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S14Pilot · 07-08-2002, 04:22 PM

Is there any class (club racing or other) in the SCCA that allow for an S14 with a DET engine?

Anyone have any idea about this?

How about Auto-X?

HippoSleek · 07-08-2002, 04:36 PM

I don't think you are going to like the answer...

*edit*  Nothing to see... move along.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

In autox, it varies. Street Mod may take you, but mods there are limited to those possible on street cars. Since the SR can't legally be registered, you can't technically be street legal, so you can't be in SM. The next step would be one of the mod classes where you would get killed! But, unlike SCCA where the car needs a logbook, autox allows you to run unless someone protests you. I doubt anyone would protest you in SM until you are at the national level.

S14Pilot · 07-08-2002, 05:31 PM

You're right.  I don't like that answer.

Thanks though!

tnord · 07-08-2002, 06:05 PM

i don't think that SCCA allows turbo cars in W2W period.

Goodbar6 · 07-08-2002, 11:06 PM

Yea, i hate that! I also did some looking into it, and with an SR, you would be in the mod class witch has stuff like formula fords and star mazdas...you know, the open wheel crap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>. It gets even worse if ya want to road race....ur pretty much screwed out of that too!

I have decided to build the SR anyway, and run in the mod class in AutoX, and my local track has fun days where i can run anything all night long (Not wheel to wheel though).

Tyler

bbp · 07-09-2002, 06:47 AM

Early S13 (SOHC) = ITA
Later S13 (DOHC) = ITS
S14 = ITS
Turbo Anything = ITE,  which is a catch all class.  Porsche 944 turbos fall into this class as well as any other car from other race series that are not prepped to IT trim.  It has a pretty wide range of cars.  Some days you could place high easily other days you'll get your arse handed to you.  All depends on who shows up that weekend.

Not so sure about Autox classification.

HippoSleek · 07-09-2002, 07:21 AM

Hizzah - I finally found a site that breaks down the GCR for ITE!

bbp is right and I am wrong.  Having never seen the 240 come up ITE anywhere I thought that a motor swap was disallowed but that you could boost the KA.  Nope.  Very little restriction on engine.

http://www.calclub.com/reg_rules/ite.pdf

s13rookie · 07-09-2002, 09:51 PM

he said "det"  did he mean sr20det or ka24det?  just wondering as most assumed it was sr.  im interested as im in the process of turbo-ing my ka,  thanks

Goodbar6 · 07-10-2002, 09:02 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">bbp is right and I am wrong. Having never seen the 240 come up ITE anywhere I thought that a motor swap was disallowed but that you could boost the KA. Nope. Very little restriction on engine.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Hey, could you elaborate please? I cant get my adobe to work.

So does this mean that in ITE, you could potentially have an SR20DET? If so, is there still restrictions on turbo sizing?

** Ok, so my adobe works now...it looks like turbocharging the KA would be allowed, but the SR swap would not....here is my reasoning:
5. ENGINE
5.1. Reciprocating
5.1.1. Must remain in stock location.

So does that mean that it needs to be the engine the car came with though? It seems like we may be ble to get around this considering that the SR bolts up to "stock locations".

5.1.10. Cars under 3.0 liters are allowed any single (1) turbo/supercharging unit.

That right there looks like we could turbo the KA....but it gives no restrictions on turbo sizing.....

That could be fun.

Please someone fix me if im worng.
Tyler

Tyler

bbp · 07-10-2002, 10:29 AM

tyler you are correct. an SR swap would be ok.  

the most important thing now is safety equipment.  they will NOT let anyone race without the minimum safety equipment like:

belts
seat back brace (for non 1 piece race seats)
fire bottle
8 point cage constructed of suitable material
window net
kill switch
proper numbers sizes and placement with logos too
transponders (some regions required)
sunroof bolted down
steering lock disabled

there is probably some more but thats all that comes to mind right now.

Goodbar6 · 07-10-2002, 12:37 PM

You just made my day BHP!
Tyler

HippoSleek · 07-10-2002, 03:45 PM

Keep in mind that ITE is going to be $$$$ and pretty fast to run in.  I know it's all about having fun, but...

Heck, I was looking at ITA and cringing at how far you could go!

Goodbar6 · 07-10-2002, 06:09 PM

Hehe,

I wasnt planning on running it stock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>
Tyler

07-08-2002, 11:06 PM	#5
Goodbar6 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yea, i hate that! I also did some looking into it, and with an SR, you would be in the mod class witch has stuff like formula fords and star mazdas...you know, the open wheel crap <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>. It gets even worse if ya want to road race....ur pretty much screwed out of that too! I have decided to build the SR anyway, and run in the mod class in AutoX, and my local track has fun days where i can run anything all night long (Not wheel to wheel though). Tyler __________________ ___ 1990 Nissan Maxima (Daily Driver) 1989 Nissan 240SX (sold...kicking myself in the butt for it) Soon Another S13 for me to play with :-) --Tyler Loewens

07-09-2002, 06:47 AM	#6
bbp Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: oHIo Age: 53 Posts: 477 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Early S13 (SOHC) = ITA Later S13 (DOHC) = ITS S14 = ITS Turbo Anything = ITE,  which is a catch all class.  Porsche 944 turbos fall into this class as well as any other car from other race series that are not prepped to IT trim.  It has a pretty wide range of cars.  Some days you could place high easily other days you'll get your arse handed to you.  All depends on who shows up that weekend. Not so sure about Autox classification. __________________

07-09-2002, 09:51 PM	#8
s13rookie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: connecticut Age: 44 Posts: 1,129 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he said "det"  did he mean sr20det or ka24det?  just wondering as most assumed it was sr.  im interested as im in the process of turbo-ing my ka,  thanks __________________ Ive spent most of my money on cars and women...the rest i wasted

07-10-2002, 09:02 AM	#9
Goodbar6 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">bbp is right and I am wrong. Having never seen the 240 come up ITE anywhere I thought that a motor swap was disallowed but that you could boost the KA. Nope. Very little restriction on engine. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Hey, could you elaborate please? I cant get my adobe to work. So does this mean that in ITE, you could potentially have an SR20DET? If so, is there still restrictions on turbo sizing? ** Ok, so my adobe works now...it looks like turbocharging the KA would be allowed, but the SR swap would not....here is my reasoning: 5. ENGINE 5.1. Reciprocating 5.1.1. Must remain in stock location. So does that mean that it needs to be the engine the car came with though? It seems like we may be ble to get around this considering that the SR bolts up to "stock locations". 5.1.10. Cars under 3.0 liters are allowed any single (1) turbo/supercharging unit. That right there looks like we could turbo the KA....but it gives no restrictions on turbo sizing..... That could be fun. Please someone fix me if im worng. Tyler Tyler __________________ ___ 1990 Nissan Maxima (Daily Driver) 1989 Nissan 240SX (sold...kicking myself in the butt for it) Soon Another S13 for me to play with :-) --Tyler Loewens

07-10-2002, 10:29 AM	#10
bbp Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: oHIo Age: 53 Posts: 477 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	tyler you are correct. an SR swap would be ok.   the most important thing now is safety equipment.  they will NOT let anyone race without the minimum safety equipment like: belts seat back brace (for non 1 piece race seats) fire bottle 8 point cage constructed of suitable material window net kill switch proper numbers sizes and placement with logos too transponders (some regions required) sunroof bolted down steering lock disabled there is probably some more but thats all that comes to mind right now. __________________

07-08-2002, 04:22 PM	#1
S14Pilot Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 122 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Is there any class (club racing or other) in the SCCA that allow for an S14 with a DET engine? Anyone have any idea about this? How about Auto-X?

07-08-2002, 04:36 PM	#2
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't think you are going to like the answer... edit  Nothing to see... move along.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> In autox, it varies. Street Mod may take you, but mods there are limited to those possible on street cars. Since the SR can't legally be registered, you can't technically be street legal, so you can't be in SM. The next step would be one of the mod classes where you would get killed! But, unlike SCCA where the car needs a logbook, autox allows you to run unless someone protests you. I doubt anyone would protest you in SM until you are at the national level.

07-08-2002, 05:31 PM	#3
S14Pilot Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 122 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You're right.  I don't like that answer. Thanks though!

07-08-2002, 06:05 PM	#4
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i don't think that SCCA allows turbo cars in W2W period.

07-09-2002, 07:21 AM	#7
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hizzah - I finally found a site that breaks down the GCR for ITE! bbp is right and I am wrong.  Having never seen the 240 come up ITE anywhere I thought that a motor swap was disallowed but that you could boost the KA.  Nope.  Very little restriction on engine. http://www.calclub.com/reg_rules/ite.pdf

07-10-2002, 12:37 PM	#11
Goodbar6 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You just made my day BHP! Tyler __________________ ___ 1990 Nissan Maxima (Daily Driver) 1989 Nissan 240SX (sold...kicking myself in the butt for it) Soon Another S13 for me to play with :-) --Tyler Loewens

07-10-2002, 03:45 PM	#12
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Keep in mind that ITE is going to be $$$$ and pretty fast to run in.  I know it's all about having fun, but... Heck, I was looking at ITA and cringing at how far you could go!

07-10-2002, 06:09 PM	#13
Goodbar6 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hehe, I wasnt planning on running it stock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Tyler __________________ ___ 1990 Nissan Maxima (Daily Driver) 1989 Nissan 240SX (sold...kicking myself in the butt for it) Soon Another S13 for me to play with :-) --Tyler Loewens

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