SRT-4. Cool car, but what the hell!?

[WheelSpin18]

VW/Audi = Crap
Dodge = Crap
Ford = Crap
Mercedes? YAWN.

Rofl, ok old s13, time to put down that crack pipe.I was with you in thinking the srt-4 is a POS but now you just sound ignorant.You looooove your s13 soooo much yet you think a viper is "eh, ok".Yea RIIGGGGHHT,doesn't sound like a fanboy to me.I know for sure the viper does and will have more of a racing heritage than the s13 will ever have.Did the s13 win the 24 hours of le mans outright? Nope.Did nissan do it at all? Nope, only japanese manufaturer to do it is mazda.Now mercedes=yawn? LMFAO, yea mercedes has no heritage, right </sarcasm>.Ford=crap? Yup, by your judgement it has no heritage right? Yea,ok.Just because you are "pro-jdm tyteness" don't fuckin' hate on ford or w/e.They owned ferrari(who i bet u would say has no heritage and you would rather have an s13)for 4 straight years in the 60's at le mans(the most prestigious racing event.)And finally, vw/audi is crap too huh? Wow, so audi's GROUNDBREAKING RALLY QUATTRO add's no "heritage" to the company right? Ok how about the audi r8r that DOMINATED motorsports for about 5 years and still going strong.Won something like 4 le mans in a row and finished 1-2-3 like 2-3 times.


Just because its not nissan doesn't mean it sucks.If this is not what you believe i'm sorry but this is how you are coming across.Your "heritage" loving has no worth here, don't try to use that as a cover up because you obviously now nothing about it, thinking that ford,audi,merceds, etc suck.Have a nice day

[TRUENOCOUPE]

A 2004 Viper is an ultimate out of the dealer car. It has been proven. Whoever says DODGE is crap. You are on fucking crack ie poseur rice boy.

Name one that is better out of the Dealer? Porsche? ahhahah Lambo? ahhaha Ferrari? ahhahah

Ignorant.

[old_s13]

You guys are completely open to your own opinions.. doesnt bother me the least.

All I know is that if I was to compare BMW to Mercedes, I would take a BMW any day.

All I know is that if I was in the market and had a choice between a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini versus a DODGE viper or a CHEVY corvette, I wouldnt have to think twice.. I wouldnt buy something domestic, thats for sure.

If you guys just want performance, buy it. Its obvious what pleases you guys, you could be sitting behind the wheel of a rust-bucket with wheels and a phatass motor and you'de be happy.. great. That just doesnt cut it for me.

240SX or Ford Probe? Probe's were available turbo and had much more power, so yeah I guess the Probe is a great car.

Dodge Neon SRT-4 versus 350Z or WRX, yeah.. I'm REALLY going to consider the SRT-4.. great car for the money!

Like I said, if you want a "bargain" and dont care about details.. do your thang. Afterall, its YOUR money now isnt it.

[old_s13]

truenocoupe> A 2004 Viper is an ultimate out of the dealer car. It has been proven. Whoever says DODGE is crap. You are on fucking crack ie poseur rice boy.
Name one that is better out of the Dealer? Porsche? ahhahah Lambo? ahhaha Ferrari? ahhahah
Ignorant.

man dont even start with me, your ass is too young to even appreciate the free shit they give you in a cracker jack box.. let alone have the mental capacity to even compare a car.

Its not even about ripping on the viper, because I think its a good car.. when it works. amazing how i always hear about viper's having constant headaches and failures.. wow such a surprise! haha born in 1986 was it? jeeez...

[Var]

your ass is too young to even appreciate the free shit they give you in a cracker jack box.

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[sykikchimp]

Dodge simply has a differenct philosophy about building cars. If that philosophy doesn't mesh with yours, your not gonna like the cars they produce.

Cars are like women. Some have the goods, and the looks. Some don't have either. Your gonna hit what ever floats your boat. (or whatever you can affordat the time. lol)

[ryan hagen]

Originally Posted by matlock

it would whoop my ass on a straight stretch, but I don't drag or that (no offense to any drag racers) but let me ask you this what fun is a FF Car on some windy roads or on the track , Exactly so I will stick to my 240 haha. They can take their 240HP and I will take my 240SX muhahaha.

"who cares .. the car is a piece of crap with wheels" olds13


yall need to get with it, if it aint nissan it sucks......j/k this srt4 doenst sound bad, altough i feel it to be ugly. i would personally not buy one, but vs. a stock 240 it seems to ahve alot going for it. especailly where i am there are no mountains and very good drieing roads that dont resulat in a fall into a deep ditch with trees.........ugly car, yes, fast car yes, good handleing, its seems pretty good, i think scc even made it the car of the year 2 years ago? i remember they wanted to revoke it due to the crossfire/dione(sp) comercial

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by old_s13

Its not even about ripping on the viper, because I think its a good car.. when it works. amazing how i always hear about viper's having constant headaches and failures.. wow such a surprise! haha born in 1986 was it? jeeez...

Your 100% correct old_s13. I worked at Palmer Dodge(which is one of the top two Viper dealerships in the world) for 2 years in the Palmer Motorsports department which is basically the area of the dealership that handles the service, upgrades and sales of the Viper. Anyway, you are right when you say that the Viper has it problems, big problems. Cars throw harmonic balancers all the time, seen engines that burn oil (and I mean heavy) with under 5k on the car, fiberglass panels that are warped and splintered from the factory, wiring held to the body panels with electrical tape (I have even seen duct tape once) and countless other problems. Does the Viper have a strong engine, for the most part yes when they are new. I would NEVER buy one that had more then 60k on it. You are just asking for trouble at that point. However, the interior design and ride quality (I am not talking Caddy ride here, I know it is a sports car, but for a sport car that is to be driven on the street, its horrible) are simply piss poor to me. The old Dodge Stealth had a better design.

I would never buy a Viper. Would I take one if it was given to me? Of course, I would be stupid not too. But as soon as I got it, it would be up for sale. You can get something much nicer for that 80k. And just like old_s13 said, I personally will be looking at imports for that replacement car

[old_s13]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

Dodge simply has a differenct philosophy about building cars. If that philosophy doesn't mesh with yours, your not gonna like the cars they produce.

Cars are like women. Some have the goods, and the looks. Some don't have either. Your gonna hit what ever floats your boat. (or whatever you can affordat the time. lol)

i can respect that.. i think thats the nicest way to see things on the forum and on how to see people's opinions.. because its very much like a taste on women.

i dont like fake cars. i dont like fake titties. i dont like fake women. i just like realness. in my eyes, certain car mfg's have been doing it right from day one...

i like bmw -- they sell excellent sport sedans regardless of how over-engineered I think they are.

i dont like mercedes not because they are a bad company.. whatever, they sell damn good cars.. but fuck, they got too much history with the holocaust so i think some of you can understand one's reasoning for not wanting a mercedes. PLUS, their cars are just too wallowy for my tastes.. i need a REAL suspension.. and mercedes has always been soft.

as for domestics, i could care less if its a truck.. thats fine.. but when you're talking SMALL sportscars.. i think nissan and toyota is where its at.. they just make them as practical and tasteful as possible. its not about being JDM, truenocoupe (you cheap whore), its about making damn good cars. this is why i like subaru, honda, nissan, toyota.. and sometimes mazda.

i never once said the dodge viper was a junk car, i know it has balls behind it.. just like the z06 corvette.. two of the few american cars i appreciate. SRT4? no thanks, i'll pass. mustang cobra is also one of the others i am interested to learn more about.. but i wont comment until i get more exposure on it.

as for vw audi... work on them and you'll understand how crappy they are. i dont want to get into details, but i think i have put enough wrenching time into cars to be able to judge them. i may not be 100% right, because no one is.. but hey its my opinion and take it for what its worth. if you think i'm an idiot just write it off.. big deal. but there's obviously people on this forum who agree with me.. so suck it ez bitches.

[MakotoS13]

-the ford GT is just about the most hardcore domestic production car on the market. i'm pretty sure it out performs ferrari's top dog. that car is a freaking BEAST and it sure as hell whips the hell out of the viper.
-you guys are comparing the SRT-4 to cars that cost 5-10K more than it. that fact that that's necessary should show that the sucker is some fierce competition.
-the audi TT is not an econobox (econoboxes don't cost 30+K, have twin turbos, and AWD) displacement is irrelevant.

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by Archangelprez

-the audi TT is not an econobox (econoboxes don't cost 30+K, have twin turbos, and AWD) displacement is irrelevant.

since when has the audi TT been twin turbo. Last time I checked it was 225hp out of the 1.8 single turbo and 250hp out of the new 3.2 v6. 225hp + 3274lbs + $30,000 plus pricetag = yawn in my book

and the Ford GT being the most hardcore domestic car?? I think you are forgeting a few.

[240KAT]

Shelby Series 1 = sex on wheels
Ive never been a fan of the Viper..there's something about them that I don't find appealing. Perhaps its that I've spent my time under the hood of them. Dodge has always been known to cut corners in production. To keep the tag down, they do the electrical tape manuever, as well as cheap interiors, poorly designed suspension, etc. Plus, I dont really like how they look.
And the Audi TT is not twin turbo..not with a 30k price tag. It's a 'sporty' Jetta...with 4 circles instead of one.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Originally Posted by old_s13

man dont even start with me, your ass is too young to even appreciate the free shit they give you in a cracker jack box.. let alone have the mental capacity to even compare a car.

Its not even about ripping on the viper, because I think its a good car.. when it works. amazing how i always hear about viper's having constant headaches and failures.. wow such a surprise! haha born in 1986 was it? jeeez...

What year were you born? I would Imagine you are way too old be around forums. "Old_Man".

1986? hahahaahahhahhah hahahhahahhah oh wait. I LOLed.

[MakotoS13]

well crap, what the hell does the TT stand for then?

225hp + 3274lbs + $30,000 plus pricetag = yawn in my book

yeah, i guess if that's all you were concerned with it wouldn't seem very interesting. uh huh... tons of sense...

oh yeah, that ford GT thing? i meant that. seriously... that car owns.

[chokudoriS13]

Originally Posted by old_s13

All I know is that if I was in the market and had a choice between a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini versus a DODGE viper or a CHEVY corvette, I wouldnt have to think twice.. I wouldnt buy something domestic, thats for sure.

The point is bang-for-the-buck. For the price of a 360, you can have 4 Corvettes or 2.5 Vipers. Price-wise, the imports and domestics are not in the same league.

Dodge Neon SRT-4 versus 350Z or WRX, yeah.. I'm REALLY going to consider the SRT-4.. great car for the money!

If you're getting a Track Z, you could have two SRT-4's. A WRX costs 25% more. If you're going to compare cars by prices, at least start comparing cars that are on the same price level. Now, find me something for $19k that matches or beats the SRT-4 in the US.

[Var]

The BEST bang for your buck is a 2-3 year old Z06 corvette IMO. that car is THE FUCKIN SICKEST ...and way better than a Viper IMO. Old_s13 please tell me you understand that car is the shit even though it's a domestic. I'd take it over any Skyline except for the R34 GTR.

[old_s13]

i think the corvette (z06 or not) is a good car -- i cannot say anything negative about it because i dont know enough about it to comment. sure, it MAY be domestic which very much already has a bad start.. but I wont hold anything against it because i know its got tradition and a good following. i will say the interiors are kinda ratty, but thats not a big deal.. nothing a bit of money cant fix. i like the corvette.. i'de most likely take one over a viper. but then again, i wouldnt throw the viper out either.. both are good cars.. i just like the corvette more, thats all. (of course z06 is obviously the creme of the crop).

i would most definately take a BASE MODEL Z33 350Z over a dodge SRT-4 any day. I would take a stock S13 over an SRT4. I would take a Miata over an SRT4, ANY DAY. It comes down to what you guys value as drivers. If FWD + POWER is enough to satisfy you suckers, then more power to you all. For me, I need much more than that. A miata would please me MUCH more than a Neon. I would even take a 1990 Miata and spend money on fixing that up.. and I would easily destroy a Neon. There's just NOTHING appealing about the Neon to me.

As for Skylines, I think the R32 is at the top of my list in terms of favorites.. I dont like the newer models as much.

[240KAT]

Originally Posted by old_s13

As for Skylines, I think the R32 is at the top of my list in terms of favorites.. I dont like the newer models as much.

The r32's are pure hotness.

[AKADriver]

Originally Posted by Archangelprez

-the audi TT is not an econobox (econoboxes don't cost 30+K, have twin turbos, and AWD) displacement is irrelevant.

Dude. DUDE.

Yeah, like someone else said, it's a single turbo. Three engine options:
4cyl 1.8 turbo 180hp - EXACT same powerplant as GTI, Jetta GLS
4cyl 1.8 turbo 225hp - same engine again with a bigger K04 turbo
6cyl 3.2 NA 250hp - EXACT same powerplant as Golf R32

The chassis, suspension, AWD system, brakes, all EXACTLY the same as the Golf R32. The base model TT is still front wheel drive with the 180hp engine and an automatic, all straight from the Jetta GLS. IT IS A GOLF/JETTA CHASSIS. Econobox roots to the core. They gave it the best engines, best suspensions, best brakes available, but it's still the same platform.

And now you see why making arbitrary distinctions between "sports car" and "economy car" is stupid.

[JagdStealth]

Originally Posted by old_s13

i like bmw -- they sell excellent sport sedans regardless of how over-engineered I think they are.

i dont like mercedes not because they are a bad company.. whatever, they sell damn good cars.. but fuck, they got too much history with the holocaust so i think some of you can understand one's reasoning for not wanting a mercedes

BMW is a German company too...I'm confused by what you're saying. BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche all played very alrge parts in the manufacturing of products for the Nazi war machine.

i am interested to learn more about.. but i wont comment until i get more exposure on it.

Just beacue you don't like FWD and power (I don't either), that doesn't mean it's a bad car. I suppose ignorance is bliss though, I can agree with that!

240SX over here was nothing more than competition for the Integra/prelude/Celica market in the 80s and early 90s. I'd put money on SRT4 vs. a stock 240SX any year, even on the skid pad. We already know that Neon ACRs kill most cars in class in AutoX, including the stock 240SX.

[JagdStealth]

Originally Posted by Burmonster

The old Dodge Stealth had a better design.

That's because it was designed, manufactured, and built by Mitsubishi in Nagoya, Japan.

Dodge contributed a efw man hours to using different body lines than the 3000GT, although all body panels are pretty much interchangable.

[Hawd]

Originally Posted by AKADriver

You didn't make that up, the guy that said "hey I heard people who drive Neons all crash and die, but I don't feel like looking up any facts" - HE was making stuff up.

Yeah, it does get mid-pack safety scores. Nothing new there. But there isn't a rusty ice pick sticking out of the steering wheel.

Iwasn't making stuff up you fucking moron I was simply stating a rumor that I've been hearing alot lately.

Maybe alot of people are dying in turbo neons because of the market it's attracting. Young males with lead foots and no driving experience whatsoever.

[MakotoS13]

Originally Posted by AKADriver

And now you see why making arbitrary distinctions between "sports car" and "economy car" is stupid.

by the way, i already stated that i was obviously wrong about claiming it a Twin Turbo. anyone care to explain why its labeled TT instead of beating dead horses?

a sports car in my eyes needs to have:

plenty of power potential and rear wheels that power the car. it stops being an econobox when the price reaches 30+, to me. if you want to try to explain how 30 grand for a car with tons of extra stuff over the base model could possibly be economical then go right ahead but don't expect many people to follow that kind of logic.

just like how combinations of things make sports cars the same applies to econoboxes. take a bmw. even the suckballs 318's aren't econoboxes simply for their horrificly (real word?) high price tag.

dissecting colloquial terms is a bit silly so back to the thread:

there's a black SRT-4 at the dodge place next to our ford dealership and it looks pretty mean. i don't see how anyone could possibly say that they look like crap. they look better than round headlight base WRX's IMO. the stance, rims, front end, seats, and front mount intercooler make the sucker look totally business-like.

Iwasn't making stuff up you fucking moron I was simply stating a rumor that I've been hearing alot lately.

yes, you were making stuff up. i've driven a neon before and didn't crash and die, thus, you made stuff up. yeah, you were exagerating but they are supposed to have pretty good safety ratings (it is an economy car ya know).

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by JagdStealth

That's because it was designed, manufactured, and built by Mitsubishi in Nagoya, Japan.

Dodge contributed a efw man hours to using different body lines than the 3000GT, although all body panels are pretty much interchangable.

Congrats, you got the point I was trying to get across. BRILLANT!!!

[hookedup240]

Originally Posted by Archangelprez

there's a black SRT-4 at the dodge place next to our ford dealership and it looks pretty mean. i don't see how anyone could possibly say that they look like crap. they look better than round headlight base WRX's IMO. the stance, rims, front end, seats, and front mount intercooler make the sucker look totally business-like.

They do look like shit. They may look better than WRX's because they are shit ugly too, it looks like a shoe box with a wing and stupid ass headlights.

Although they are fast.

[old_s13]

plenty of power potential and rear wheels that power the car. it stops being an econobox when the price reaches 30+, to me. if you want to try to explain how 30 grand for a car with tons of extra stuff over the base model could possibly be economical then go right ahead but don't expect many people to follow that kind of logic.

BS.. a Miata is a sportscar.. pricetag has nothing to do with it. a 240Z when it was released was a sportscar, price means nothing.

[Bliss]

240sx a sports car? puh-leeze. every car thats RWD isn't a sports car. it may be a SPORTY car, but not even close to a "sports" car.

[JagdStealth]

Originally Posted by Bliss

240sx a sports car? puh-leeze. every car thats RWD isn't a sports car. it may be a SPORTY car, but not even close to a "sports" car.

AMEN......

[240KAT]

Originally Posted by Bliss

240sx a sports car? puh-leeze. every car thats RWD isn't a sports car. it may be a SPORTY car, but not even close to a "sports" car.

My insurance plan says otherwise.

[JaeTea]

I guess no one got the memo...