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BlkS14Drifter · 02-02-2011, 02:03 PM

Just like the title says!!

I have a S13 Redtop L-Jetro Power FC w/ Commander asking 800 Obo..

It will only work on a REDTOP Sr not a blacktop....

send me a pm or txt me at 818-398-5857

Pics

Here are some pics to show that it works!!!! these were taken on monday 2/7/11 with my friends Redtop Sr.

jacobs13 · 02-02-2011, 04:00 PM

It should work with a blacktop too, im using a redtop ecu and harness on my blacktop

BlkS14Drifter · 02-02-2011, 04:38 PM

well my ecu is a e5 and my car works fine with it, but i put this power fc and my car just cranks.... the commander doesnt even turn on.... well i guess my blacktop dont like it...lol oh well if anyone has any ideas on what i might be missing please let me know...

KaminaSan · 02-02-2011, 04:42 PM

Defective unit?

blacktop/redtops should be interchangeable... the only difference would be the 02 sensor afaik.

I'd also like to learn more about this.

BlkS14Drifter · 02-02-2011, 05:44 PM

ya I thought that to..if they were interchangable why would apexi sell them per year for the sr20 and have the same part#! But it set thru years

this how it reads on there site!!

414BN014 is for 180sx 1991-1994 redtop...is the one that i have!
414BN015 180sx 1994-1996.....the one that I need

BlkS14Drifter · 02-02-2011, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobs13

It should work with a blacktop too, im using a redtop ecu and harness on my blacktop

I have found that some of ecu's are interchangeable, but i dont think that the power fc are... please correct me if im wrong!

waste_of_space · 02-02-2011, 05:49 PM

I think theres only a few wires that are different (3 total iirc)
But I remember reading about pfc's not turning on if you were missing one of the ecu relays? Or something weird like that. Like your stock ecu will run fine if it only has one of the two, but PFC needs both to work.
Check the power wire of the PFC to make sure it's turning on. I bet your unit is fine, it's probably just a something as simple as no power going to the unit.

KaminaSan · 02-02-2011, 11:52 PM

Anyone care to chime in on this?

Reason I ask, is because I have an s13 blacktop harness/ecu/engine in my car atm.

However, I'm going to be swapping in an s13 fully built redtop. If I use the blacktop harness/sensors/ecu it should be fine right?

What about a blacktop harness, with redtop ECU?

waste_of_space · 02-03-2011, 12:35 AM

I've for sure, on several occasions, swapped between e5 and 62 ecu's with no known problems.
If you have a kouki/type x blacktop, then you'll need that specific harness I believe.

jacobs13 · 02-03-2011, 10:16 AM

Yeah ive interchanged blacktop and redtop harness on my blacktop with no problems. I had a pgc but it fried. So I when I bought a new one someone sold me one for a type x motor which didnt let my motor crank because a few wires are different on the pinout. The blacktop and redtop differences are pretty much just the o2 sensors, redtop is skinny style while blacktop is the fat style, or the other way around I cant remember.

BlkS14Drifter · 02-03-2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste_of_space

I think theres only a few wires that are different (3 total iirc)
But I remember reading about pfc's not turning on if you were missing one of the ecu relays? Or something weird like that. Like your stock ecu will run fine if it only has one of the two, but PFC needs both to work.
Check the power wire of the PFC to make sure it's turning on. I bet your unit is fine, it's probably just a something as simple as no power going to the unit.

Ive heard that too, but dont know where the ecu relay is.... =(

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaminaSan

Anyone care to chime in on this?

Reason I ask, is because I have an s13 blacktop harness/ecu/engine in my car atm.

However, I'm going to be swapping in an s13 fully built redtop. If I use the blacktop harness/sensors/ecu it should be fine right?

What about a blacktop harness, with redtop ECU?

From talking to the people on here the stock ecu works for both redtop and blacktops.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobs13

Yeah ive interchanged blacktop and redtop harness on my blacktop with no problems. I had a pgc but it fried. So I when I bought a new one someone sold me one for a type x motor which didnt let my motor crank because a few wires are different on the pinout. The blacktop and redtop differences are pretty much just the o2 sensors, redtop is skinny style while blacktop is the fat style, or the other way around I cant remember.

You are correct jacobs13 skinny o2 is for redtops and the fattys are for the blacktop, but for the most part they are the same just diff years.... Thats why i dont understand the diff in the power fc's.....

waste_of_space · 02-03-2011, 07:09 PM

I'd try searching around for it, or try contacting steve shadows, he seems to know about this.
Here's a link to one thread (it also has a link in it to anoter thread).
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3131...lp-needed.html

BlkS14Drifter · 02-09-2011, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste_of_space

I'd try searching around for it, or try contacting steve shadows, he seems to know about this.
Here's a link to one thread (it also has a link in it to anoter thread).
http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3131...lp-needed.html

Thx for the help, but i was able to get it to work on monday....

BlkS14Drifter · 02-09-2011, 11:04 AM

still for sale!!!! anyone?

airhead · 02-09-2011, 01:46 PM

UGHH wish i had the funds for this!

BlkS14Drifter · 02-11-2011, 02:29 PM

buyer fell tru! still for sell.......

S14_drift junkE · 02-11-2011, 02:47 PM

I have a redtop with a blacktop harness and ecu, runs just fine. I am im the market for a PFC, only ones for sale are for redtops. I contacted Steve as he will be tuning my car, and he didnt know if a redtop PFC would hook into my blacktop harness or not. I was on the phone with Apexi earlier but with little help as the PFC guy wasnt in office. ill be calling them all day until i get a specific answer to this.

BlkS14Drifter · 02-11-2011, 03:39 PM

Well from what i have lerned that the apaxi part # are diff from the one that i have and from the one that i need.... I dont know anyone that is using the a blktop harness with a redtop, so im to sure! the only thing that i know is that the prc that i have will not work with a blktop motor at all.... the pics that i posted are of my friends full redtop swap and it works fine.... If there is anyone that is local to the 661 that has a redtop with a blktop harness i would be instrusted in trying it out and see if it works....

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_drift junkE

I have a redtop with a blacktop harness and ecu, runs just fine. I am im the market for a PFC, only ones for sale are for redtops. I contacted Steve as he will be tuning my car, and he didnt know if a redtop PFC would hook into my blacktop harness or not. I was on the phone with Apexi earlier but with little help as the PFC guy wasnt in office. ill be calling them all day until i get a specific answer to this.

VNG704 · 02-12-2011, 07:26 AM

To help sell to a bigger crowd and for clarification: Blacktop chuki sr20det(ecu e5) and zenki sr20 aka redtop (62) are interchangeable. The kouki s13 sr20, also blacktop, is not interchangeable (j4, iirc) with the other s13 sr20 ecu.

Quote:

414-N014 91-93 S13/180SX BMC REDTOP & 414-N015 94-96 180SX MMC BLACKTOP can be used on redtop S13 Motors
-240sxmotoring.com link:Apexi Power FC for SR20DET L-Jetro

GLWS, let me know if you change your mind about the wheels, lol.

BlkS14Drifter · 02-16-2011, 11:30 AM

So no needs this power fc? or a trade for another standalone?

*wangan_cruiser* · 02-16-2011, 12:41 PM

guess pfc are turning into old school now.

BlkS14Drifter · 02-24-2011, 11:00 AM

no just the used ones....lol You can still get them new.....

Vatche · 02-24-2011, 11:26 AM

i sent you a pm, let me know

GUNMETALV35 · 03-28-2011, 01:45 PM

Has this been sold yet?

02-02-2011, 02:03 PM	#1
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	S13 Redtop L-Jetro Power FC w/ Commander Just like the title says!! I have a S13 Redtop L-Jetro Power FC w/ Commander asking 800 Obo.. It will only work on a REDTOP Sr not a blacktop.... send me a pm or txt me at 818-398-5857 Pics Here are some pics to show that it works!!!! these were taken on monday 2/7/11 with my friends Redtop Sr. __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018 Last edited by BlkS14Drifter; 02-09-2011 at 10:49 AM..

02-02-2011, 04:38 PM	#3
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	well my ecu is a e5 and my car works fine with it, but i put this power fc and my car just cranks.... the commander doesnt even turn on.... well i guess my blacktop dont like it...lol oh well if anyone has any ideas on what i might be missing please let me know... __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

02-02-2011, 05:44 PM	#5
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	ya I thought that to..if they were interchangable why would apexi sell them per year for the sr20 and have the same part#! But it set thru years this how it reads on there site!! 414BN014 is for 180sx 1991-1994 redtop...is the one that i have! 414BN015 180sx 1994-1996.....the one that I need __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

02-09-2011, 11:04 AM	#14
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	still for sale!!!! anyone? __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

02-09-2011, 01:46 PM	#15
airhead Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: IE/OC Posts: 1,885 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	UGHH wish i had the funds for this! __________________

02-02-2011, 04:00 PM	#2
jacobs13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 1,061 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	It should work with a blacktop too, im using a redtop ecu and harness on my blacktop

02-02-2011, 05:49 PM	#7
waste_of_space Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I think theres only a few wires that are different (3 total iirc) But I remember reading about pfc's not turning on if you were missing one of the ecu relays? Or something weird like that. Like your stock ecu will run fine if it only has one of the two, but PFC needs both to work. Check the power wire of the PFC to make sure it's turning on. I bet your unit is fine, it's probably just a something as simple as no power going to the unit.

02-03-2011, 12:35 AM	#9
waste_of_space Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I've for sure, on several occasions, swapped between e5 and 62 ecu's with no known problems. If you have a kouki/type x blacktop, then you'll need that specific harness I believe.

02-03-2011, 10:16 AM	#10
jacobs13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 1,061 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Yeah ive interchanged blacktop and redtop harness on my blacktop with no problems. I had a pgc but it fried. So I when I bought a new one someone sold me one for a type x motor which didnt let my motor crank because a few wires are different on the pinout. The blacktop and redtop differences are pretty much just the o2 sensors, redtop is skinny style while blacktop is the fat style, or the other way around I cant remember.

02-03-2011, 07:09 PM	#12
waste_of_space Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 657 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I'd try searching around for it, or try contacting steve shadows, he seems to know about this. Here's a link to one thread (it also has a link in it to anoter thread). http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/3131...lp-needed.html

02-11-2011, 02:29 PM	#16
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	buyer fell tru! still for sell....... __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

02-11-2011, 02:47 PM	#17
S14_drift junkE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vandenberg AFB aka Lompoc CA Posts: 507 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I have a redtop with a blacktop harness and ecu, runs just fine. I am im the market for a PFC, only ones for sale are for redtops. I contacted Steve as he will be tuning my car, and he didnt know if a redtop PFC would hook into my blacktop harness or not. I was on the phone with Apexi earlier but with little help as the PFC guy wasnt in office. ill be calling them all day until i get a specific answer to this.

02-16-2011, 11:30 AM	#20
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	So no needs this power fc? or a trade for another standalone? __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

02-16-2011, 12:41 PM	#21
wangan_cruiser kouki man Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: downtown oakland,ca Age: 40 Posts: 3,539 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	guess pfc are turning into old school now.

02-24-2011, 11:00 AM	#22
BlkS14Drifter Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cali. Age: 46 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	no just the used ones....lol You can still get them new..... __________________ Newhall Muffler & Fabrication (661)287-9018

03-28-2011, 01:45 PM	#24
GUNMETALV35 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 151 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Has this been sold yet?