Drift entrance techniques/form

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

That's the guy from roadsterdrift, forget his name.

Rob

word sux
do you have tubs? I wanna run more caster but it'll put my damn tires into the wells. i gotta hammer it more, but i still barely gain room

[Perfect Balance]

Originally Posted by word sux

smooth driving has more to do with the car setup. I used to flail around like my cabin was full of bees but since this past year I have had a good suspension setup and its sooo different.


I let the car steer itself allot more now, with stock caster its really hard to do that.

It has a bit to do with the setup, but I would definitely not say "more" to do with setup. The driver is far more critical in driving smoothly. If that was the case there would be a lot more smooth drivers out there, but there aren't. I mean there's always the decent driver who does a good job of predicting what the car will do and so he isn't trying to force the car into something, but if you watch videos of Taniguchi driving, he might as well be chilling on a couch while driving, he looks like he's hardly doing anything while nailing every entrance, apex and exit.


Interior shots starts at 3 min. Particularly the handbrake entry at 3:25.

[chiboy002]

what are those stick cameras they use? I see them on ALL the old option videos

[articdragon192]

Hmmm, hand brake entry with no clutch in, interesting. He's soooo smooth.

[chiboy002]

age old question
did the research but still have some questions, figured this thread would suffice

with a 1.5 way, if you do a nasty ebrake entry and let off the ebrake will it suddenly grip, clutch still in, or can you still slide a little bit?

[Brian]

handbrake with no clutch?!?!!

HOW?

[Perfect Balance]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

what are those stick cameras they use? I see them on ALL the old option videos

Had to do some digging, since I remembered those cameras from some videos that Alexi from Noriyaro posted on his blog a long ass time ago. Still don't know what it's called, but I believe it's the cameras shown in the beginning of this video. Excuse the sound.



Then again it doesn't film quite the same either. I dunno then.

EDIT: Yeah, that's entirely different, I thought the tube part was just part of the mount or something.

[JDMStanced]

i've tried 0 toe for both front and rear before. i felt that it's not so stable in the freeway. ALso the fact that my car slightly pulls to the right, i might try very little toe in..like .03

I use 17" wheels for drifting, both front and rear. So once i do swap to drift wheels, the alignment get messed anyways..lol i roll 19" daily.

[jiggysnitz]

So get it aligned with the 17s on.

[Aroddalobster]

I do remember in one of the older doriten video when Taniguchi explains his handbrake, he says he pulls it just enough to slow the car down and initiate, but not enough to lock up the wheels b/c then it'll look less awesome to the judges and they'll dock points off. he called it a "shuru-shuru-saido". Iirc, kazama also did the same technique.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by Brian

handbrake with no clutch?!?!!

HOW?

if you watch what he's doing he slows the rear down and slows the front down more, which will cause him to oversteer cause weight transfer

@ Perfect Balance
yeah thats like a contourHD

the ones they have are wierd, but good

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

if you watch what he's doing he slows the rear down and slows the front down more, which will cause him to oversteer cause weight transfer

@ Perfect Balance
yeah thats like a contourHD

the ones they have are wierd, but good

and if that didn't explain it enough, you watch him hit the brakes....pivots the front enough to let the rear lose a little traction, and when he turns in, it looks like he's just trying to slow down the rear rather than lock it up. Almost like he's only trying to brake on the rear tires.

In my head...all that does is bring his line in (for a front apex)

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by articdragon192

Hmmm, hand brake entry with no clutch in, interesting. He's soooo smooth.

Originally Posted by Brian

handbrake with no clutch?!?!!

HOW?

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed as well.

Originally Posted by JDMStanced

i've tried 0 toe for both front and rear before. i felt that it's not so stable in the freeway. ALso the fact that my car slightly pulls to the right, i might try very little toe in..like .03

I use 17" wheels for drifting, both front and rear. So once i do swap to drift wheels, the alignment get messed anyways..lol i roll 19" daily.

Swapping from 19's to 17's makes zero different in alignment, as long as you aren't raising / lowering your car from the coilovers.

By nature, little toe and/or wide wheels makes your car tram-line on the freeway/road. Just comes with the territory.

[Chuggy]

damn i love this thread

[fckillerbee]

off topic: as gay as that justin bieber dude is, his hair, and how he cries about shit....that dude is actually legit. I was watching him rap on big boys neighborhood, and holy fuck, I didn't even know it was him...that dude has some fucking skills.

[word sux]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

Rob

word sux
do you have tubs? I wanna run more caster but it'll put my damn tires into the wells. i gotta hammer it more, but i still barely gain room

for next season I will, I only have 7.3 caster and I still scrub the shit out of the wells.


alignment is all about trial and error





going up to 7.5 soon then 7.8 then maybe a full 8 if it still feels good

[articdragon192]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

and if that didn't explain it enough, you watch him hit the brakes....pivots the front enough to let the rear lose a little traction, and when he turns in, it looks like he's just trying to slow down the rear rather than lock it up. Almost like he's only trying to brake on the rear tires.

In my head...all that does is bring his line in (for a front apex)

Which is what he's doing, going for a front apex. Interesting, might wanna give that a try next time.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by word sux

for next season I will, I only have 7.3 caster and I still scrub the shit out of the wells.

ah ok
thanks man

yeah gotta look at my alignment sheet, i forgot what i have but i know i would like some more

[zneubauer]

Originally Posted by ILoveMyRHS13

Granny shifting, not double clutchin' like you should!

dude I almost had you!

[iamtheyi]

Originally Posted by zneubauer

dude I almost had you!

You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car...

oooo~~~

[Jared0934]

I run this alignment spec on my S13, this is done by Toshiki Yoshioka himself at DriftSpeed and um, I think it's safe to say he knows what he's doing :-)

[word sux]

Originally Posted by Jared0934

I run this alignment spec on my S13, this is done by Toshiki Yoshioka himself at DriftSpeed and um, I think it's safe to say he knows what he's doing :-)

I would bump you caster up to like 7.5 and see how you like it.

[Perfect Balance]

Looks to me like nothing was changed but the camber on the front right matched to the front left and then fixed the toe.

[Jared0934]

Part of the reason the alignment isn't as "extreme" as some is that I'm running stock KA :-). I had a slightly different set up on my 2JZ and yes caster in the rear exept for daily tire wear... my daily tire tread went down quicker than kim kardashian at a NAACP meet.

edit: Also no not much was changed from that because it was already good but I had adjusted the rite high and bumped it up a bit.

[word sux]

more caster up front isn't going to affect tread wear all the much and won't give you issues with an underpowered car. its going to help your transitions

[Jared0934]

I don't really understand the effects of negative caster in drifting. I can understand for the front but not for the rear. More negative caster increases the wheels natural camber when turning, so for driving I would "figure" that the rears set at 0 for most loss of traction would be optimal... Unless your running a high power car and using grippy tires like formula D / ProAM level then I can see the camber:grip coming in favor.. I don't know maybe a professional can enlighten me. Thanks :-)

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by word sux

more caster up front isn't going to affect tread wear all the much and won't give you issues with an underpowered car. its going to help your transitions

Caster has nothing to do with tire wear at all. Caster only affects how the car drives/steers.

[landins13]

First im like BAAAAAAAAAAA then i spin the and pull up then im like woaaaaaaaaaa ba ba ba ba wooooooooaaaaaa then i hit the and its like grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr skkkkiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrtttt ba ba ba ba waaaaaaaaaaaaa ba ba ba ab ba ba ba AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BAM!!!

And thats when i hit the wall and go home.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Since i dont really have the option to drift much since i cant afford track,gas, or part fees. i usually look a videos of interior and i try to predict what the drive is gonna do and over time you start to know what they are going to do in certain sitchuations so when your behind the wheel youll have an idea.. thats my plan atleast lol.

[word sux]

the only way you get good is seat time


watching a video and actually doing it is very different