Equal Length Intake Manifold

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luke91 @ Oct. 04 2002,12:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From Luke</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok... here we go again. &nbsp;You really should listen to what I have to say, because I do not speak of things that I don't know about.
But anyway...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jeff240sx. &nbsp;I'm flattered that I'm "your favorite newb". </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Cool. &nbsp;Congrats.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A strong crank. &nbsp;There, I told you... &nbsp;KA's have weak cranks. &nbsp;I know of a few people that have had cranks fail, and that's locally.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow. &nbsp;They did something wrong then. &nbsp;I already mentioned that some of the best Nissan tuners in America have rated the stock crank to 450hp, and that THE FASTEST 240sx in America was running 10.41 on the stock crank. &nbsp;And ask BoostedS14 if his 24psi broke his crank. &nbsp;
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Again, I have never, nor ever will build a 2.5L SR, so this is pointless. &nbsp;It was stupid of me to bring it up.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
At least you realize that.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"And I know exactly how meticulously maintained my off-lease car was before I got it." &nbsp;--you
So you think.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yea. &nbsp;That and I tore apart my engine during my turbo install, and the fact that Nissan mechanics have signed detailed maintence records. &nbsp;Synthetic all it's life.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"How did the drifters in Japan take car of your engine?" --you

I dissassembled almost the whole engine before I did the swap, and everything is in very, very good shape. &nbsp;The cam lobes have almost no wear, and all bearings seem good.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am extremely happy for you, because many aren't so lucky.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are an ASS!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah. &nbsp;Get to know me better.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"I also cannot stand misinformation. &nbsp;Which you seem to be full of" &nbsp;--you

OK, Mr. catch can.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am pretty sure that everyone else, including "beef", confirmed what it did. &nbsp;Catch oil. &nbsp;I didn't go into detail because I had no clue you were turbocharged. &nbsp;Otherwise, I would have been more specific. &nbsp;I also thought that you were a newb that talked alot. &nbsp;Now that I know you have an SR, I have more respect for you. &nbsp;Some is lost in this thread, and the "where do you live" comment... but still... you're boosted, and I respect all that.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are a cocky bastard who thinks he's better than anyone else. &nbsp;It's evident in your posts and replies. &nbsp;I'm your favorite newb? &nbsp;You think that because you have more posts than me on a messageboard, you're all-knowing and better than me? &nbsp;You're a fucking messageboard mechanic!!! &nbsp;Good luck with my life? &nbsp;Where do you live?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Is it possible that I think that I am all knowing because I only reply in topics of things that I REALLY know? &nbsp;I basically only reply to turbo KA and engine help threads. &nbsp;I have never posted in suspension, or SR threads... because I won't give misinformation. &nbsp;If I do... it is prefaced with "I think" or "Possibly". &nbsp;
Man. &nbsp;Just don't get bent out of shape on things, and stop flaming.
-Jeff

[luke91]

You're forgetting this:

I started out talking about streetability. &nbsp;

Are those 300+whp KA-T's you spoke of driven everyday? &nbsp;How many miles have been put on them since they've been turbo'd? &nbsp;Anyone can claim having a daily driver, so this doesn't matter, either. &nbsp;As for reliability, how long will those stay together?

Also, are they COMPLETELY stock? &nbsp;Headgasket and all?

You're not building your bottom end, and not replacing your clutch, and you plan to have an honest daily driver? &nbsp;
Good luck with your car.

"treet cars generally don't have 600hp like in the example you gave"

That's the point, razor. &nbsp;I was talking about street cars. &nbsp;

A re-built T28 can be made to accept a T3 wheel. &nbsp;This set-up can push 30psi. &nbsp;As far as efficiently, I'll tell you when I get it back. &nbsp;

You're still an ass. &nbsp;

--luke

[Jeff240sx]

Im not going to quote this one, because it is short. &nbsp;Anyway.
Yes. &nbsp;I am talking about streetability. &nbsp;3 years for T.Y. Yap. &nbsp;
Most people don't have trailor queen 240's. &nbsp;Even Boosted drives his car on the weekends.
Headgaskets are Stock. &nbsp;They don't make thicker headgaskets, or metal headgaskets for the KA. &nbsp;Stock all the way.
I'm not going to have a clutch swap for a while. &nbsp;At least until I get rid of my AUTOMATIC tranny. &nbsp;Or... I could go with a Level10 rebuild of the auto, and never have a clutch. &nbsp;Think outside the box.
And if you are talking about street cars... why did you give a 600hp example? &nbsp;A t25 can be run at 30psi too, but at what efficiency? &nbsp;Just post a link to a compressor map. &nbsp;I'll do the math for you.
Anyway. &nbsp;Both engines are great. &nbsp;I have not knocked the SR, and will not. &nbsp;But you need to lighten up.

[Kreator]

Uhh, luke, i'd stop arguing in yer place. You are getting yerself into a deeper and deeper shit, and jeff ain't the guy whom u'd want to argue sr vs ka bs.

Now i'm gonna say some things, which i know about srs and what i know bout kas. There is a guy around here (civickkilla) who's running an s14 blacktop. That thing alltogether cost him somewhere around 6 grand. He is pushing 16 psi (iirc) and is kinda scared to go further on all the other stock parts. He is running 280rwhp iirc. He isn't a noob, perfectly knows what the fuck he is doing and i really doubt that he overpayed anywhere in his setup. Therefore honestly i think u are bsing with yer 300whp $4300 setup.

The reason u rarely hear about ka daily drivers is cuz there are really few of them out there. But Jeff240sx and uuninja run them as daily drivers ok. But now let's go to the basics. You get your s13 sr for $2300 that puts u at what? 205hp? Now take a custom built turbo kit for KA. $2700 and u are hitting the 240hp mark. With all the money for upgrades for the sr that would take you to hit the 300 hp, you'd easily rebuild the ka and do the same thing. The point is, once u get the sr, u need to change lotsa shit before u can go on. On the kat u gotta change the pistons before you go on. All in all it will come out the same. But lets see on the bad side. Suppose you blow your sr? How much are u gonna be paying for parts to come here from japan? How long are you gonna be waiting? Think KA now. blew a piston, visit junkyard, $600 and 2 days later you are back on the road again.

I'd post some more shit, but jeff coverd most stuff that i was gonna say.

[luke91]

If people have had KA cranks with stand that much power, Reliably, then Maybe I'm wrong. &nbsp;Big deal. &nbsp;Remember my quote?:

"If I'm right, I believe the stock KA crank is far weaker than the SR's, and can only hold up to 350whp. I might be wrong."

"I didn't go into detail because I had no clue you were turbocharged"

There's a lot you don't know about me.

" I also thought that you were a newb that talked alot. Now that I know you have an SR, I have more respect for you"

I had a swapped 240 way before I knew this messageboard existed, so being a newb has nothing to do with that. &nbsp;Hopefully, you and people like you will learn that. &nbsp;

"Just don't get bent out of shape on things, and stop flaming."

This whole SR vs KA thing started out as a peaceful conversation, motivated by a respectable disagreement of engine prefferences. &nbsp;I tried to keep it like that until you and Kreator felt the need to disrespect me.


RESPECTABLY, NOW:

3 years for T.Y's KA-T is really impressive, and I have new respect, now. &nbsp;

I never knew no one made metal headgaskets for KA's. &nbsp;

Still, how often has he replaced these parts?

As far your car. &nbsp;I'd keep the Auto trans. &nbsp;I know it's not the "cool" thing to have an auto trans., but I'm also sure you don't care about that. &nbsp;I believe the auto will be more consistend, and faster. &nbsp;No turbo lag. &nbsp;I just don't know if the gearing you're gonna want is available, or if they can be made strong enough. &nbsp;Good luck, seriously. &nbsp;

as far as compressor maps on my T25/T28, I think this will be the first of it's kind. &nbsp;I haven't found anyone that has any compressor maps. &nbsp;

As far as the 600hp street car...
A lot of people think they can have fully built, 600hp engine and drive it on the street. &nbsp;A lot of people think that a fully built engine will make a really, really fast street car. &nbsp;It won't happen.
I used this example when someone said that the KA will always be able to produce more power because of bigger displacement. &nbsp;I didn't want people to start comparing ultimate horsepower between the two engines, because that has nothing to do with street cars. &nbsp;That's all. &nbsp;It makes sense to me. &nbsp;

--luke

As for Kreator:

"He is pushing 16 psi (iirc) and is kinda scared to go further on all the other stock parts"

If he has a blacktop, I don't blame him. &nbsp;Both S13's and S14's have 370cc injectors. &nbsp;S14's have a bigger turbo, though, which may (but probably won't) outflow it's injectors. &nbsp;He should be worries about running lean, not damaging stock parts because of power being produced. &nbsp;
On an S13, you can unplug the wastegate altogether, and not lean out.

[luke91]

Kreator, here's your list:

S13 blacktop SR20DET: &nbsp; &nbsp; $2300
Front mount IC w/ piping: &nbsp;$250
3" Downpipe & exhaust: &nbsp; $250
448cc injectors: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $300
Fuel pump: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Boost Controller: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
Clutch: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $400
Apex SAFC: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $200
BOV: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
T25/T28: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Total: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $4300

&nbsp;Pretty neat, huh?

--luke

[Jeff240sx]

No. &nbsp;I don't think that I am gonna keep the auto. &nbsp;During the 2nd gear shift, it drops out of boost, for about 500 rpms. &nbsp;I hate that feeling every time. &nbsp;It is like a rocket, then a car, then a rocket... &nbsp;And overdrive is entirely too large... &nbsp;Then I don't want to select 3 gears and overdrive for my tranny... I'd rather have 5 gears in a manual. &nbsp;And just like everyone else... I dream of a modded SR 6-speed.
Yes... auto's are more consistent for drags, and cheaper due to no clutch maintenance, and grinding gears in a mis-shift. &nbsp;But anyway... why wouldn't autos have turbo lag? &nbsp;Brake-boosting? &nbsp;I can't do that. &nbsp;My tires start spinning at 2300rpm. &nbsp;Z-rated sticky tires, and brand new rear pads on fresh rotors... still spin at 2300. &nbsp;I dont hit boost till 3000, and full boost at 3700.
And it really does make sense not to talk about power potential. &nbsp;That is why I don't like KA vs. SR debates. &nbsp;Fastest KA in the world is privatly owned and running 10.41 last I knew. &nbsp;It had some modifications since then, but still... 550hp and a 150shot of n2o. &nbsp;Jun had a 9second silvia. &nbsp;But nobody here will ever duplicate either of those feats... so why debate them?
-Jeff

[luke91]

Kreator, here's your list:

S13 blacktop SR20DET: &nbsp; &nbsp; $2300
Front mount IC w/ piping: &nbsp;$250
3" Downpipe & exhaust: &nbsp; $250
448cc injectors: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $300
Fuel pump: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Boost Controller: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
Clutch: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $400
Apex SAFC: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $200
BOV: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
T25/T28: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Total: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $4300

&nbsp;Pretty neat, huh?

--luke

[luke91]

Kreator, here's your list:

S13 blacktop SR20DET: &nbsp; &nbsp; $2300
Front mount IC w/ piping: &nbsp;$250
3" Downpipe & exhaust: &nbsp; $250
448cc injectors: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $300
Fuel pump: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Boost Controller: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
Clutch: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $400
Apex SAFC: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $200
BOV: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$100
T25/T28: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;$200
Total: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $4300

&nbsp;Pretty neat, huh?

--luke

[luke91]

I'm not sure that list keeps getting posted like that. &nbsp;Sorry, everyone

--luke

[luke91]

Anyway, I know someone is going to ask, so here it is:

When I bought my engine, I also bought two others and sold them. &nbsp;The deal was three engines for $6500. &nbsp;I got two red tops, and one blacktop, all S13's. &nbsp;I kept the black top. &nbsp;

The intercooler is a cut-down Ford Powerstroke Turbo Diesel unit. &nbsp;I welded the end tanks, spickets, and intercooler piping. &nbsp;

I made the downpipe and exhaust from straight 3" tubing and 2 3" mandrel bends. &nbsp;There is one 10 degree crush-bent bend near the muffler, which is an Apex N1. &nbsp;

The boost controller and clutch and fuel pump were bought new. &nbsp;

I bought the 448cc injectors online. &nbsp;I was told I paid too much for them. &nbsp;

The Apex SAFC And the blow-off valve I bought off a friend of mine.

The T25/T28 I bought online, too. &nbsp;I got a deal on that one. &nbsp;It's almost total crap. &nbsp;The oil seals are really bad. &nbsp;That's the one being re-built.

--luke

[flipboi13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Oct. 03 2002,6:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope this doesn't come across as defensive or anything...but I'd like to point out some flaws in your argument.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This would be true if all things were the same, but they aren't.
The SR can put out over 400whp on stock internals.
The KA can't, and you'd have to spent far more money to make it do that. And once you have, you don't have as streetable an engine as an SR producing the same numbers.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How do you figure?
I wouldn't run a SR at 400hp w/o rebuilding and expect it to last. You don't know what that engine was put through in Japan. When you do rebuild, you're rebuilding a $2K engine instead of a $400 one...assuming you have to buy a KA. You'll have to buy new stuff like bigger turbo, fuel pump, injectors, engine management, etc., etc. to get the SR up there anyway. In the end you'll end up spending as much or more for the SR. And what if something breaks?...you may be garaged for two months while waiting on something from Japan to be sent to you. And more streetable? How so? The KA should have more low-end street-use torque available being the less peaky engine of the two.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Building an SR is also less expensive, considering the number of already-made parts available for it, whereas with the KA, many of the same parts need to be custom made. Custom parts are expensive.
Example: where do you find a stroker crank for a KA?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
See above. Most parts needed are mass produced for the KA, are generic, or can be made fairly cheap...manifolds, turbos, and downpipe respectively for example. Custom stuff is for people who are picky and like to make more power from the little things...like custom manifolds and headwork.
And you don't stroke KA's. They're strokers to begin with.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, the two engines are different internally.
The Sr was designed for forced induction. The cylinder sleeves, water passages, and other smaller details are different in the two engines. Then you have the infamous "piston-cooling oil squirters" in the SR20 that don't exist in the KA. I realize these differences are small, and not entirely necessary, but they help make the Sr more streetable. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wrong again...the KA does have oil squirters. Not sure about the differences in the sleeves and water passages, but I doubt they're so big as to disqualify the KA from being streetable.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
I'm not trying to discourage anyone that wants to build a KA-T, I'm just saying the SR is a more practical route. A fully built KA may produce more power that a fully built SR, but it really doesn't matter. A 400hp SR-powered 240sx street car will probably beat a 600hp KA-powered 240sx street car, anyway, due to traction, so it really doesn't matter. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's what a good driver and slicks are for. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I swapped in the SR because I wanted a reliably fast street car that didn't break everyday. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's about as ignorant as saying all domestics have horrible reliability.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bah, are you picking my mind Lance? Pretty much everything I wanted to respond to as well &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp; After that, the comments pretty much go down hill so i have no reply &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

I think the KA is better than the SR because it has iron cast underwear. &nbsp;Nobody can smash those balls with that there &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[luke91]

No body cares, flipboi. &nbsp;It's over. &nbsp;No sense in quoting the whole thing. &nbsp;

--luke

Anyway, what about my equal length, plunem-less, tubular manifold? &nbsp;If individule throttle bodies and carburators exist without plenums, why can't my manifold. &nbsp;

I agree that plenum size matters on a NA car, but for a turbo car, My manifold should be better. &nbsp;Don't you all agree?

Right now, somebody is making plans to get rich off this design. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

--luke

[Red]

Yes Luke that would be me... Hitting the patent office in the morn. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[allmotorKA]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luke91 @ Oct. 04 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...Anyway, what about my equal length, plunem-less, tubular manifold? If individule throttle bodies and carburators exist without plenums, why can't my manifold.

I agree that plenum size matters on a NA car, but for a turbo car, My manifold should be better. Don't you all agree?...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ITB's do not need plenums because there is a throttle plate for each intake runner. &nbsp;The reason a plenum is used in single throttle applications is because it is very difficult to get the air to flow evenly to each intake runner without the plenum...even when you have equal length intake runners. Imagine the flow of air through the throttle body...it is not uniform (especially next to the throttle plate and shaft) so you need the plenum to stabilize or buffer the air flow so that each intake runner inhales the same amount of air.

[Kreator]

Dude, i was keeping the discussion friendly untill u posted the oil squirters and crank thing. I realize that you might have differnt views, but when u start bashing an eninge without completely knowing wtf u are talking about, people get pissed.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 04 2002,10:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dude, i was keeping the discussion friendly untill u posted the oil squirters and crank thing. I realize that you might have differnt views, but when u start bashing an eninge without completely knowing wtf u are talking about, people get pissed.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OMFG! &nbsp;STOP!

Haven't we learned yet that KA/SR posts are so completely pointless?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??? &nbsp;AUGH!!!!

This whole thing started with intake manifold talk...how did we get sooooo off topic.

Eric

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Oct. 04 2002,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 04 2002,10:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dude, i was keeping the discussion friendly untill u posted the oil squirters and crank thing. I realize that you might have differnt views, but when u start bashing an eninge without completely knowing wtf u are talking about, people get pissed.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
OMFG! STOP!

Haven't we learned yet that KA/SR posts are so completely pointless?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??? AUGH!!!!

This whole thing started with intake manifold talk...how did we get sooooo off topic.

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Read the 14th reply on the first page...

[Loren]

CA is cheaper to get to 300-500hp than SR or KA. CA is Solid Lift, SR and KA are hydraulic, CA revs the highest from the factory... in fact with new slugs and balanced rods and crank you can spin it to 9k, I've never heard of SR or KA being revved that high. CAs are cheaper than SRs, and I believe if you buy a brand new kit for a KA its cheaper than that as well. Oh yeah, CA is 200cc less.. but if I remember correctly you guys are all about small displacement... or why not swap in a v8.

[AceInHole]

lol... too much arguing about engines... in that case, just get an FJ20(D)ET with an FJ24 crank. &nbsp;problem solved. &nbsp;revs higher than the CA, displacement and strength of the KA (iron block), &nbsp;and race proven-ness of the SR.