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MakotoS13 · 07-07-2004, 08:38 PM

okay so i started out showing this guy from the ranger forums some pics of what i've been working on then things got ugly...

aftershock112r: what u doin to it?
Makoto seven: restoration and modification
Makoto seven: currently getting it ready for paint
aftershock112r: awesome
Makoto seven: undoing 14 years of crap takes a little more than two months
aftershock112r: its an old 240 aint it? or is it a 180
Makoto seven: 240
aftershock112r: coo
Makoto seven: 180's were never made in america
aftershock112r: what motor is in it?
Makoto seven: the 12 valve KA24
aftershock112r: ah ok
aftershock112r: coo
Makoto seven: i'm gonna build a 16valve turbocharged 2.4L motor
Makoto seven: it's gonna be great
aftershock112r: heh coo
aftershock112r: i'd go with a bone stock SR20
aftershock112r: or a SR20DET
Makoto seven: my setup will smoke a SR20 like a cheap cigar
Makoto seven: on low boost

aftershock112r: heh ok
Makoto seven: 300ftlbs tq @ 7psi...
aftershock112r: better build that bottom end up
aftershock112r: lol
Makoto seven: the SR has a horribly weak valve train
Makoto seven: that's why i can't use it
aftershock112r: im not talkina bout top end...bottom end
Makoto seven: i need a dependable 350hp/tq at the crank and USEABLE torque
Makoto seven: the numbers i just gave you are from a bone stock motor
aftershock112r: a KA24 dont even have 200
aftershock112r: 1 turbo with 7psi will not bump it to 300
Makoto seven: mkay

aftershock112r: and like i was saying, you better build your bottom end up if you are using the KA...
aftershock112r: mmkay lol
Makoto seven: i won't argue what i've seen plenty of times
aftershock112r: ok
aftershock112r: its what you've seen...do you know what goes into building a KA24 to 300hp?
aftershock112r: your stock bottom end wont hold lol
Makoto seven: i won't have a stock bottom end
Makoto seven: but that isn't the discussion
aftershock112r: right...so you saying a 160hp KA24 will go from that to 300, with single turbo @7psi?
aftershock112r: got any tech articles on this?
Makoto seven: 155 hp and pretty much
aftershock112r: you better replace everything
Makoto seven: okay, i think you need to read up on the KA motor
aftershock112r: oh i have lol
aftershock112r: and im an SR20 fan
aftershock112r: and it really isnt worth the money to even work on that motor...SR20 has so much more potential
Makoto seven: HAHA
aftershock112r: thats like trying to make a non Cosworth escort a sports car lol
aftershock112r: haha ok
aftershock112r: do it, then show me
aftershock112r: then i'll believe you
Makoto seven: the main thing that screws up motors is too litlte fuel, anyhow
aftershock112r: im a minitrucker, i dont go by what you are going to do...you build a rep by what you do
aftershock112r: heh ok
Makoto seven: i haven't seen one KA that just died under stress
Makoto seven: you aren't listening
aftershock112r: i am lol
Makoto seven: i'm not saying i'm slappin a turbo on a stock motor
aftershock112r: i know
aftershock112r: i know what you are trying to do
Makoto seven: so proving you wrong won't happen in this instance
aftershock112r: yeah, do it, show me what you put in it...then put it on a dyno when you are done, even 2 yrs from now..until then, im with my SR20
Makoto seven: dude, almost all the SR's you know about are at 280hp or below
Makoto seven: most people keep them relatively stock
aftershock112r: nah dude
Makoto seven: hell, they need 14psi just to hit like mid 200's
aftershock112r: ok
Makoto seven: the larger displllacement and iron block AND better valvetrain work in favor of the KA24DE
aftershock112r: oh ok
Makoto seven: i mean, even if the SR's top could hold up as well as the KA's it still wouldn't have an iron block and it still wouldn't have that extra .4 liter
aftershock112r: yeah
Makoto seven: displacement, materials, and engineering matter and as it stands the KA is one tough SOB
Makoto seven: i'm well beyond being any sort of newbie to 240's and sure as hell not a newbie to motorsports
aftershock112r: you race any?
Makoto seven: besides for the amount of money it'd take to swap a stock SR into my car i could have over 300hp/tq from a KA-T that's build from the ground up with the good stuff.
Makoto seven: of course i do
aftershock112r: what do you race?
Makoto seven: proffessionally? nothing
Makoto seven: so you're a pro racer now?
aftershock112r: huh?
Makoto seven: you're asking the cars or the events?
Makoto seven: i've raced and driven hard just about every performance car i can get my handss on
aftershock112r: you said you arent new to motorsports..then what do you do
Makoto seven: which is pretty much a lot
aftershock112r: you work around cars?
Makoto seven: my family owns a ford dealership
aftershock112r: oh ok
Makoto seven: wee'
Makoto seven: we've done this all our lives
aftershock112r: my family has been around cars since the 70's int he philippines
Makoto seven: hell, i can't fight the urge to tinker with a computer case when i get bored
aftershock112r: my dad raced slalom with his 180
Makoto seven: dude, that matters about as much to me as how much my crap weighed yesterday
aftershock112r: i raced am minicarts b4 i left when i was 11
aftershock112r: yeah, you treat me as if i know nothing
Makoto seven: good for him and you, i'm sure it was fun
aftershock112r: you seem to know it all
aftershock112r: thats good
Makoto seven: actually you're doing all that my friend
aftershock112r: like i said, do it..then show me
aftershock112r: lol
aftershock112r: ok
Makoto seven: i know from everything i've read
aftershock112r: i know from beeing around them
Makoto seven: i used to be like you and think thej SR is god too till i started reading up on it dude
aftershock112r: from my experience with my dad SR20's have been more reliable than KA24's
Makoto seven: you think i just decided this on a whim?
aftershock112r: nah
Makoto seven: hell, do you think i decided to buy this car based on the same fickle urge?
aftershock112r: naw
Makoto seven: no dude, i got exactly what i wanted and as it stands the KA appears to be a hell of a lot tougher than the SR
aftershock112r: im just sayin man, dont treat me as if im stupid
aftershock112r: heh then great
aftershock112r: prove it to me
Makoto seven: how many cars do you see hitting 2500K?
Makoto seven: 250K*
Makoto seven: i'm not sayin your stupid
Makoto seven: i'm sayin you are wrong
Makoto seven:

Makoto seven: from my point of view anyhow
aftershock112r: i can take that man...but im just trying to defend my status, just like you are
Makoto seven: if thats insulting to you then fine, throw a fit
aftershock112r: but just another question, what do youy plan to do with this car?
Makoto seven: i just feel that you are incorrect in your view of the SR
Makoto seven: this whole conversation is kinda retarded anyhow
aftershock112r: whats the purpose, is it for drag? autocross, track, time attack?
Makoto seven: all of the above
aftershock112r: ok
aftershock112r: good luck with it
Makoto seven: i want to do time attack and track though
Makoto seven: drag is just something all of us have to do... lol
aftershock112r: yeah
Makoto seven: hey i'm a member of zilvia
Makoto seven: you should join
aftershock112r: naw man, thats ok
aftershock112r: im just a fan, not really hard core into it
Makoto seven: okay, you're missing out
Makoto seven: yeah, i realize that
aftershock112r: its just because my dad raced nissans
aftershock112r: fell in love with them ever since, they tough
aftershock112r: im into my trucks...maybe if i would have bought a car, it'd be diff
aftershock112r: heh
Makoto seven: i have and love both

Makoto seven: actually i love all things automotive
aftershock112r: but yea man,i really wasnt trying to down you...was just trying to defend my standpoint
Makoto seven: i'm starting to grow an affinity for bikes too
aftershock112r: heh yea
aftershock112r: heh...i liek bikes, just will not ride them
Makoto seven: seriously man, 7psi...
Makoto seven:

aftershock112r: but seriously, i was just defending my view....like i said, prove me wrong
Makoto seven: i want a buell

that's when he started yapping about all these bikes i didn't give a crap about so i said i had to go. yeah, i do realize that some of the actual numbers might have been off but that guy was probably creamin his panties at the thought of his god (er, i mean the SR).

just thought it might be funny to read. enjoy!

07-07-2004, 08:38 PM	#1
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 42 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	funny chat session okay so i started out showing this guy from the ranger forums some pics of what i've been working on then things got ugly... aftershock112r: what u doin to it? Makoto seven: restoration and modification Makoto seven: currently getting it ready for paint aftershock112r: awesome Makoto seven: undoing 14 years of crap takes a little more than two months aftershock112r: its an old 240 aint it? or is it a 180 Makoto seven: 240 aftershock112r: coo Makoto seven: 180's were never made in america aftershock112r: what motor is in it? Makoto seven: the 12 valve KA24 aftershock112r: ah ok aftershock112r: coo Makoto seven: i'm gonna build a 16valve turbocharged 2.4L motor Makoto seven: it's gonna be great aftershock112r: heh coo aftershock112r: i'd go with a bone stock SR20 aftershock112r: or a SR20DET Makoto seven: my setup will smoke a SR20 like a cheap cigar Makoto seven: on low boost aftershock112r: heh ok Makoto seven: 300ftlbs tq @ 7psi... aftershock112r: better build that bottom end up aftershock112r: lol Makoto seven: the SR has a horribly weak valve train Makoto seven: that's why i can't use it aftershock112r: im not talkina bout top end...bottom end Makoto seven: i need a dependable 350hp/tq at the crank and USEABLE torque Makoto seven: the numbers i just gave you are from a bone stock motor aftershock112r: a KA24 dont even have 200 aftershock112r: 1 turbo with 7psi will not bump it to 300 Makoto seven: mkay aftershock112r: and like i was saying, you better build your bottom end up if you are using the KA... aftershock112r: mmkay lol Makoto seven: i won't argue what i've seen plenty of times aftershock112r: ok aftershock112r: its what you've seen...do you know what goes into building a KA24 to 300hp? aftershock112r: your stock bottom end wont hold lol Makoto seven: i won't have a stock bottom end Makoto seven: but that isn't the discussion aftershock112r: right...so you saying a 160hp KA24 will go from that to 300, with single turbo @7psi? aftershock112r: got any tech articles on this? Makoto seven: 155 hp and pretty much aftershock112r: you better replace everything Makoto seven: okay, i think you need to read up on the KA motor aftershock112r: oh i have lol aftershock112r: and im an SR20 fan aftershock112r: and it really isnt worth the money to even work on that motor...SR20 has so much more potential Makoto seven: HAHA aftershock112r: thats like trying to make a non Cosworth escort a sports car lol aftershock112r: haha ok aftershock112r: do it, then show me aftershock112r: then i'll believe you Makoto seven: the main thing that screws up motors is too litlte fuel, anyhow aftershock112r: im a minitrucker, i dont go by what you are going to do...you build a rep by what you do aftershock112r: heh ok Makoto seven: i haven't seen one KA that just died under stress Makoto seven: you aren't listening aftershock112r: i am lol Makoto seven: i'm not saying i'm slappin a turbo on a stock motor aftershock112r: i know aftershock112r: i know what you are trying to do Makoto seven: so proving you wrong won't happen in this instance aftershock112r: yeah, do it, show me what you put in it...then put it on a dyno when you are done, even 2 yrs from now..until then, im with my SR20 Makoto seven: dude, almost all the SR's you know about are at 280hp or below Makoto seven: most people keep them relatively stock aftershock112r: nah dude Makoto seven: hell, they need 14psi just to hit like mid 200's aftershock112r: ok Makoto seven: the larger displllacement and iron block AND better valvetrain work in favor of the KA24DE aftershock112r: oh ok Makoto seven: i mean, even if the SR's top could hold up as well as the KA's it still wouldn't have an iron block and it still wouldn't have that extra .4 liter aftershock112r: yeah Makoto seven: displacement, materials, and engineering matter and as it stands the KA is one tough SOB Makoto seven: i'm well beyond being any sort of newbie to 240's and sure as hell not a newbie to motorsports aftershock112r: you race any? Makoto seven: besides for the amount of money it'd take to swap a stock SR into my car i could have over 300hp/tq from a KA-T that's build from the ground up with the good stuff. Makoto seven: of course i do aftershock112r: what do you race? Makoto seven: proffessionally? nothing Makoto seven: so you're a pro racer now? aftershock112r: huh? Makoto seven: you're asking the cars or the events? Makoto seven: i've raced and driven hard just about every performance car i can get my handss on aftershock112r: you said you arent new to motorsports..then what do you do Makoto seven: which is pretty much a lot aftershock112r: you work around cars? Makoto seven: my family owns a ford dealership aftershock112r: oh ok Makoto seven: wee' Makoto seven: we've done this all our lives aftershock112r: my family has been around cars since the 70's int he philippines Makoto seven: hell, i can't fight the urge to tinker with a computer case when i get bored aftershock112r: my dad raced slalom with his 180 Makoto seven: dude, that matters about as much to me as how much my crap weighed yesterday aftershock112r: i raced am minicarts b4 i left when i was 11 aftershock112r: yeah, you treat me as if i know nothing Makoto seven: good for him and you, i'm sure it was fun aftershock112r: you seem to know it all aftershock112r: thats good Makoto seven: actually you're doing all that my friend aftershock112r: like i said, do it..then show me aftershock112r: lol aftershock112r: ok Makoto seven: i know from everything i've read aftershock112r: i know from beeing around them Makoto seven: i used to be like you and think thej SR is god too till i started reading up on it dude aftershock112r: from my experience with my dad SR20's have been more reliable than KA24's Makoto seven: you think i just decided this on a whim? aftershock112r: nah Makoto seven: hell, do you think i decided to buy this car based on the same fickle urge? aftershock112r: naw Makoto seven: no dude, i got exactly what i wanted and as it stands the KA appears to be a hell of a lot tougher than the SR aftershock112r: im just sayin man, dont treat me as if im stupid aftershock112r: heh then great aftershock112r: prove it to me Makoto seven: how many cars do you see hitting 2500K? Makoto seven: 250K* Makoto seven: i'm not sayin your stupid Makoto seven: i'm sayin you are wrong Makoto seven: Makoto seven: from my point of view anyhow aftershock112r: i can take that man...but im just trying to defend my status, just like you are Makoto seven: if thats insulting to you then fine, throw a fit aftershock112r: but just another question, what do youy plan to do with this car? Makoto seven: i just feel that you are incorrect in your view of the SR Makoto seven: this whole conversation is kinda retarded anyhow aftershock112r: whats the purpose, is it for drag? autocross, track, time attack? Makoto seven: all of the above aftershock112r: ok aftershock112r: good luck with it Makoto seven: i want to do time attack and track though Makoto seven: drag is just something all of us have to do... lol aftershock112r: yeah Makoto seven: hey i'm a member of zilvia Makoto seven: you should join aftershock112r: naw man, thats ok aftershock112r: im just a fan, not really hard core into it Makoto seven: okay, you're missing out Makoto seven: yeah, i realize that aftershock112r: its just because my dad raced nissans aftershock112r: fell in love with them ever since, they tough aftershock112r: im into my trucks...maybe if i would have bought a car, it'd be diff aftershock112r: heh Makoto seven: i have and love both Makoto seven: actually i love all things automotive aftershock112r: but yea man,i really wasnt trying to down you...was just trying to defend my standpoint Makoto seven: i'm starting to grow an affinity for bikes too aftershock112r: heh yea aftershock112r: heh...i liek bikes, just will not ride them Makoto seven: seriously man, 7psi... Makoto seven: aftershock112r: but seriously, i was just defending my view....like i said, prove me wrong Makoto seven: i want a buell that's when he started yapping about all these bikes i didn't give a crap about so i said i had to go. yeah, i do realize that some of the actual numbers might have been off but that guy was probably creamin his panties at the thought of his god (er, i mean the SR). just thought it might be funny to read. enjoy!