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TokyoNights · 02-12-2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

so how much torque are you makin at 1500 rpms?

Who cares?
If I wanted to tow id have a diesel

MakotoS13 · 02-13-2005, 12:25 AM

so you're saying all you care about is peak power rather than power on demand?

interesting...

wait... you get like 50mpg? what're you drivin a fuggin echo?

TokyoNights · 02-13-2005, 12:25 AM

No, wether youre into drag/track/drift you keep the engine on boil
I dont know about you but my rpm's dont drop to 1500 between shifts

MakotoS13 · 02-13-2005, 12:34 AM

nobody said you'd be shifting at 1500 rpms. i'm just curious to see what your power level is in that range. hell, i'd be willing to bet you're well into your upper rpms before you're making close to your peak power.

why is it that a fox body stang needs 600 hp to get in the 10s when it takes supras way more than that? USEable torque and PEAK torque are NOT the same thing.

jOeHaCk98 · 02-13-2005, 12:46 AM

Do it yourself. S13. Cheap. Get someones clip from an sr swap, get then engine of choice and work on it while you still have ur s13 to drive. I want an LS-1 in my s14

HyperTek · 02-13-2005, 01:03 AM

get an FC and a motor mount kit and your done..

nissantuner22 · 02-13-2005, 08:32 AM

Just for the record, I found that pic first Makato. So poop on you.

If I were you, I would just swap in an RB. Although its not mainstream, people make mounting kits for it, and the aftermarket support is slowing increasing. An RB20DET can be had for cheap, and a turbo inline 6 is sweetness. I like there valve train too.

justinhustle · 02-13-2005, 09:13 AM

obviously the best choice makato is clearly the EWB

wootwoot · 02-13-2005, 09:32 AM

Whoever said something about the powertec, sounds like a good idea!! Give me 20 thousand dollars and I will put it in my car k? Also if you keep a tab on that engine before scc started throwing it around you would know they have gained more hp through exhaust tuning and that regular tuning. They will also be offering it in the 3.0 version which will have more torque, and less high end performance. So more of a street engine. For a while I was looking into building a rb30 but it doesnt seem that I would be satisfied for what it cost. If you guys dont quit the dumb bickering I will beat you with a stick

nissantuner22 · 02-13-2005, 09:52 AM

if wootwoot takes the stick out, im leaving the thread.

**ThatGuy** · 02-13-2005, 11:04 AM

Here is the argument Makoto really needs. If he drops a Ford 302 V8 into his S13, how much tuning and work will it take to reach ~300hp/300ft lbs. in relation to ANY Nissan engine available. The 302 must remain N/A, however the Nissan engine may be F/I. Keep it civil, and stick to the facts. Remeber we are talking tuning here. I know there are plenty of Nissan engines that can push 300 ponies, now just make a good argument around it.

jOeHaCk98 · 02-13-2005, 11:29 AM

302 DOESNT HAVE TO REMAIN N/A. Supercharged, Turbo Charged, NOS 302's have all been done. Not to mention they have street legal turbo kits for 302's, Insane power.

**ThatGuy** · 02-13-2005, 11:35 AM

I understand that a 302 can have forced induction, however Makoto is looking at N/A to try and save himself on tuning headaches. That's why I ask for the facts I did. Thanks for the info though.

nismo2491 · 02-13-2005, 11:41 AM

302 w/ good intake manifold, intake pipe, throttle body, heads, cam, exhaust, headers should net you around where you want to be makoto. I don't have much mustang experience but I do have some.
KEvin

Zemus · 02-13-2005, 11:49 AM

But put a 13b in there, the Turbo II 13b, s5, mmm

wootwoot · 02-13-2005, 11:57 AM

Yeah, I say 13b as well, those things have an assload of low end torque. Think ls1, full exhaust, cam shaft with computer tuning. Right there you have 450bhp or so. 302 has an iron block, atleast I think it does, so that is out of the question in my eyes.

atom · 02-13-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

Yeah, I say 13b as well, those things have an assload of low end torque. Think ls1, full exhaust, cam shaft with computer tuning. Right there you have 450bhp or so. 302 has an iron block, atleast I think it does, so that is out of the question in my eyes.

Why does having an iron block matter?

**Phlip** · 02-13-2005, 12:48 PM

And on what planet is a 13b a reliable engine, keeping into consideration comparative cost, when placed against a 302?

wootwoot · 02-13-2005, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

Why does having an iron block matter?

This is one of those things you SHOULD be able to figure out on your own.... Think for a minute then respond again

p.s. 13b's are extremly reliably in n/a form. They can be reliable with forced induction IF they are tuned right. Not many people do tune them right though so BOOM

***S14DB*** · 02-13-2005, 01:19 PM

You should put a APU in there.

atom · 02-13-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

This is one of those things you SHOULD be able to figure out on your own.... Think for a minute then respond again

p.s. 13b's are extremly reliably in n/a form. They can be reliable with forced induction IF they are tuned right. Not many people do tune them right though so BOOM

If you think it's weight, you're a dope cuz a 302 with an iron block and aluminum head weighs about the same as an all aluminum LS1 and much less than a lot of all aluminum DOHC V8's except the northstar which weighs just marginally more.

So what's your reason?

blu808 · 02-13-2005, 01:55 PM

ooo a northstar engine.

Thats what i want to do, after i blow up my current motor.

publicenemy137 · 02-13-2005, 02:19 PM

LS1 + SLP engineering supercharger = 450 rwhp off the bat = teh win

I've seen some LS1 swaps done before. There was a store that advertised in automotiveforums that sold chevy 350 swaps for a 240sx. It sounds pretty badass to me.

Var · 02-13-2005, 02:44 PM

302 sounds like a good swap but it will end up costing the same as an LS1 when you try to get the same power out of it. The big plus for a 302 is that replacements parts are cheap and plentiful and the transmission fits better than the t-56. Also it's OBDI so less hassle with smog if you have it...but on the other hand the LS1 might be easier to legalize for CA because it's on the Low Emission Vehicle list..so it's considered to be a super clean burning engine. but 302's always sound better.

i still want an LS1

NickBW · 02-13-2005, 02:59 PM

mmm LS1 in a 240sx fastback with no spoiler. Like a lighter corvette with two more seats.

Lots of power, broad powerband, huge aftermarket here in the USA, no taking it up the butt from importing costs for every little thing that you may need for an engine that wasnt sold in the USA. Great sound(really suprise people with that throaty rumble from a humble little nissan..

)
I remember seeing a guy who had a destroked Lt1 that made something like 600~hp at around 7000+rpm's naturaly aspired. A setup somewhat simalar to that with an Ls1 sure would be nice..

AlligatorBling · 02-13-2005, 03:10 PM

i realize this thread is about putting a 302 in a 240; however, i must throw in my two cents.... have you considered finding a cheap 4 Cyl mustang notch back and dropping a 5.0 in it? gut out the body for weight issues, you get MEGA torque, and you still pay for 4cly insurance, best of all... the motor drops right in, thus saving you a lot of cash. rear end swaps should be fairly simple as well, you could put in 3.55 or 3.73’s ... or if you want the easiest route, but a 5.0 and gut it. trick out the motor, and enjoy.

edit: some reading you might like on weight reduction of the stang
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...ghlight=weight

98sr20ve · 02-13-2005, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Here is the argument Makoto really needs. If he drops a Ford 302 V8 into his S13, how much tuning and work will it take to reach ~300hp/300ft lbs. in relation to ANY Nissan engine available. The 302 must remain N/A, however the Nissan engine may be F/I. Keep it civil, and stick to the facts. Remeber we are talking tuning here. I know there are plenty of Nissan engines that can push 300 ponies, now just make a good argument around it.

If you decide to skip the Ford and go with a LS1 then how does 500hp and 450ftlbs of torque sound. With a carb no less. Keep the fuel injection and you will have even more. That is NA. Also, that is off of a LS1 that started at 345hp. Not the 400hp one they make now.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...e/0409em_gmpp/

To get your HP level with a Ford you will likely need GT40 heads, headers, cams, maybe some springs. 300hp is not hard. You can buy a crate engine that has 345hp easy.

http://www.factoryfive.com/table/engines/ford302.html

***S14DB*** · 02-13-2005, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlligatorBling

i realize this thread is about putting a 302 in a 240; however, i must throw in my two cents.... have you considered finding a cheap 4 Cyl mustang notch back and dropping a 5.0 in it? gut out the body for weight issues, you get MEGA torque, and you still pay for 4cly insurance, best of all... the motor drops right in, thus saving you a lot of cash. rear end swaps should be fairly simple as well, you could put in 3.55 or 3.73’s ... or if you want the easiest route, but a 5.0 and gut it. trick out the motor, and enjoy.

edit: some reading you might like on weight reduction of the stang
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...ghlight=weight

My GF had a 4cyl stang. You know how hard it is to swap a 5.0 in it? It's cheaper to buy a GT. Insurance rates on even a 4cyl mustang are twice that of a 240. The more you strip out the more anoying the stang gets.

MakotoS13 · 02-13-2005, 05:12 PM

i was reading that link and a guy says he should lose drop 30lbs by going with aluminum heads. i need to find some people that have done this sucker....

wootwoot · 02-13-2005, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

If you think it's weight, you're a dope cuz a 302 with an iron block and aluminum head weighs about the same as an all aluminum LS1 and much less than a lot of all aluminum DOHC V8's except the northstar which weighs just marginally more.

So what's your reason?

Where are you getting your info because it seems kinda out there. DOHC motors also have close to the same weight, it is their dimensions that are the trouble. Northstar is about the worst engine as well. Good technology but bad turnout. They leak constantly and always

02-13-2005, 01:03 AM	#36
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 13,224 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	get an FC and a motor mount kit and your done.. __________________ Keep it Classy

02-13-2005, 08:32 AM	#37
nissantuner22 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Age: 40 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	Just for the record, I found that pic first Makato. So poop on you. If I were you, I would just swap in an RB. Although its not mainstream, people make mounting kits for it, and the aftermarket support is slowing increasing. An RB20DET can be had for cheap, and a turbo inline 6 is sweetness. I like there valve train too. __________________ Current Project: Operation: N/A SR: 93 Silvia Q SR20DE Engine with go fast goodies. , "Common problems 240sx's suffer from are curbs, trees, ditches, and other immovable objects."thx247 "on the tounge... there is no guardrails."- citizen

02-13-2005, 09:52 AM	#40
nissantuner22 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Age: 40 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	if wootwoot takes the stick out, im leaving the thread. __________________ Current Project: Operation: N/A SR: 93 Silvia Q SR20DE Engine with go fast goodies. , "Common problems 240sx's suffer from are curbs, trees, ditches, and other immovable objects."thx247 "on the tounge... there is no guardrails."- citizen

02-13-2005, 11:04 AM	#41
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 45 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here is the argument Makoto really needs. If he drops a Ford 302 V8 into his S13, how much tuning and work will it take to reach ~300hp/300ft lbs. in relation to ANY Nissan engine available. The 302 must remain N/A, however the Nissan engine may be F/I. Keep it civil, and stick to the facts. Remeber we are talking tuning here. I know there are plenty of Nissan engines that can push 300 ponies, now just make a good argument around it. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

02-13-2005, 11:35 AM	#43
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 45 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I understand that a 302 can have forced induction, however Makoto is looking at N/A to try and save himself on tuning headaches. That's why I ask for the facts I did. Thanks for the info though. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

02-13-2005, 12:25 AM	#32
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so you're saying all you care about is peak power rather than power on demand? interesting... wait... you get like 50mpg? what're you drivin a fuggin echo?

02-13-2005, 12:25 AM	#33
TokyoNights Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: garage Age: 42 Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: TokyoNights Feedback Score: 2 reviews	No, wether youre into drag/track/drift you keep the engine on boil I dont know about you but my rpm's dont drop to 1500 between shifts

02-13-2005, 12:34 AM	#34
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nobody said you'd be shifting at 1500 rpms. i'm just curious to see what your power level is in that range. hell, i'd be willing to bet you're well into your upper rpms before you're making close to your peak power. why is it that a fox body stang needs 600 hp to get in the 10s when it takes supras way more than that? USEable torque and PEAK torque are NOT the same thing.

02-13-2005, 12:46 AM	#35
jOeHaCk98 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Do it yourself. S13. Cheap. Get someones clip from an sr swap, get then engine of choice and work on it while you still have ur s13 to drive. I want an LS-1 in my s14

02-13-2005, 09:13 AM	#38
justinhustle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ohio Age: 45 Posts: 1,693 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: justinhustle Feedback Score: 0 reviews	obviously the best choice makato is clearly the EWB

02-13-2005, 09:32 AM	#39
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Whoever said something about the powertec, sounds like a good idea!! Give me 20 thousand dollars and I will put it in my car k? Also if you keep a tab on that engine before scc started throwing it around you would know they have gained more hp through exhaust tuning and that regular tuning. They will also be offering it in the 3.0 version which will have more torque, and less high end performance. So more of a street engine. For a while I was looking into building a rb30 but it doesnt seem that I would be satisfied for what it cost. If you guys dont quit the dumb bickering I will beat you with a stick

02-13-2005, 11:29 AM	#42
jOeHaCk98 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	302 DOESNT HAVE TO REMAIN N/A. Supercharged, Turbo Charged, NOS 302's have all been done. Not to mention they have street legal turbo kits for 302's, Insane power.

02-13-2005, 11:41 AM	#44
nismo2491 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southern MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,373 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	302 w/ good intake manifold, intake pipe, throttle body, heads, cam, exhaust, headers should net you around where you want to be makoto. I don't have much mustang experience but I do have some. KEvin __________________ To quote the great Ron White: if life gives you lemons, make lemonade. and try to find somebody who's life gave them vodka, and have a party

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Zemus Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minneapols Age: 40 Posts: 2,268 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Zemus Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But put a 13b in there, the Turbo II 13b, s5, mmm __________________ \|Ziptied.com\|Hybrid Z\|D-Town Forum\|Clubfr.net\|

02-13-2005, 11:57 AM	#46
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I say 13b as well, those things have an assload of low end torque. Think ls1, full exhaust, cam shaft with computer tuning. Right there you have 450bhp or so. 302 has an iron block, atleast I think it does, so that is out of the question in my eyes.

02-13-2005, 12:48 PM	#48
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blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Campbell, Ca Age: 42 Posts: 5,010 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ooo a northstar engine. Thats what i want to do, after i blow up my current motor. __________________

02-13-2005, 02:19 PM	#53
publicenemy137 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NoVa Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	LS1 + SLP engineering supercharger = 450 rwhp off the bat = teh win I've seen some LS1 swaps done before. There was a store that advertised in automotiveforums that sold chevy 350 swaps for a 240sx. It sounds pretty badass to me. __________________ check out my 240sx in my cardomain page 1 CLICK HERE TO SEE MY CARDOMAIN! help me decide my next set of rims

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Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	302 sounds like a good swap but it will end up costing the same as an LS1 when you try to get the same power out of it. The big plus for a 302 is that replacements parts are cheap and plentiful and the transmission fits better than the t-56. Also it's OBDI so less hassle with smog if you have it...but on the other hand the LS1 might be easier to legalize for CA because it's on the Low Emission Vehicle list..so it's considered to be a super clean burning engine. but 302's always sound better. i still want an LS1 __________________ Hi

02-13-2005, 02:59 PM	#55
NickBW Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arlington Texas Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	mmm LS1 in a 240sx fastback with no spoiler. Like a lighter corvette with two more seats. Lots of power, broad powerband, huge aftermarket here in the USA, no taking it up the butt from importing costs for every little thing that you may need for an engine that wasnt sold in the USA. Great sound(really suprise people with that throaty rumble from a humble little nissan.. ) I remember seeing a guy who had a destroked Lt1 that made something like 600~hp at around 7000+rpm's naturaly aspired. A setup somewhat simalar to that with an Ls1 sure would be nice..

02-13-2005, 03:10 PM	#56
AlligatorBling BANNED Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Virgina Age: 43 Posts: 856 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i realize this thread is about putting a 302 in a 240; however, i must throw in my two cents.... have you considered finding a cheap 4 Cyl mustang notch back and dropping a 5.0 in it? gut out the body for weight issues, you get MEGA torque, and you still pay for 4cly insurance, best of all... the motor drops right in, thus saving you a lot of cash. rear end swaps should be fairly simple as well, you could put in 3.55 or 3.73’s ... or if you want the easiest route, but a 5.0 and gut it. trick out the motor, and enjoy. edit: some reading you might like on weight reduction of the stang http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...ghlight=weight

02-13-2005, 05:12 PM	#59
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i was reading that link and a guy says he should lose drop 30lbs by going with aluminum heads. i need to find some people that have done this sucker....