003, 02:12 PM

well... i have installed both the kazama and tein's and the kazama was lighter and stronger
the tein's were quite a bit heavier...

Dousan_PG · 12-31-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Ard josh
well... i have installed both the kazama and tein's and the kazama was lighter and stronger
the tein's were quite a bit heavier...

how do you know it was stronger? how did you test such?

***S14DB*** · 12-31-2003, 04:28 PM

I think it comes down to brand loyalty or what's you favorite color. It only has one function to hold you control arm in place. All of them are stronger than stock. Get a Nismo power brace if you are that conserned about keeping it in place.

AutoRnD · 01-02-2004, 12:49 PM

why... cuz ive smacked a curb with the tein's and the kazama's and the tein's broke
=)

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Ard josh
why... cuz ive smacked a curb with the tein's and the kazama's and the tein's broke
=)

so you hit the curb at the exact same speed angle and all that..exact same conditions?

c'mon.

hurleyboi514 · 01-02-2004, 12:59 PM

they are probably no better than any other TC rod, there isnt much to one... id just got the splparts.com TC rods myself...

***S14DB*** · 01-02-2004, 01:07 PM

I got Project Silvia ones. Nice and black.

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 01:08 PM

i have the splparts.com ones
replacing my old tein ones (1.5+ years old)
they are nicer then the tein but they serve the same purpose, im more curious on overall adjustability. not sure (never tested) where the tein maxes out at..most i ran was 8 degrees caster
im going to run 9 w/ the SPlparts.com one

should work out fine.

Halz · 01-02-2004, 01:44 PM

Will the lower control arm bushing start to bind when upwards of 8 degrees caster are dialed in?
...anything in the works to reduce SAI?

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halz
Will the lower control arm bushing start to bind when upwards of 8 degrees caster are dialed in?
...anything in the works to reduce SAI?

well i do have adjustable front lower control arms shortly
these:

you know alot more about that stuff then me, wont that fix any problems?

also have adjustable tie rod end links too (fyi)

also what does SAI mean?

i should order the FLCA next month or following. i just ordered my rear toe link (for s14) and forward rear link (for s14) today..so sorta strapped. fortunately being sonsored helps A LOT on costs so its not totally painful, but still leaves a nice dent.

good stuff. splparts.com rocks!

hurleyboi514 · 01-02-2004, 02:07 PM

your sponsored by splparts? that'd be helpful for sure...

Steeles · 01-02-2004, 02:07 PM

Dousan I hate you lol I need new TC rods! hehe that curb killed my Uras ones. the stock one I switched too has blown its bushing lol

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 02:12 PM

hurleyboi514: yeah splparts.com helps dorifto_pg and me out on the car stuff. they are super cool. both our cars are going to be pretty nuts in 2004 hehehe

steeles: i would sell you my Tein, but they are going to fellow PG'er Janet (itsybitsy240sxey)...my favorite girl drifter USDM style hehe..

. she also took my old subframe spacers (dupree ones) i know haev SPL ones (8 set) on there..just bottoms though, top going on w/ s15 subframe

Steeles · 01-02-2004, 02:24 PM

accck S14 anyway

jason's buying the new set unless he gets the PFC off yaooo japan auction for me...weird trade I know but if the price is right he'll get the SAFC i got form you too and we'll be about square lol. but those control arms are looking sweet. i want a set eventually.

***S14DB*** · 01-02-2004, 03:44 PM

WTF is Duralumin?

***S14DB*** · 01-02-2004, 03:47 PM

OH, Fancy Aluminum.
http://reference.allrefer.com/encycl.../duralumi.html

NiteKids · 01-02-2004, 04:27 PM

i did not bother to read any of that but Kazama is better and tein is gay.

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by NiteKids
i did not bother to read any of that but Kazama is better and tein is gay.

takes one to know one, right? hahaha

Flybert · 01-02-2004, 05:14 PM

Anoter good thing about the SPLparts TC rods is that they give you a one year warranty on the bushing.

Also, you can't go wrong with the bling of polished aluminum.

Aaron, you are a bastard. I would kill to get the rest of SPL's stuff but can't afford it right now. I'd kill to get my F'ing helmet that got jacked as well.

Halz · 01-02-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dousan_PG
well i do have adjustable front lower control arms shortly
these:
http://www.splparts.com/S13/Suspensi...ntLowerArm.jpg

you know alot more about that stuff then me, wont that fix any problems?

also have adjustable tie rod end links too (fyi)

also what does SAI mean?

i should order the FLCA next month or following. i just ordered my rear toe link (for s14) and forward rear link (for s14) today..so sorta strapped. fortunately being sonsored helps A LOT on costs so its not totally painful, but still leaves a nice dent. good stuff. splparts.com rocks!

Ahyes. Rod-ends will definitely eliminate bind from increasing caster far beyond the stock specs.

SAI is 'steering axis inclination' (also called KPI, kingpin inclination). The axis is from the lower control arm ball-joint to the upper strut mount bearing.. basically, the 'caster' angle viewed from the front/rear of the car; how much the strut is tilted towards the engine. On our mcpherson strut cars, camber adjusted with camber plates is directly related to SAI; more camber on the plate will increase the SAI.

SAI and caster are directly related. Caster promotes the correct cambering of the wheel when its turned, while SAI reduces the effects of caster.
Just search around google for 'kingpin inclination' or 'steering axis inclination'

On an aside.. would you consider relocating the control arm mounting point to above the stock mounting point? (yep, drilling holes in the frame basically). The rod-end has a much smaller foot-print than the stock control arm so it could move up maybe as much as 1". Doing so would be the ultimate way in reducing the center of gravity, and better retaining suspension stroke while keeping the geometry decent.

I really hope the car gets aligned by a race car prep shop before its taken seriously; there is only so much that can be done with DIY alignments in a reasonable amount of time; checking bump steer, scrub radius, ackerman, caster, SAI, corner weights.. pain in the ass. And sure, once the car is initially setup, small changes are practical and expected.

Dousan_PG · 01-02-2004, 07:37 PM

hmm relocated the FLCA..interesting. im crazy enough to try it. i got extra cross membesr so no worries

thanks! i need to read more about all that business!

yaeh car gets cornerweighted soon and race alignment shop, the one i got to has been doing race cars for many many years. so he helps a lot.

12-31-2003, 02:12 PM	#3
AutoRnD Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF BAY AREA, CA Posts: 2,601 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: AutoRnD Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well... i have installed both the kazama and tein's and the kazama was lighter and stronger the tein's were quite a bit heavier... __________________ www.AutoRnD.com Nardi, Enkei, Stance, AME Master Distributors for USA Check Out Our Facebook!

12-31-2003, 04:28 PM	#5
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I think it comes down to brand loyalty or what's you favorite color. It only has one function to hold you control arm in place. All of them are stronger than stock. Get a Nismo power brace if you are that conserned about keeping it in place. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

01-02-2004, 12:49 PM	#6
AutoRnD Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SF BAY AREA, CA Posts: 2,601 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: AutoRnD Feedback Score: 1 reviews	why... cuz ive smacked a curb with the tein's and the kazama's and the tein's broke =) __________________ www.AutoRnD.com Nardi, Enkei, Stance, AME Master Distributors for USA Check Out Our Facebook!

01-02-2004, 12:59 PM	#8
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	they are probably no better than any other TC rod, there isnt much to one... id just got the splparts.com TC rods myself... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

01-02-2004, 01:07 PM	#9
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I got Project Silvia ones. Nice and black. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-31-2003, 01:08 AM	#2
omen2853 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: california, usa Age: 44 Posts: 316 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i havent tried the teins on my car but i did look at both at the same time and went with the kazama cause they are definately beefier than the teins. hope this helps.

01-02-2004, 01:08 PM	#10
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	i have the splparts.com ones replacing my old tein ones (1.5+ years old) they are nicer then the tein but they serve the same purpose, im more curious on overall adjustability. not sure (never tested) where the tein maxes out at..most i ran was 8 degrees caster im going to run 9 w/ the SPlparts.com one should work out fine. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

01-02-2004, 01:44 PM	#11
Halz BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: bay area Age: 41 Posts: 214 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Will the lower control arm bushing start to bind when upwards of 8 degrees caster are dialed in? ...anything in the works to reduce SAI?

01-02-2004, 02:07 PM	#13
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	your sponsored by splparts? that'd be helpful for sure... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

01-02-2004, 02:07 PM	#14
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 48 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dousan I hate you lol I need new TC rods! hehe that curb killed my Uras ones. the stock one I switched too has blown its bushing lol __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

01-02-2004, 02:12 PM	#15
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hurleyboi514: yeah splparts.com helps dorifto_pg and me out on the car stuff. they are super cool. both our cars are going to be pretty nuts in 2004 hehehe steeles: i would sell you my Tein, but they are going to fellow PG'er Janet (itsybitsy240sxey)...my favorite girl drifter USDM style hehe... she also took my old subframe spacers (dupree ones) i know haev SPL ones (8 set) on there..just bottoms though, top going on w/ s15 subframe __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

01-02-2004, 02:24 PM	#16
Steeles Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 7th layer of hell, special pit of anger Age: 48 Posts: 3,785 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	accck S14 anyway jason's buying the new set unless he gets the PFC off yaooo japan auction for me...weird trade I know but if the price is right he'll get the SAFC i got form you too and we'll be about square lol. but those control arms are looking sweet. i want a set eventually. __________________ Keeping it Godzira bishes. So I murdered another turbo

01-02-2004, 03:44 PM	#17
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	SPL Parts WTF is Duralumin?

01-02-2004, 03:47 PM	#18
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	OH, Fancy Aluminum. http://reference.allrefer.com/encycl.../duralumi.html

01-02-2004, 04:27 PM	#19
NiteKids BANNED Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Socal Posts: 1,223 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i did not bother to read any of that but Kazama is better and tein is gay.

01-02-2004, 05:14 PM	#21
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Anoter good thing about the SPLparts TC rods is that they give you a one year warranty on the bushing. Also, you can't go wrong with the bling of polished aluminum. Aaron, you are a bastard. I would kill to get the rest of SPL's stuff but can't afford it right now. I'd kill to get my F'ing helmet that got jacked as well.

01-02-2004, 07:37 PM	#23
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	hmm relocated the FLCA..interesting. im crazy enough to try it. i got extra cross membesr so no worries thanks! i need to read more about all that business! yaeh car gets cornerweighted soon and race alignment shop, the one i got to has been doing race cars for many many years. so he helps a lot. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira