Hispanic Illegal Immigration into the US (PW)

[Romeyo07]

The b.s. assylum call is well called IMO. If you're running from something and you need to leave immediately, you probably brought it upon yourself. Why isn't EVERYONE else running with you.

[khmerguy618]

Mr. clark
"germs' weren't discovered until the 1800's, but pizzarro and cortez saw that the natives weren't immune to the disease they brought over and exposed them to em and then used that along with unifying some of the natives surround enemies to conquer them. They may not have had a label for it then, but they knew what they were doing.

Exit
I understand what you mean when you say if they're here illegally then thats the bottom line, but maybe you don't see that my point is that this is directed towards people of color not white folks.

Do you think they will question a white illegal immigrants status the same as say someone who looks latino walking down the street? And who is going to enforce it? The police? "i stopped you because you fit the profile of an illegal immigrant" oh wait some people don't have to worry because their skin lacks melanin.

[khmerguy618]

These are just opinions and viewpoints, thank you guys for being honest in what you believe in. Glad we can discuss this in a civilized manner

Romey, Hey if you think assylum is BS thas fine, but how do you know not everyone and running and only a handful can make it? I'd say 1 out of 12 people in a family is a pretty low percentage of people who made it during a war.

Some people can fake the funk about being here on assylum, but many are valid, my coworker was almost ripped off his bike in indonesia during the riots where they targeted people who look chinese. He just got assylum and he has been here for a couple of years now, and please don't think it's all shits and giggles when you get assylum, because you can't see your family thats over there. You're here in the US and can't go back (well u ran for a reason but still home is home right?)

[Romeyo07]

AND! So what. I mean I'm a fellow hispanic, but when I'm at the ATM I'd be more concerned if there was a latino behind me rather a white guy. Let them question the hispanic. If he can prove himself, then the cop will let him go.

What does that have to do with being illegally here. More often than not, profiling will work.

[exitspeed]

[QUOTE=khmerguy618]
Exit
I understand what you mean when you say if they're here illegally then thats the bottom line, but maybe you don't see that my point is that this is directed towards people of color not white folks.

[QUOTE]

Well that's like critisizing Jennie Craig for targeting fat people. The reason it's directed towards them is because they are the #1 problem/offender statistcally.

[Romeyo07]

+1 exitspeed

[mRclARK1]

Originally posted by: khmerguy618
"germs' weren't discovered until the 1800's, but pizzarro and cortez saw that the natives weren't immune to the disease they brought over and exposed them to em and then used that along with unifying some of the natives surround enemies to conquer them. They may not have had a label for it then, but they knew what they were doing.

You keep talking about it like they knew what diseases were. No one in the world at the time had a concept of "disease" or "immunity" as we do. They didn't know the human body could get "sick" or "infected" like we think of it today. Most of the Christian European world at the time believed that "plagues" were a result of evil spirits, demons, curses or punishments from God. Come on, they didn't run around coughing on the natives to make them sick, they didn't even know that a disease was a biological infection within their body that they could pass to others. They believed the natives were suffering these plagues because of their pagan practices, human sacrifices and (in the minds of the spanish chrisitians) devil worship. They had no concept of a communicable disease and/or immunity to a disease, therefore they could not have infected the natives intentionally. Anyway, this is getting way off topic so I'm done on this point.

[mRclARK1]

Originally posted by: exitspeed
Well that's like critisizing Jennie Craig for targeting fat people. The reason it's directed towards them is because they are the #1 problem/offender statistcally.

Exactly. It's the exact same thing as focusing on muslims as far as terrorism is concerned. If your problem tends to be with a particular demographic...it's completely reasonable they would be subject to more scrutiny. It's NOT fair, but when was the world a fair place?

[lowviscosity]

Originally Posted by khmerguy618

Exit, you can say its not a matter of race, but if you really look at it, who is this law targeting, they aren't screening anyone from europe, gee why is that? I can sympathize with the whole legality point of view on going through the process but some people don't have time to go through the process (those claiming assylum...when you're fearing for your life in your own country). So they don't have the "consititutional rights that we have here, well don't we all as people have a right to live and strive for a better life for us and our families?

lowviscosity, The bill doesn't only affect the "illegals" it affects those who are in contact with them including doctors, teachers, and other people who have an obligation to help those in need. If you are a doctor and someone is shot are you going to turn them away because they're an "illegal immigrant"? KNowing that they would die if you didn't treat them? Now would you be more likely to turn them away and let them die if you could go to jail for it? It's a method of dehumanizing them and saying the people who aren't "american" aren't as good as us so it's no problem to turn the other cheek.

This is why they are going through the bill and re-writing different parts. And there is so much debate over what is going on. I don't think we should "de-humanize" anyone, but this is a small situation to whats really going on. You bring up a doctor... do you have any more examples of "de-humanizing"? The fact is they would go to jail for one being illegal, also they would probably get proper treatment knowing how our jail systems work. They would be treated as a crimanal which is respectable to what they have done.

Oh and about your Europe comment... like someone stated above they aren't the number one offenders of this law infact they can't easily step across the border. Mainly they come from planes and in order to come over here on a plane you will need documentation stating what you are here for (i.e. passport)
By all means i'm not saying it is just hispanics but the majority (look at the numbers) are of the race.

[DRavenS13]

The only reason hispanics get the finger pointed at them more is because it IS a lot easier to jump over an imaginary line/wall/cross a river than it is to cross an ocean. But that's not to say that people overseas don't get here illegally either. Hispanics are just targeted more because there's more of us here. How many Asians do you think come over on cargo ships? They always fit at least 200 of them into those things, and half of them come dead. Haha, even Muslims come over here trying to pass as Hispanics because it's easier to blend.

[dannyboi]

Originally Posted by DRavenS13

The only reason hispanics get the finger pointed at them more is because it IS a lot easier to jump over an imaginary line/wall/cross a river than it is to cross an ocean. But that's not to say that people overseas don't get here illegally either. Hispanics are just targeted more because there's more of us here. How many Asians do you think come over on cargo ships? They always fit at least 200 of them into those things, and half of them come dead. Haha, even Muslims come over here trying to pass as Hispanics because it's easier to blend.

No shit, genious... that's kinda the whole point. But let me ask you something... when was the last time an illegal asian stole something, did a hit and run, or forced american kids to sit in a fucking hallway for class because the whole school is overcrowded?

And atleast FOBs try to learn english. When i was in high school, the mexican immigrant kids would be speaking spanish and the chinese kids would carry around english translation books and pocket electric translators.

[hitman]

Originally Posted by lowviscosity

He has a point... and if they are illegal they do not have "first admendment rights"

Take it to where they are... where they came from do not bring it here if you want a better life do it legally. Don't expect a good outcome from coming into here illegally. Like someone said before its like "stealing a car then protesting its your car"

actually they do, just like they under the rules of our laws, our laws protect them as well.

[infinitexsound]

all of u guys who are bitching about this crap are pitiful.....

[TAMTANIUM]

Originally Posted by dannyboi

No shit, genious... that's kinda the whole point. But let me ask you something... when was the last time an illegal asian stole something, did a hit and run, or forced american kids to sit in a fucking hallway for class because the whole school is overcrowded?

And atleast FOBs try to learn english. When i was in high school, the mexican immigrant kids would be speaking spanish and the chinese kids would carry around english translation books and pocket electric translators.

+1 you said it all right.

[DoriftoPnoy]

Man what I don't understand is that those kids have to go out and walk onto the fuckin freeway. It's like "KILL ME NOW IM ILLEGAL". Those kids are just giving a reason why shouldn't let any more stupid people like that in this country. What's wrong with mexico anyways? It's not like they're under a dictatorship.

[4thHorse]

What a dumb statement. There are lazy white people, lazy black people, lazy asian people, lazy hispanic people. Whether some one is lazy and doesn't work has nothing to do with skin color. That's like saying all *blank* people are racist...racism, laziness and many other problems permeate every ethnic group in existence. Humanity is flawed...get used to it.[/QUOTE]


That was my point, never did I say any such thing. It was a reply to someone else.

[Romeyo07]

Hispanics are known to be lazy, it's in our genes, that's why there's a stereotype for it.

Maybe the hispanics out west are different from the east coast. The hispanics I went to school with spoke Spanglish (english and spanish together). They learned english and talked spanish when they couldn't figure how to say it in english. For the most part, out here that hasn't been an issue.

[lowviscosity]

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

all of u guys who are bitching about this crap are pitiful.....

And the people that don't give a f*ck about whats going on in their country are even more pitiful. This is exactly why it ended up like this because someone didn't give a rats a$$ about our borders.

[exitspeed]

I don't think this should turn into a a racial thing guys. The debate has been relatively OK with just a few unappropriate comments.

Let's not get this locked.

[Tenchuu]

Originally Posted by lowviscosity

And the people that don't give a f*ck about whats going on in their country are even more pitiful. This is exactly why it ended up like this because someone didn't give a rats a$$ about our borders.

Sometimes I make smaller page borders when i am printing. Does that lead to illeagal immigration and mean that i don;t give a rats a$$ about borders??

[Romeyo07]

Originally Posted by Tenchuu

Sometimes I make smaller page borders when i am printing. Does that lead to illeagal immigration and mean that i don;t give a rats a$$ about borders??

huh? If you say so

[Tenchuu]

sorry, gues it wasn't as funny as i hoped. just trying to lighten up the conversation a bit.

[infinitexsound]

Originally Posted by lowviscosity

And the people that don't give a f*ck about whats going on in their country are even more pitiful. This is exactly why it ended up like this because someone didn't give a rats a$$ about our borders.

i find that hard to believe.... and to let u know i am also an immigrant...

[DRavenS13]

It shouldn't be a debate about race, because honestly, immgration laws affect every race, no matter where they come from, generally. But you have to admit- the fact that they only want to make the security tighter at the Mexican border is kinda on the biased side. They make it seem like Mexico is the only way to get in. What about the Canadian Border? Why don't they make a huge wall up there? I'm sure there are lots of people that get in thru Canada, I mean, people manage to bring cheaper meds from there with no problem, right?

[mRclARK1]

Originally posted by: DRavenS13
It shouldn't be a debate about race, because honestly, immgration laws affect every race, no matter where they come from, generally. But you have to admit- the fact that they only want to make the security tighter at the Mexican border is kinda on the biased side. They make it seem like Mexico is the only way to get in. What about the Canadian Border? Why don't they make a huge wall up there? I'm sure there are lots of people that get in thru Canada, I mean, people manage to bring cheaper meds from there with no problem, right?

The reason the security is going to be tighter only on the Mexican border is because that is where the vast majority of the problem is. There is very little illegal immigration into the US from Canada, mainly because Canada has the same wealth and standard of living as the US. Also, getting into Canada used to be pretty easy (still is if your an American citizen), but ever since 9/11 the immigration security has gotten quite a bit tighter.

There is actually alot of talk about integrating the US-Canadian border security even more, so US-Canadian citizens can travel easily between the 2 countries, while keeping illegals and terrorists out of both. I have lived in both countries, and I'm sure that if it became a problem at the US-Canada border...both sides would try to tighten it up pretty quick, considering how big it is.

[Romeyo07]

I thought this was a funny political cartoon

[lowviscosity]

Originally Posted by Romeyo07

I thought this was a funny political cartoon

I saw so much of that April 9th downtown.. all mexican flags

[TOMKAIRA93]

WOW!!!! UOOFFF....After reading all the posts of this thread I don't think I have energy to write.

First, I'm an immigrant myself, from Panama. You don't hear about us cause it's really no different there (Panama) then it is in the U.S.A. with the exception of salarays. In order for you to make good money you have to be an executive or something at bank or know somoene that can hook you up with a good job working for the government. I say this because that's one of the reasons some of us move to the U.S.A, so we don't have to deal with all that crap. I'm a full U.S. citizen and I'm currently serving in the US Air Force stationed in Iraq (right now). I was never poor, thank God, but I still wanted to come to the US to have a different experience and see what I could do. Well, ever since I joined the military I've done everything I could to better myself, i.e.; go to college, learn new skills, etc...I have accoplished that plus some, so am ready to move on.

Second, I've notice how some people don't understand that the whole reasoning behind this law is so they can say or perhaps somehow relase some of that guilt for what happen in 9/11. All they need to do is tighten up the boarders (canada, mexico and miami for island drifters) and that should cut down the problem. Why spend tax payers dollars trying to search and punish those that are already in country? I mean, lets be honest...the good illegal immigrants will continue to do good things and eventually find the way to become legal...the bad seeds will just find ways to get in trouble, killed, so they'll cancel out eventually...slowly but surely. And there's also some of you that think they need to be jailed....come one, that's tax payers dollars, too, the same for deporting them. greyhounds and plane rides cost $$.

Third, I truly beleive that no race is better then the other. It's a matter of character and perseverance in what you do. If you can't get a job somewhere, try the next place and then the other until you find one. While in the military I've worked at Burger King (needed more cash to hit spring brake), I've also caddied at PGA tour tournaments (lots of money there), so I've done lots of other things outside of the military. It's all about what you want in life and where you want to be later in life.

Fourth, I don't agree with people demanding, regardless of race, for benefits if they don't deserve it. I think they should keep doing what they are doing and find ways to make ends meet. There are many ways of making legal money in this country. I'm serious!!! I think some people are just ashame to do certain things, hell...if its paying your bills that's all you've got to worry about.

Fifth, Please don't call anyone lazy just because you are...I've seen White, Black, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Panamenia, Chinese, Japanese, Filipino people that are lazy as hell. Going back to what I said earlier, it's all in your character and what you want in life. I want the best for my wife and two kids, so I'm striving to finish my Masters Degree by next year, get out the military and get me a nice paying job. The military beleive it or not pays OK if you live overseas, but I'm not digging deploying for 6 month at a time...can't be away from my family that long.

Finally, I just want to thank all of you that have taken the time to write and read this whole thread as it shows there are pople out there that care about other things aside from cars. I'm a proud, humble servant of this country and I wish the best to all those in need here in the US, legal or illegal, but it's impossible to fix all of our problems when we're so busy trying to fix the rest of the world.

Take care everyone