Innovate LM-1 Wideband Kit w/ PLX or AEM Gauge?

[BlazedGlory]

I plan on getting the Innovate LM-1 Wideband kit with the rpm converter in the near future. I want to keep it in the car running at all times, and I need to get a wideband gauge. I know that they make their own gauge, but I'd like to have one with the digital output as well as with numbers along the sweeping LEDs, and Innovate's gauge doesn't have the numbers. Is there another gauge that I could get to work with the LM-1 such as the PLX or AEM gauge (or perhaps another gauge?). If nothing else will work, I guess I could just modify the gauge myself and write some numbers up there or something...

Thanks!

[Yoshi]

wow, that sounds like a pretty good idea... I dunno if widebands are more sensitive to fouling than the avg o2 sensor, but if it's longevity is the same (w/o a significant drop in accuracy) seems like a good deal.

This really sounds like a FA kind of question tho, I think there's only maybe 4-6 ppl here that could answer that from actual experience...

...which of course means, you'll prolly get lots of replies that say
"well I heard that...."
or
"I know a guy that..."

blah blah blah

Let us know what u find out tho, and if the setup works well, I'd be interested in emulating that setup... I'm still on the fence about computer upgrade vs retune.

[g2ic02]

i am still deciding on techedge or lm1...I know a couple of honda guys that run their techedge all the time. They have never said anything about fouling there o2 sensor....I have never actually thought about that problem before you posted it. Is there any reason why you want the sweeping led??

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Originally Posted by BlazedGlory

I plan on getting the Innovate LM-1 Wideband kit with the rpm converter in the near future. I want to keep it in the car running at all times, and I need to get a wideband gauge. I know that they make their own gauge, but I'd like to have one with the digital output as well as with numbers along the sweeping LEDs, and Innovate's gauge doesn't have the numbers. Is there another gauge that I could get to work with the LM-1 such as the PLX or AEM gauge (or perhaps another gauge?). If nothing else will work, I guess I could just modify the gauge myself and write some numbers up there or something...

Thanks!

Innovate XD-1:



The gauge itself is $229, but if you do not need the datalogging feature of the LM-1 you can just get the gauge w/ LC-1 wideband controller for $399

[orion::S14]

I know a lot of Supra guys who run a wideband in their cars daily...the sensors do eventually wear out (over THOUSDANDS of miles), but it's fine to do.

A couple Honda models even run a wideband as the factory O2 sensor...so it's fine to use them daily.

FYI...

- Brian

[upSLIDEdown]

Kuah beat me to it ^^^ Yeah Innovate now makes the XD-1! It's a little pricey IMO at $229, but I plan on getting one to go with my LM-1 soon.

Bryan

[allmotorKA]

Innovate XD-1 also has a wider air/fuel ratio range compared to the AEM unit.

[codyace]

The PLX m-300 is what I have in my altima. Being that the gauge has both a narrowband and a wideband output, I was able to use the wideband output to feed my display and use the narrowband output as my ECU's source...very slick and very easy to use

To me, the PLX is the best thign going in terms of widebands...easy to install, greatproduct, great customer service...great everything!!! The display is nice and slim (about the size of a deck of cards) and easily can be placed right ontop of the steering collumn cover below the tachometer and speedometer...

ALSO: If you want datalogging ability, you can purchase the plx M500...it too has datalogging capabilities....

As for reliability: I have had one for 5000 miles, my friend Andrew has had his for about 10,000...another Friend Adam has had his for 3000, Kenny's VR6 had it's maiden voyage the other day, buddy Tom's turbo colt has had his for damn near 15000 miles...the list can go on....we've all had NO problems!!

313 shipped the last time I checked on www.streetrays.com as well...not sure what it's at now, but it's always right around 300 bucks!

[killjoy]

I had the LM-1, and I don't see how people run it everyday. In the instructions it has precise directions for giving the sensor power and letting it go through it calibration and all that. Then if your car runs like shit while you are tuning it, you never know if it is accurate because it gets restarted everytime your car dies. Not very daily driven in my eyes. I would look towards a few others that aren't so big.

[90RS13]

I had the LM-1, and I don't see how people run it everyday. In the instructions it has precise directions for giving the sensor power and letting it go through it calibration and all that. Then if your car runs like shit while you are tuning it, you never know if it is accurate because it gets restarted everytime your car dies. Not very daily driven in my eyes. I would look towards a few others that aren't so big.

Did you actually read the instructions? You don't have to cal it everytime you start the car. It's easily daily driveable.

EDIT: You're post just really confuses me. You don't even cal it while the car is running. You cal it in open air so it get's a known oxygen content for reference. It doesn't "restart" if the car dies either. Are you sure you actually had a LM-1?

[BlazedGlory]

Originally Posted by g2ic02

i am still deciding on techedge or lm1...I know a couple of honda guys that run their techedge all the time. They have never said anything about fouling there o2 sensor....I have never actually thought about that problem before you posted it. Is there any reason why you want the sweeping led??

Because it is too damn hard to read a digital number readout on the fly. It just doesn't update fast enough. It is so much easier to see a sweeping gauge... For example, my Greddy ProfecB Spec II has a digital boost readout, but it is impossible to read until you reach peak boost. When boost is climbing, it is just numbers flashing and impossible to read on the fly...

[BlazedGlory]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Innovate XD-1:



The gauge itself is $229, but if you do not need the datalogging feature of the LM-1 you can just get the gauge w/ LC-1 wideband controller for $399

Not to be a smartass, but you even quoted what I said as if you read it =P. Like I said in the original post, I've already decided that I want the LM-1 kit with the rpm converter... That's decided. What I was wondering is if a display gauge other than innovate's would work (like stated in the topic and first post =). The reason being, like stated in my original post, is only because Innovate's Gauge has the digital readout and sweeping led, but the problem is there are no numbers lining the sweeping led field. I know this sounds like a small problem, but is really what this thread is all about.

Hate to be a smartass, but I don't think you read this thread at all =P

[BlazedGlory]

Originally Posted by orion::S14

I know a lot of Supra guys who run a wideband in their cars daily...the sensors do eventually wear out (over THOUSDANDS of miles), but it's fine to do.

A couple Honda models even run a wideband as the factory O2 sensor...so it's fine to use them daily.

FYI...

- Brian

Yeah I've read that as long as you keep the actual unit hooked up, the heater element or something will keep the o2 sensor working for miles and miles. If you just leave the o2 sensor in there not hooked up to the lm-1 unit, your sensor will mess up (that's the word on the street/freshalloy)

[BlazedGlory]

arg, this whole thread is just frustrating me. Everybody is telling me that Innovate has the XD-1 gauge now, which I know - I stated in my original post why I don't want it. I don't want to know which company to go with or anything. Is there any way we can get on topic and start a new thread for wideband x vs. wideband y?

[BlazedGlory]

Originally Posted by BlazedGlory

I plan on getting the Innovate LM-1 Wideband kit with the rpm converter in the near future. I want to keep it in the car running at all times, and I need to get a wideband gauge. I know that they make their own gauge, but I'd like to have one with the digital output as well as with numbers along the sweeping LEDs, and Innovate's gauge doesn't have the numbers. Is there another gauge that I could get to work with the LM-1 such as the PLX or AEM gauge (or perhaps another gauge?). If nothing else will work, I guess I could just modify the gauge myself and write some numbers up there or something...

Thanks!

here's the only thing this thread was supposed to be about

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Originally Posted by killjoy

I had the LM-1, and I don't see how people run it everyday. In the instructions it has precise directions for giving the sensor power and letting it go through it calibration and all that. Then if your car runs like shit while you are tuning it, you never know if it is accurate because it gets restarted everytime your car dies. Not very daily driven in my eyes. I would look towards a few others that aren't so big.

The calibration only happens w/ a new sensor (happens automatically, somehow the LM1 knows when a new/different sensor is attached) or if you hit the calibration button. The LM-1 also remembers the calibration when power is cutoff. I had modified my LM-1 to remove the 9V battery and use a 12V to 9V converter, so my unit completely powers down with ign off and comes on w/ ign. The wideband signal is fed to my Motec M600 and I daily drive with it. It works pretty good, but if I had to do it again now I would just get the LC-1, it is much more compact and no extra mods needed to have it power up/down with ign.

[NZO]

Just make a cute little cut out that goes around the gauge and draw some afrs on it.

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Originally Posted by BlazedGlory

Hate to be a smartass, but I don't think you read this thread at all =P

You said:

"but I'd like to have one with the digital output as well as with numbers along the sweeping LEDs"

your statement can be read as "numbers" + "sweeping LEDs" (perfect fit for XD-1), not as you intended "numbers MARKING the sweeping LEDs", I am guessing, like an analog gauge. Innovate had another gauge which was just an analog gauge that did not have a numeric digital display, which I assumed was what you were referring to when you said "Innovate's gauge doesn't have the numbers". If you just said "XD-1" somewhere in the post all this could have been avoided

Here's the analog gauge, its just $59, maybe it'll work better for you:

[S13E]

I've been running the PLX Devices M-300 daily with no problems at all... I've had it in for about 10,000 miles already. I bought an extra replacement 02 sensor at the same time i bought the unit just incase and never needed to replace yet. I have mine hooked to Data log on one of my aux inputs thru my PRofec E-01.

[90RS13]

I had modified my LM-1 to remove the 9V battery and use a 12V to 9V converter, so my unit completely powers down with ign off and comes on w/ ign.

Now, that I understand. That must be what he meant. I don't use an O2 sensor daily, just for tuning, so I never really thought of that.

[speeddreamz]

I got the PLX with the gauge from street rays, love it.

[TheSnail]

I got a plx m300. I was going to get a lm1 until I saw one in real life. Those things are the size of a notebook.

[96twofourty]

you can convert an autometer narrowband gauge to read the wideband signal

[killjoy]

Originally Posted by 90RS13

Now, that I understand. That must be what he meant. I don't use an O2 sensor daily, just for tuning, so I never really thought of that.

I had mine wired to a ign source too. Every time the car died it would go through its cycle to get back to 100% and it would see exhaust gas before it reached 100% which the manual said caused inconsisten readings. Thats why it was hard to daily drive, but my car was so off when i started. Now the damn thing is gone anyway and whoever stole my car in january has it now. It was in the trunk.