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SR20Inside · 10-17-2005, 01:29 AM

Car won't start and haven't had a chance to double check the dist. settings but can anyone even see if my timing is off by this pic?

Al_S14 · 10-17-2005, 04:47 PM

you are 180 degrees out on TDC. rotate it again so that cam sprocket marks are on top it will be easyer to see it.

whats the backgroudn story man.... whhat all did you do and why do you think it may be off ? looks liek all you did was chance the guides and tentioners and you shouldnt have to worry about the timing then.

if it was up to me i'd get new OEM chains and then you wont have to worry about not having it timed properly

below is what it shoudl look liek when you put new chain on and have all marks ligned up.

SR20Inside · 10-17-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_S14

you are 180 degrees out on TDC. rotate it again so that cam sprocket marks are on top it will be easyer to see it.

whats the backgroudn story man.... whhat all did you do and why do you think it may be off ? looks liek all you did was chance the guides and tentioners and you shouldnt have to worry about the timing then.

if it was up to me i'd get new OEM chains and then you wont have to worry about not having it timed properly

below is what it shoudl look liek when you put new chain on and have all marks ligned up.

I was just doing the normal tensioners/guides replacement and it went bad. After getting everything put back together the thing wouldnt start but I started reading and it seems as though you have to mess with the distributor to ensure everything is timed right. I assumed that it'd be like the sr but I should've known better since the ka is a stupid fucking truck motor lol. So now I have to hope that my idiot friend that wanted to keep trying to crank the car over didnt bend any of my valves because it didnt sound good at all when he would try to crank it.

SR20Inside · 10-17-2005, 08:29 PM

BTW that pic you have attached.. is that tdc? The fsm does a great job of not explaining any of this.

*NemeGuero* · 10-17-2005, 10:09 PM

i was going to help you.. BUT, the KA isn't a truck motor.

SR20Inside · 10-17-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

i was going to help you.. BUT, the KA isn't a truck motor.

AHAH come on man it's a joke. Everyone calls it a truck motor

SR20Inside · 10-17-2005, 10:44 PM

It's funny because nissan did that and now they put the qr25de in the b15... same scenario for the most part.

*NemeGuero* · 10-17-2005, 11:58 PM

unless you are %100 sure you replaced everything exactly where it needs to be, I'd start over. off by a chain link could spell disaster. new chains have dots showing their TDC positions. each gear also has a respective dot. there are other posts that specify this..

rotate the motor and see if you can get the dots and colored links to line up.. then redo the distributor

Al_S14 · 10-18-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SR20Inside

BTW that pic you have attached.. is that tdc? The fsm does a great job of not explaining any of this.

yes this is how it should be ... and as others said id remove the chain re time it. but as i said earlyer rotate the engine nore more revolution before taking chain off since it is 180 out now. cam lobes on #1 piston shoudl be pointing away from each other.

you can be off by one link and it will run but wont make much power and idle like crap. IF you had the distributor on #1 and engine was teh way it is now it wouldnt start since it woudl be 180 out.

what you can do to check for bent valves is stick compression tested in and crank engien by hand(pull all plugs out) . you shoudl get around 100psi

PS: next time i hear "truck motor" we're going to have some major issues!

Al_S14 · 10-18-2005, 01:18 PM

o yeah another thing. sometimes at the factory they put timing chain on front side facing inwards so you may not see any marks on it... so once its off flip it over and marks should be on the back.

*NemeGuero* · 10-18-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_S14

PS: next time i hear "truck motor" we're going to have some major issues!

WORD!! it came in the s13 a year before it was released into the hardbody pickup....

SR20Inside · 10-18-2005, 08:01 PM

Now why the hell would nissan do something stupid like putting the timing marks so you can't see them?

*NemeGuero* · 10-18-2005, 10:17 PM

so you have to pay someone else to change it

SR20Inside · 10-19-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

so you have to pay someone else to change it

ahha, it's cool. I love my ka engine

, I AM GOING NA KA w000t

undercoverdjay · 10-19-2005, 02:45 PM

i love my KA's im in the process of looking for a reputable builder for one. Supposedly the one in my daily driver was rebuilt by the guy who had it before me(id trust him as he does have a KA-T putting 476lbs of torque down) but it makes ZERO power untill around 3,000. I mean my stock 92 in my other car would eat this car for breakfast. My friends STOCK 89 SOHC will take my 92 DOHC with a hotshot header, test pipe, N1 dual and injen cold air. Doesnt add up does it? I love the KA but mine has seen better days. Almost tempted to get another SR and put it in there, stock SR would be much nicer.

SR20Inside · 10-19-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoverdjay

i love my KA's im in the process of looking for a reputable builder for one. Supposedly the one in my daily driver was rebuilt by the guy who had it before me(id trust him as he does have a KA-T putting 476lbs of torque down) but it makes ZERO power untill around. I mean my stock 92 in my other car would eat this car for breakfast. My friends STOCK 89 SOHC will take my 92 DOHC with a hotshot header, test pipe, N1 dual and injen cold air. Doesnt add up does it? I love the KA but mine has seen better days. Almost tempted to get another SR and put it in there, stock SR would be much nicer.

That makes no sense man, think you got things mixed up

SR20Inside · 10-20-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_S14

o yeah another thing. sometimes at the factory they put timing chain on front side facing inwards so you may not see any marks on it... so once its off flip it over and marks should be on the back.

Wouldn't there be a way to use a flashlight or something to look at the side of the link to see it? There has to be a way other than taking it off.

SR20Inside · 10-20-2005, 11:32 AM

OMG here it is....

How am I supposed to rotate the chain? Do I have to take one of the cams out?

SR20Inside · 10-20-2005, 01:21 PM

scratch the above, i put a screw driver down the #1 spark plug hole and once the engine was at the top the cams are both pointing away from each other and my distributor is set right to fire on cylinder #1. Why else would it not run?

*NemeGuero* · 10-20-2005, 03:27 PM

your cam timing could still be off from your crank timing if the chain did manage to slip a tooth while you were replacing the guides/tensioners
EM12 has your timing info in the FSM

*NemeGuero* · 10-20-2005, 03:27 PM

also.. check the basics... fuel, air, & spark

SR20Inside · 10-20-2005, 06:56 PM

My plugs were black as all hell and my wires are kinda messed up too so I am going to grab new ones for when i put it all back together. I tore it all apart again this afternoon so I hopefully will get it right this time.

If I am going to be pulling the idler shaft off etc... would it be wise to get new chains while i am at it? the car only has 160k on it and ran AWESOME before I started messing with it.

*NemeGuero* · 10-20-2005, 07:02 PM

new chains is always a good idea.. they can slack after that many miles. When I changed my chain, the new one was NOTICEABLY tighter than the old chain. and i barely had 130k

SR20Inside · 10-21-2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

new chains is always a good idea.. they can slack after that many miles. When I changed my chain, the new one was NOTICEABLY tighter than the old chain. and i barely had 130k

Also has anyone had problems with their water pump leaking coolant on the crank pulley? the breather hole on teh bottom of the water pump seems to be leaking on mine and it drips right behind the crank pulley so it seems the main seal would go bad pretty quick.

Hey Neme, the fsm I downloaded doesnt reference any of the information you are talking about with the timing chain. You have a different one I could download?

*NemeGuero* · 10-21-2005, 03:04 AM

search on here.. otherwise get me your year and i can send it to you.. did you seal your water pump with the liquid sealer stuff?

SR20Inside · 10-21-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

search on here.. otherwise get me your year and i can send it to you.. did you seal your water pump with the liquid sealer stuff?

'93, yea it isn't leaking around the seal it is leaking from the breather hole thing if that makes sense. You haven't come up with any pictures have you? I am still confused what is meant by tdc...

For example yesterday I made sure piston #1 was at its highest, cams pointing away from each other, and the distributor to fire on cylinder #1 but the timing marks weren't lined up.... is that tdc or do you hvae to keep turning the engine until the marks line up? I would assume that would be considering tdc unless the correlation between the cams,crank, and distributor isn't the exact same every rotation..?

*NemeGuero* · 10-21-2005, 04:10 PM

Pics are on my other comp... I'll get them tonight maybe.. your pump shouldn't be leaking at all. Is it new or the old one still? TDC is top dead center, its how everything syncronizes together, the base point if you will. At TDC, the #1 piston is at the top of its compression stroke, the first cam lobes are all pointing outwards and the distributor should be ready to fire on #1.. THAT, is TDC.

SR20Inside · 10-21-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Pics are on my other comp... I'll get them tonight maybe.. your pump shouldn't be leaking at all. Is it new or the old one still? TDC is top dead center, its how everything syncronizes together, the base point if you will. At TDC, the #1 piston is at the top of its compression stroke, the first cam lobes are all pointing outwards and the distributor should be ready to fire on #1.. THAT, is TDC.

Old water pump, only had the car a year so not sure when it was replaced last. Going to get a new one considering the leak

As far as TDC I was talking with some people today and from what we can gather it shouldn't matter if the dots and the colored chain links are matching up as long as the #1 piston is all the way up, cams opposite each other and the dist. pointing at cylinder #1. Does that sound right?

*NemeGuero* · 10-21-2005, 08:02 PM

no, the chain links matter. It ensures the proper spacing between cam openings and cylinder revolutions.. if you're off by a link, you could have interference and that would require a new motor.. or at least a new head after you bent your valves. Timing is CRITICAL.. thats why the details are so tedious

*NemeGuero* · 10-21-2005, 08:45 PM

10-17-2005, 08:29 PM	#4
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	BTW that pic you have attached.. is that tdc? The fsm does a great job of not explaining any of this. __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-17-2005, 10:44 PM	#7
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	It's funny because nissan did that and now they put the qr25de in the b15... same scenario for the most part. __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-18-2005, 08:01 PM	#12
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Now why the hell would nissan do something stupid like putting the timing marks so you can't see them? __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-19-2005, 02:45 PM	#15
undercoverdjay Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Potsdam New York Age: 41 Posts: 594 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i love my KA's im in the process of looking for a reputable builder for one. Supposedly the one in my daily driver was rebuilt by the guy who had it before me(id trust him as he does have a KA-T putting 476lbs of torque down) but it makes ZERO power untill around 3,000. I mean my stock 92 in my other car would eat this car for breakfast. My friends STOCK 89 SOHC will take my 92 DOHC with a hotshot header, test pipe, N1 dual and injen cold air. Doesnt add up does it? I love the KA but mine has seen better days. Almost tempted to get another SR and put it in there, stock SR would be much nicer. Last edited by undercoverdjay; 10-25-2005 at 04:52 PM..

10-20-2005, 11:32 AM	#18
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	OMG here it is.... How am I supposed to rotate the chain? Do I have to take one of the cams out? __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-17-2005, 01:29 AM	#1
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Can you see what my timing is set at by the timing chain marks? Car won't start and haven't had a chance to double check the dist. settings but can anyone even see if my timing is off by this pic? __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-17-2005, 04:47 PM	#2
Al_S14 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chesapeake VA Age: 40 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you are 180 degrees out on TDC. rotate it again so that cam sprocket marks are on top it will be easyer to see it. whats the backgroudn story man.... whhat all did you do and why do you think it may be off ? looks liek all you did was chance the guides and tentioners and you shouldnt have to worry about the timing then. if it was up to me i'd get new OEM chains and then you wont have to worry about not having it timed properly below is what it shoudl look liek when you put new chain on and have all marks ligned up.

10-17-2005, 10:09 PM	#5
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	i was going to help you.. BUT, the KA isn't a truck motor.

10-17-2005, 11:58 PM	#8
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	unless you are %100 sure you replaced everything exactly where it needs to be, I'd start over. off by a chain link could spell disaster. new chains have dots showing their TDC positions. each gear also has a respective dot. there are other posts that specify this.. rotate the motor and see if you can get the dots and colored links to line up.. then redo the distributor

10-18-2005, 01:18 PM	#10
Al_S14 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chesapeake VA Age: 40 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	o yeah another thing. sometimes at the factory they put timing chain on front side facing inwards so you may not see any marks on it... so once its off flip it over and marks should be on the back.

10-18-2005, 10:17 PM	#13
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	so you have to pay someone else to change it

10-20-2005, 01:21 PM	#19
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	scratch the above, i put a screw driver down the #1 spark plug hole and once the engine was at the top the cams are both pointing away from each other and my distributor is set right to fire on cylinder #1. Why else would it not run? __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-20-2005, 03:27 PM	#20
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	your cam timing could still be off from your crank timing if the chain did manage to slip a tooth while you were replacing the guides/tensioners EM12 has your timing info in the FSM

10-20-2005, 06:56 PM	#22
SR20Inside Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandy, UT Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	My plugs were black as all hell and my wires are kinda messed up too so I am going to grab new ones for when i put it all back together. I tore it all apart again this afternoon so I hopefully will get it right this time. If I am going to be pulling the idler shaft off etc... would it be wise to get new chains while i am at it? the car only has 160k on it and ran AWESOME before I started messing with it. __________________ Current Vehicles: HP10 DE + GT28RS AND MUCH MORE :P / S13 STOCK

10-20-2005, 07:02 PM	#23
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	new chains is always a good idea.. they can slack after that many miles. When I changed my chain, the new one was NOTICEABLY tighter than the old chain. and i barely had 130k

10-21-2005, 03:04 AM	#25
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	search on here.. otherwise get me your year and i can send it to you.. did you seal your water pump with the liquid sealer stuff?

10-21-2005, 04:10 PM	#27
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Pics are on my other comp... I'll get them tonight maybe.. your pump shouldn't be leaking at all. Is it new or the old one still? TDC is top dead center, its how everything syncronizes together, the base point if you will. At TDC, the #1 piston is at the top of its compression stroke, the first cam lobes are all pointing outwards and the distributor should be ready to fire on #1.. THAT, is TDC.

10-21-2005, 08:02 PM	#29
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	no, the chain links matter. It ensures the proper spacing between cam openings and cylinder revolutions.. if you're off by a link, you could have interference and that would require a new motor.. or at least a new head after you bent your valves. Timing is CRITICAL.. thats why the details are so tedious

10-21-2005, 08:45 PM	#30
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews