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FallbrookS13 · 01-09-2006, 08:42 PM

Haven't had a license in a long time so i have time to work on the car. I decided to stitch weld as much as i could and the tedious work of removing most of the unnecessary wiring, and relocating it. the two main fuse boxes that are in the engine bay have been relocated to the inside of the car.
list of eliminated wires include... door jam light stuff, dome light, power seat belts, anything that controls the air circulation cause that has all been removed also, horn blah blah pretty much anything that doesnt control the engine or tail and headlights. oh but i still have my stereo

stitch weld stuff.

electrical stuff

these are all the wires left that run to the back of the car. no more huge mess

these are the only wires that run into the engine bay. the harness is small enough that i wont have problems on rubbing so i still ran it through here.

engine bay wires end over here at the passenger headlight.

fuse boxes that are usually near the battery and under the intake box. im going to extend the plugs off the engine harness and they will be fed into that big hole above the bundle of plugs. this area still needs to be cleaned up a little. and i need to extend some stuff for the battery that will be behind the passenger seat.

windshield wiper harness now runs in through here instead of over the wheel through the fender well.

overall shot... some things still need to be cleaned up. most dangling plugs you see are buttons on the dash for headlights. gauge cluster and stereo

older shot. all i want is stock silvia sideskirts as far as exterior goes

my garage.

This car is still staying na-KA for now. no fancy engine stuff goin on. engine bay will just be really simple.

Omarius Maximus · 01-10-2006, 02:14 AM

Your cars lookin awesome! How bout experimenting with that structural foam since your already stitch welding.

FallbrookS13 · 01-10-2006, 02:46 AM

yeah. experimenting with that stuff would be fun. know anywhere i can pick that stuff up in san diego?

cfrost · 01-10-2006, 03:03 AM

sweeeeet lookin drew...now it's time for dirt drops at the balcony and 1 on 1s with a wrx!

Sil Beer S13 · 01-10-2006, 03:25 AM

drew those belong in pics thread.

reefer1114 · 01-10-2006, 03:34 AM

looking good...

FallbrookS13 · 01-10-2006, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sil Beer S13

drew those belong in pics thread.

your my hero

Sil Beer S13 · 01-10-2006, 03:42 AM

^ im going to kill you.

*NemeGuero* · 01-10-2006, 03:44 AM

Wow man. That shit looks GREAT! I wish I had the time/energy to clean my car up like that....

BIG PROPS

PoorMans180SX · 01-10-2006, 07:40 AM

Nice stitch welding....Hope you get the car finished soon!

nigel1 · 01-10-2006, 12:08 PM

very nice. thats what I want to do to an s13 koop.

!Zar! · 01-10-2006, 12:24 PM

http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html
That's the foam they are talking about. There is another place in your area that sells it, the name is slipping my mind at the moment.

FallbrookS13 · 01-10-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html
That's the foam they are talking about. There is another place in your area that sells it, the name is slipping my mind at the moment.

i found this too. http://www.foamseal.com/auto_aftermarket.htm i guess this is the same stuff sport compact car used. i wanna do this.

Sil Beer S13 · 01-10-2006, 05:29 PM

you still have some soundening i see.

and alot of time on your hands. let me leave my car with you for a while.

FallbrookS13 · 01-10-2006, 05:41 PM

yeah just the stuff on the shock towers. got lazy

NateKim · 01-10-2006, 08:02 PM

What did you paint the interior with? How did you strip the stock sound deadening/paint?

McRussellPants · 01-10-2006, 08:08 PM

Why did you stitch the seat braces?

FallbrookS13 · 01-10-2006, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateKim

What did you paint the interior with? How did you strip the stock sound deadening/paint?

i removed the sound deadening with a air hammer/chisel on a cold night. used that technique for 3 cars and seems to work good. i took the bit to a grinder dulled it down and also taped the end of it with some duct tape. its a very delicate process. i dont actually chisel it off more like just vibrate the metal and it comes flying off. i've done the dry ice and other techniques, but i've figured the air chisel out pretty good and can do a whole car pretty quick.

for the seams i just used a heavy duty wire wheel and a hand chisel and just went out it. this is definitely the most tedious part of the project. there is a pretty huge layer going around the bottom of the rear shock towers. I also cleaned the metal with acetone after that. some day im gonna get a good paint job and at that time ill strip everything and get the whole car sprayed inside and out. but for now its just rattle can... like the exterior of my car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

Why did you stitch the seat braces?

pretty much cause i wanted to, pretty simple. its a triangle piece that connects my shock tower to the chassis which is a strong design and i wanted to reinforce it.... you think that structure is only there to support seats ? i doubt that since the coupe has a whole piece that goes across from shock tower to shock tower.. seems like something they had to design for the hatch that wouldn't go all the way across so there could still be good storage room when the seats are down and also add support... im sure that is why they came up with that piece. in addition im sure some cornering forces will be distributed though that piece and now its stronger.

you can see that in this pic

Gladman · 01-10-2006, 11:56 PM

Exactly.... looks cool.

Im surprised you didnt remove all your sound deadening though.

sideview_180sx · 01-11-2006, 12:08 AM

Drew you can do my engine bay harness....

-Aaron

andrewmp6 · 01-11-2006, 12:47 AM

damn you did a shit load of work im lazy i wouldnt have done all that welding lol but it looks great and should be stronger

AeBaSupLook · 01-11-2006, 01:25 AM

Looks great! You did a lot more spots then I did with my brothers Corolla. He wants a cage in there later on, so I just put a stitch inbetween every existing spot weld, untill he gets use to the car, no further chassis work will be done for him... I'll do more once he is comfortable driving it.. Chassis prepping is a bitch, but its all worth it at the end of the job. You get to look into how much effort you put in. The s13 chassis also has a lot more seam and area to stitch. Are you going to remove all the glass and stitch around the door frame and other chassis area? Also great job on relocating the wires, its going to be sick once its all done.

FallbrookS13 · 01-11-2006, 02:37 AM

ill do the more extensive welding later down the road when i get a really good paint job. strip the whole car down again and paint everything inside and out professionally. this was just the result of spare time on my hands

andrewmp6 · 01-12-2006, 05:30 AM

are you gonna run a cage

FallbrookS13 · 01-12-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewmp6

are you gonna run a cage

someday

Chinoliro · 01-13-2006, 09:49 PM

did you cut the wires?
or just unplug/plug again?

DJPimpFlex · 01-15-2006, 08:27 PM

did you just weld it in a sequence or did you go sparatically arround the car. I heard that the heat from welding can actually warp the car. You susposta do it on pinchweld stands to keep the chassis true. Looks nice.

AeBaSupLook · 01-16-2006, 09:23 PM

Keeping the chassis on the ground with all 4 wheels is more then good enough. Just to keep it on the safe side, you can just go sparatically around, but there isn't much heat really from one stitch. They also cool off fairly fast.

Ichi-Go · 01-16-2006, 09:26 PM

Have you ever done it?

It really heats up the metal. If you weld in a line it will get the panel extrememly hot. Maybe when I did it I didnt have the welder setup right or something.

FallbrookS13 · 01-16-2006, 10:11 PM

no i didnt cut the harness. i unplugged the relays so it could fit through the firewall then put them back in the box

as far as the stitch weld goes. i think its good to do it on just a really level ground. not on jack stands or anything. i would assume that you would want the car loaded in the same situation as it would be while driving. on jack stands or some other rig the car would be potentially unevenly loaded.

who knows though. thats my theory and is what i went with. i would do half a seam then move to a different area of the car. it is a good idea to jump all around the car and do bits and pieces here and there.

like half the front shock tower left .

then half the rear right

then half the front right

half the rear left

then go finish them up in that order.

as for long seams. . do a few spots at the beg. then the end. then the middle then just progressively close it all up

and i mean also this is just a backyard built car. no budget or anything backing it. just me fuckin around with shit. its also just a track beater so its something that is pretty expendable. not some time attack or jgtc car where every minute detail could potentially draw gains. i just stitch welded it to obvious stiffen things up and the car is in good frame condition now and i wanted to tighten it up more. cause as the years go by and you drift and hit up track events more and more the car just gets tired and not as responsive as it was years ago

01-09-2006, 08:42 PM	#1
FallbrookS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fallbrook, CA ....i love this place Age: 40 Posts: 126 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	MyBuildup. stich weld wire relocation Haven't had a license in a long time so i have time to work on the car. I decided to stitch weld as much as i could and the tedious work of removing most of the unnecessary wiring, and relocating it. the two main fuse boxes that are in the engine bay have been relocated to the inside of the car. list of eliminated wires include... door jam light stuff, dome light, power seat belts, anything that controls the air circulation cause that has all been removed also, horn blah blah pretty much anything that doesnt control the engine or tail and headlights. oh but i still have my stereo stitch weld stuff. electrical stuff these are all the wires left that run to the back of the car. no more huge mess these are the only wires that run into the engine bay. the harness is small enough that i wont have problems on rubbing so i still ran it through here. engine bay wires end over here at the passenger headlight. fuse boxes that are usually near the battery and under the intake box. im going to extend the plugs off the engine harness and they will be fed into that big hole above the bundle of plugs. this area still needs to be cleaned up a little. and i need to extend some stuff for the battery that will be behind the passenger seat. windshield wiper harness now runs in through here instead of over the wheel through the fender well. overall shot... some things still need to be cleaned up. most dangling plugs you see are buttons on the dash for headlights. gauge cluster and stereo older shot. all i want is stock silvia sideskirts as far as exterior goes my garage. This car is still staying na-KA for now. no fancy engine stuff goin on. engine bay will just be really simple. __________________ hi.

01-10-2006, 02:46 AM	#3
FallbrookS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fallbrook, CA ....i love this place Age: 40 Posts: 126 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah. experimenting with that stuff would be fun. know anywhere i can pick that stuff up in san diego? __________________ hi.

01-10-2006, 03:03 AM	#4
cfrost Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orange, CA Age: 39 Posts: 924 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	sweeeeet lookin drew...now it's time for dirt drops at the balcony and 1 on 1s with a wrx! __________________

01-10-2006, 03:44 AM	#9
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Wow man. That shit looks GREAT! I wish I had the time/energy to clean my car up like that.... BIG PROPS __________________

01-10-2006, 12:08 PM	#11
nigel1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fresno Ca Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	very nice. thats what I want to do to an s13 koop. __________________ +0 offset PWNS me

01-10-2006, 02:14 AM	#2
Omarius Maximus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 564 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Your cars lookin awesome! How bout experimenting with that structural foam since your already stitch welding.

01-10-2006, 03:25 AM	#5
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	drew those belong in pics thread.

01-10-2006, 03:34 AM	#6
reefer1114 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in your womans pants Posts: 638 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looking good...

01-10-2006, 03:42 AM	#8
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ im going to kill you.

01-10-2006, 07:40 AM	#10
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 37 Posts: 5,616 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Nice stitch welding....Hope you get the car finished soon!

01-10-2006, 12:24 PM	#12
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html That's the foam they are talking about. There is another place in your area that sells it, the name is slipping my mind at the moment. __________________

01-10-2006, 05:29 PM	#14
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 43 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you still have some soundening i see. and alot of time on your hands. let me leave my car with you for a while.

01-10-2006, 05:41 PM	#15
FallbrookS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fallbrook, CA ....i love this place Age: 40 Posts: 126 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah just the stuff on the shock towers. got lazy __________________ hi.

01-10-2006, 08:02 PM	#16
NateKim Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What did you paint the interior with? How did you strip the stock sound deadening/paint?

01-10-2006, 08:08 PM	#17
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why did you stitch the seat braces?

01-10-2006, 11:56 PM	#19
Gladman Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Age: 39 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Exactly.... looks cool. Im surprised you didnt remove all your sound deadening though. __________________ Kick Ass 2.4Liter Engine!

01-11-2006, 12:08 AM	#20
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Drew you can do my engine bay harness.... -Aaron __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

01-11-2006, 12:47 AM	#21
andrewmp6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: kentucky Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn you did a shit load of work im lazy i wouldnt have done all that welding lol but it looks great and should be stronger

01-11-2006, 01:25 AM	#22
AeBaSupLook Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: California Posts: 275 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks great! You did a lot more spots then I did with my brothers Corolla. He wants a cage in there later on, so I just put a stitch inbetween every existing spot weld, untill he gets use to the car, no further chassis work will be done for him... I'll do more once he is comfortable driving it.. Chassis prepping is a bitch, but its all worth it at the end of the job. You get to look into how much effort you put in. The s13 chassis also has a lot more seam and area to stitch. Are you going to remove all the glass and stitch around the door frame and other chassis area? Also great job on relocating the wires, its going to be sick once its all done.

01-11-2006, 02:37 AM	#23
FallbrookS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fallbrook, CA ....i love this place Age: 40 Posts: 126 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ill do the more extensive welding later down the road when i get a really good paint job. strip the whole car down again and paint everything inside and out professionally. this was just the result of spare time on my hands __________________ hi.

01-12-2006, 05:30 AM	#24
andrewmp6 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: kentucky Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	are you gonna run a cage

01-13-2006, 09:49 PM	#26
Chinoliro Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tijuana, Mexico Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	did you cut the wires? or just unplug/plug again? __________________

01-15-2006, 08:27 PM	#27
DJPimpFlex Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Age: 39 Posts: 6,158 Trader Rating: (115) Rides Gallery: DJPimpFlex Feedback Score: 115 reviews	did you just weld it in a sequence or did you go sparatically arround the car. I heard that the heat from welding can actually warp the car. You susposta do it on pinchweld stands to keep the chassis true. Looks nice. __________________

01-16-2006, 09:23 PM	#28
AeBaSupLook Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: California Posts: 275 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Keeping the chassis on the ground with all 4 wheels is more then good enough. Just to keep it on the safe side, you can just go sparatically around, but there isn't much heat really from one stitch. They also cool off fairly fast.

01-16-2006, 09:26 PM	#29
Ichi-Go Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Jacksonville,FL Age: 37 Posts: 122 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Have you ever done it? It really heats up the metal. If you weld in a line it will get the panel extrememly hot. Maybe when I did it I didnt have the welder setup right or something.

01-16-2006, 10:11 PM	#30
FallbrookS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Fallbrook, CA ....i love this place Age: 40 Posts: 126 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no i didnt cut the harness. i unplugged the relays so it could fit through the firewall then put them back in the box as far as the stitch weld goes. i think its good to do it on just a really level ground. not on jack stands or anything. i would assume that you would want the car loaded in the same situation as it would be while driving. on jack stands or some other rig the car would be potentially unevenly loaded. who knows though. thats my theory and is what i went with. i would do half a seam then move to a different area of the car. it is a good idea to jump all around the car and do bits and pieces here and there. like half the front shock tower left . then half the rear right then half the front right half the rear left then go finish them up in that order. as for long seams. . do a few spots at the beg. then the end. then the middle then just progressively close it all up and i mean also this is just a backyard built car. no budget or anything backing it. just me fuckin around with shit. its also just a track beater so its something that is pretty expendable. not some time attack or jgtc car where every minute detail could potentially draw gains. i just stitch welded it to obvious stiffen things up and the car is in good frame condition now and i wanted to tighten it up more. cause as the years go by and you drift and hit up track events more and more the car just gets tired and not as responsive as it was years ago __________________ hi.