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mmtmatrix · 06-21-2005, 02:13 PM

Hello all KTS owners, Sorry to start a new thread, but I am dreaming about the day my KTS's will arrive and thinking about a few things.

Mainly: I know that camber (front) has a direct relation to ride height (and other alignment specs) but I am wondering approximately what ranges of camber are you users of KTS Coilovers getting? Also, with your camber ranges or caber settings where are the marks set at on the caber plate set in relation to their range of motion.
For example, my KTS’s on my S13, at 'X' ride height, is 2.5 degrees - , my camber plates are all the way in (towards the engine) so that is the max camber I can get. etc…

Also, what kinds of wheel clearance issues do you guys have? What wheels (size, width, offset, tire) do you run/will clear?

Thanks for all the help guys, just thinking about some stuff and passing the time till they get here.
mmtmatrix

gmckey · 06-21-2005, 04:58 PM

KTS seem to have a tad more clearance than other brands on the market, other than that I run less than 2* of camber all around, so besides that, can't help you.

toreno · 06-21-2005, 05:39 PM

How much did you pay for your KTS coils? Mines are coming in Monday. Yes , monday, ordered about a week and a half ago.

Ill let you know how it feels once its on.

alemanyS13 · 06-27-2005, 12:10 AM

Yo Toreno...where did you get your KTS coils from and for how much?

Stock-S13 · 06-27-2005, 12:30 AM

SPL BITCHES! ALL DAY LONG!!!

Err hard ot dtermine, I had an allignment not to long before I placed my coils. Soon after amxing out the rear and dropping the front, I can only mae the prediction that I'm running close to -3 rear, and maybe high -2 in front (Simply criticly deducing on account of the tire wear). I say buy the SPL RUCA along with the KTS, and go ahead and schedule an allignment within the week.

I can't even determine my Toe or caster as I have Tein Tie rods/ends and forgot the setting. I shoudl really get an allignment.

North240 · 06-27-2005, 05:08 PM

You should watch out since toe will kill your tires faster then camber, just a heads up.

Stock-S13 · 06-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Well aware, emo bag head.

Turn in can be scary I was on the 57 yesterday and had to avoid a rather large piece of tread from a Big rigs tire, and well in the move from two lanes I felt some understeer. Nasty stuff, defintley need an alignment, but I be broke y0.

I was hoping to buy the rest of suspesnion components, but my funds were diminshed rather soon becuase of unforseen expenses.

Var · 06-27-2005, 05:35 PM

The camber issue has a lot to do with strut tower design. Most plates max out at 2.5 degrees. I think is you use the ground control plates that sit on top of the strut tower you can get like 4. Otherwise slot the stut tower. You're looking at -2.5º @ full negative.

Stock-S13 · 06-27-2005, 06:12 PM

s14 flca allows for more.

Var · 06-27-2005, 06:21 PM

i got s14 FLCA ..it allows for 3 or 3.2. Not that much more

Stock-S13 · 06-27-2005, 06:24 PM

You measured this how?

And what kind of gauge? How long since calibrated, and how adept was its user? I have heard diffrently from guys at FA who are ME's.

Var · 06-27-2005, 06:31 PM

i got an alignment. At full negative they are -3.0. That's what the computer printed out. I dont know when they calibrated their machine. If i had a handheld tool i would measure it again myself.

At full lock - the inside wheel, which is the wheel that's doing most of the steering in a drift, gets a lot of positive camber. I moved the camber out as far as they could, and even with the car just sitting there(suspension not compressed, no body roll) at full lock, there is still at least one degree of positive caster on the inside wheel at full lock. I assume with 4 or 4.5 degrees , the inside wheel will be @ 0º at full lock.

mmtmatrix · 06-27-2005, 06:39 PM

Finally got My KTS, they look good, cant wait to see how they drive.

Clarify:
I already have full links, alighned myself on a rack, I am justtrying to think of some numbers of what the KTS's cabmer will be at when I put them an my Z32 (S14) LCAs on as well (KTSs have slightly slotted bolts and camber plates). I know 14 LCAs dont give you crazy camber, I just dont want it to be too much (I.E. I want the camber plate to still have room to go in and out with 2 or so degrees of camber) thats why I asked this question. Cant wait to get the coils on and alligned and see how these handel and compared to other companies I have driven on.

Hey West..something..pimp, I PMed and emailed you some questions re. the S14 LCA MOD, I am getting ready to do and allign at the same time as coilovers at my buddies shop tomorrow and have a few questions. Email me please, and do you have KTSs?

Oh and PS, that positive camber that you have at full lock is due to the caster, not camber, ialing in more camber to get rid of it is not what you want to do, its supposed to be like that, but if you want to adjust it, change your caster angel to adjust camber when the wheels are turned.

Thanks for all the help,
mmtmatrix

Stock-S13 · 06-27-2005, 07:57 PM

What do you need to know, S14 FLCA+S14 Spindle on S14 5/4 lug hub, done. And perferably sleeves for the spindle bolts to attach to the Coil.

I too have S14 stuff by the way, on KTS.

Dude buy me beer and some food and I'll help install your stuff. Are you still in SB? Tommarow is my last day here so take advantage of it.

FUCK San Bernardino!!!!!!!!!!

mmtmatrix · 06-29-2005, 12:30 PM

No need for help, and no its not that simple. I have Yanak 5 lug S13 conversion hubs so I have to run S13 spindles. I am going to run reinforced S14 LCAs w/S13 ball joints and have some detailed questions re them... I already have KTS (and 5lug/full links) installed and alligned. Just wondering about details, sent ya a pm/email west.

mmtmatrix

ps Berdu rocks

mistaanime · 06-29-2005, 12:33 PM

KTS's are pretty nice for the amount you pay..1100 is it?

Var · 06-29-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmtmatrix

Oh and PS, that positive camber that you have at full lock is due to the caster, not camber, ialing in more camber to get rid of it is not what you want to do, its supposed to be like that, but if you want to adjust it, change your caster angel to adjust camber when the wheels are turned.

Thanks for all the help,
mmtmatrix

The caster helps the wheel countersteer a little quicker, but i know it does add some camber gain through the steering range. I usually ran 8º. I think i'd have to run like 2º and rub the back of my fenders for it to make up for a whole degree of camber. I'd rather just run the extra camber

youngmanvr4 · 04-10-2006, 08:14 PM

Sorry...other thread didn't realise it.

06-21-2005, 02:13 PM	#1
mmtmatrix Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Currently So Cal Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Question to KTS Coilover owners, RE: Camber, etc Hello all KTS owners, Sorry to start a new thread, but I am dreaming about the day my KTS's will arrive and thinking about a few things. Mainly: I know that camber (front) has a direct relation to ride height (and other alignment specs) but I am wondering approximately what ranges of camber are you users of KTS Coilovers getting? Also, with your camber ranges or caber settings where are the marks set at on the caber plate set in relation to their range of motion. For example, my KTS’s on my S13, at 'X' ride height, is 2.5 degrees - , my camber plates are all the way in (towards the engine) so that is the max camber I can get. etc… Also, what kinds of wheel clearance issues do you guys have? What wheels (size, width, offset, tire) do you run/will clear? Thanks for all the help guys, just thinking about some stuff and passing the time till they get here. mmtmatrix

06-27-2005, 05:08 PM	#6
North240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Portland, MAINE Age: 42 Posts: 350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You should watch out since toe will kill your tires faster then camber, just a heads up. __________________ ROUND 2

06-27-2005, 05:35 PM	#8
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The camber issue has a lot to do with strut tower design. Most plates max out at 2.5 degrees. I think is you use the ground control plates that sit on top of the strut tower you can get like 4. Otherwise slot the stut tower. You're looking at -2.5º @ full negative. __________________ Hi

06-27-2005, 06:21 PM	#10
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i got s14 FLCA ..it allows for 3 or 3.2. Not that much more __________________ Hi

06-27-2005, 06:31 PM	#12
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 43 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i got an alignment. At full negative they are -3.0. That's what the computer printed out. I dont know when they calibrated their machine. If i had a handheld tool i would measure it again myself. At full lock - the inside wheel, which is the wheel that's doing most of the steering in a drift, gets a lot of positive camber. I moved the camber out as far as they could, and even with the car just sitting there(suspension not compressed, no body roll) at full lock, there is still at least one degree of positive caster on the inside wheel at full lock. I assume with 4 or 4.5 degrees , the inside wheel will be @ 0º at full lock. __________________ Hi

06-21-2005, 04:58 PM	#2
gmckey Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	KTS seem to have a tad more clearance than other brands on the market, other than that I run less than 2* of camber all around, so besides that, can't help you.

06-21-2005, 05:39 PM	#3
toreno Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: V-A Baby -believe that!!! Age: 40 Posts: 291 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How much did you pay for your KTS coils? Mines are coming in Monday. Yes , monday, ordered about a week and a half ago. Ill let you know how it feels once its on.

06-27-2005, 12:10 AM	#4
alemanyS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: BAY AREA Age: 44 Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yo Toreno...where did you get your KTS coils from and for how much?

06-27-2005, 12:30 AM	#5
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SPL BITCHES! ALL DAY LONG!!! Err hard ot dtermine, I had an allignment not to long before I placed my coils. Soon after amxing out the rear and dropping the front, I can only mae the prediction that I'm running close to -3 rear, and maybe high -2 in front (Simply criticly deducing on account of the tire wear). I say buy the SPL RUCA along with the KTS, and go ahead and schedule an allignment within the week. I can't even determine my Toe or caster as I have Tein Tie rods/ends and forgot the setting. I shoudl really get an allignment.

06-27-2005, 05:33 PM	#7
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well aware, emo bag head. Turn in can be scary I was on the 57 yesterday and had to avoid a rather large piece of tread from a Big rigs tire, and well in the move from two lanes I felt some understeer. Nasty stuff, defintley need an alignment, but I be broke y0. I was hoping to buy the rest of suspesnion components, but my funds were diminshed rather soon becuase of unforseen expenses.

06-27-2005, 06:12 PM	#9
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	s14 flca allows for more.

06-27-2005, 06:24 PM	#11
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You measured this how? And what kind of gauge? How long since calibrated, and how adept was its user? I have heard diffrently from guys at FA who are ME's.

06-27-2005, 06:39 PM	#13
mmtmatrix Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Currently So Cal Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Finally got My KTS, they look good, cant wait to see how they drive. Clarify: I already have full links, alighned myself on a rack, I am justtrying to think of some numbers of what the KTS's cabmer will be at when I put them an my Z32 (S14) LCAs on as well (KTSs have slightly slotted bolts and camber plates). I know 14 LCAs dont give you crazy camber, I just dont want it to be too much (I.E. I want the camber plate to still have room to go in and out with 2 or so degrees of camber) thats why I asked this question. Cant wait to get the coils on and alligned and see how these handel and compared to other companies I have driven on. Hey West..something..pimp, I PMed and emailed you some questions re. the S14 LCA MOD, I am getting ready to do and allign at the same time as coilovers at my buddies shop tomorrow and have a few questions. Email me please, and do you have KTSs? Oh and PS, that positive camber that you have at full lock is due to the caster, not camber, ialing in more camber to get rid of it is not what you want to do, its supposed to be like that, but if you want to adjust it, change your caster angel to adjust camber when the wheels are turned. Thanks for all the help, mmtmatrix Last edited by mmtmatrix; 06-27-2005 at 06:58 PM..

06-27-2005, 07:57 PM	#14
Stock-S13 BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: so. cal Age: 39 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What do you need to know, S14 FLCA+S14 Spindle on S14 5/4 lug hub, done. And perferably sleeves for the spindle bolts to attach to the Coil. I too have S14 stuff by the way, on KTS. Dude buy me beer and some food and I'll help install your stuff. Are you still in SB? Tommarow is my last day here so take advantage of it. FUCK San Bernardino!!!!!!!!!!

06-29-2005, 12:30 PM	#15
mmtmatrix Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Currently So Cal Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No need for help, and no its not that simple. I have Yanak 5 lug S13 conversion hubs so I have to run S13 spindles. I am going to run reinforced S14 LCAs w/S13 ball joints and have some detailed questions re them... I already have KTS (and 5lug/full links) installed and alligned. Just wondering about details, sent ya a pm/email west. mmtmatrix ps Berdu rocks

06-29-2005, 12:33 PM	#16
mistaanime Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nine -1- Six Posts: 1,934 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	KTS's are pretty nice for the amount you pay..1100 is it? __________________ -Cherry Red 91 Silfourty-

04-10-2006, 08:14 PM	#18
youngmanvr4 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Haddam, Ks Age: 35 Posts: 372 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry...other thread didn't realise it.