Titan V8 in a 240

[daryl337]

screw it all and get a merlin drag motor! :P 1700 HP big block. XD

[nuclear280Z]

I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by nuclear280Z

I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!

They are talking about V8 swaps in 240sx's i.e. S13 and S14 not V8 swaps in 240,260 and 280Z's. Fact is the the V8 swap into the S30 Z chassis is a very simple swap.

The LS1 is a bad ass engine if you can do a smog legal swap of one into the S chassis without super crazy mods i.e. crossmember modification, firewall modification and you can keep your costs in the 5k range for engine and install its well worth it . If its going to cost you over 10k,(without chassis costs) at this time it becomes a cost ineffective swap in my opinion.

What most of those whole discussion has avoided or missed in part is the cost effectiveness.
At what point do you look at the swap add up the costs and pretty much say i am losing my ass on this. Ya , I know all you purists are going to come out of the woodwork saying cost is not an issue! Its originality or dopeness, blah blah blah. Fact is there is a point of diminishing returns. I look at the swap of anything into our cars from the factor of how much it would cost to do the actual swap. I.E. purchase of engine and or install kit and or fab or install itself.
Now, if you can do a LS1 install smog legal and the costs of what I stated above in the 5-6k range and not have to make mad ass chassis mods to make it work, you have the ideal swap.
If you do not have to worry about smog you should not even be having to think about a LS1 swap. Stick a S14-s15SR in or a RB in and call it day.
LS1 swaps and VQ swaps are for people who are concerned about smog legality and having legal HP, in my opinion.
To the question of a LS1 being smog legal in a S chassis it can be as long as you swap in all OBDII stuff that comes with the engine and ref it. The car will then be a OBDII legal test.

[nuclear280Z]

ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by nuclear280Z

ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?

Well if its a LS1 it should not effect handling much if at all. The LS1 is a light engine. The majority of the added weight would be in the transmission and considering the fact that its sitting close to midship, should not have consequences.

[nuclear280Z]

No I mean the Titan in the SX

[yaba94070]

that things friken huge...
lol
my dad has a titan and its bad ass, sounds really clean 2, that would be a sick ass swap in a 240

[gsracer]

The VH45DE in this car has 227,000 miles, just thought that was impressive in of itself, lol


[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg[/IMG

[slos14]

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

[Iceman00]

The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by codyace

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I was about to call you a bullshit Lair when I saw this post, and Realized it was you Ace.

Sorry buddy, but you are wrong on this one. The KA SR and VQ blocks are all around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more. Combine that with the Weight of the transmission (If its stock, at 50lbs for the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

The Z33 6speed, And KA24DE 5speed is around 100lbs, making the total VQ package Still under 450lbs that the LS series block itself weighs.

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

[SexPanda]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

I was about to call you a bullshit Lair when I saw this post, and Realized it was you Ace.

Sorry buddy, but you are wrong on this one. The KA SR and VQ blocks are all around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more. Combine that with the Weight of the transmission (If its stock, at 50lbs for the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

The Z33 6speed, And KA24DE 5speed is around 100lbs, making the total VQ package Still under 450lbs that the LS series block itself weighs.

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...
The LS engines, and v8s in general, dont need to rev high, because their torque and hp is located much lower on its powerband than a ka sr or vq. Revving high on an engine like that just means it would be slower. Besides, high revving is for hondas.

[ch1873857]

the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high. then you have problems with valve float. h22 springs will work and reduced valve float. the vh is EXTREMELY reinforced. its the reason the use it in freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.

[Iceman00]

Just incase anyone wants to look dumb, I'll save you the trouble.

http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by SexPanda

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...
The LS engines, and v8s in general, dont need to rev high, because their torque and hp is located much lower on its powerband than a ka sr or vq. Revving high on an engine like that just means it would be slower. Besides, high revving is for hondas.

Yes, only Honda's Redline over 7000rpm. You are an idiot, and have added nothing meaningful to this thread. And yes, I'm very aware that you negitively rep me, proving your ignorance.

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by slos14

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

sure the car was built around the fucking engine like ive been saying.

they eventually had teams of engineers working on the design flaws.

The kit cars are just scale replicas of the same engineering defaults.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by ch1873857

what the hell? i never called anyone any names? stop kissing ass spiderman, give me more rep..who cares?

So wait, where are your facts again? Don't get mad because you don't know how to have a meaningful discussion without getting sand in your vagina.

[BigVinnie]

Originally Posted by Unholy S14

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

I'm going to clarify a little bit. The VK hasn't been done in the s13 chassis, and I know people are doing projects for it in the s14 chassis.
Here is a VK swap in a S14 chassis.
http://ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm<<<Knives already posted on page 1.
You probably saw an older q45 engine VH41 or VH45 engine in a s13. The VH 45 engines barely fit into an s13. A 5.6litre VK engine has 98mm bore and a 92mm stroke. The old VH engines which barely fit into the s13 chassis had a 92mm bore and a 88mm stroke. That means that deck height on the the VK engine is also raised for it's larger stroke. This means that the hood clearance won't work well with the little s13 chassis. Now I've also been told that a VK is also taller than an LS1 and an LS1 has very similar stroke to the VK, LS-1 BORE and STROKE; 99mm bore and 92mm stroke.
The Formula Drift drop top 350 (Chris Foresburg) also uses the VK56 swap and it's pretty bad ass against ford mustangs and chevy corvette, I wouldn't mind seeing a 1/4mile time.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...formula_d.html

[mmdb]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by mmdb

Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

[mmdb]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

JDM for life? You noob.

[SexPanda]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

I gotta ask you. Whos the fan-boy here. I didnt really know the LS engines had fanboys who could over-rate it. I just thought people liked them because of the ease of upgrading and reasonable price. And i dont see how the extra weight, which I think is minimal, and mostly due to the transmission which is towards the middle of the car, can be that much of a problem if there are LS1 powered 240s that can do this:

And for anyone who got offended by my "high revving is for hondas" thing... I cant appologize. So sorry for not appologizing.

[ch1873857]

thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.

[codyace]

Originally Posted by slos14

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

Shelby, Lister, Earl, Iacocca...all put big brawny v8's in little cars and created the roots of todays hot rods.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.

You can get a LS1+T56 used for as much as you can get an sr20 swap from some higher end shops.

http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php


So maybe I was wrong about the LSx being lighter...but christ you have a 5.7 litre V8 weighing what, 30 lbs more than a 2.4 or 2.0 four cylinder? Please. Torque at idle> 30 lbs.

PS: Call up GM and ask what their crate lS1 comes with...yep everything, to include altenator, PS, and etc hanging off of it. 390 for a full dresser all aluminum v8. I would assume it weighs 460ish with a 4l60e and 500 with T56.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more.

An sr20/vq probably weigh that as a long block alone, with nothing in it. 450 lbs is what an LSx would weigh with an automatic hanging off the back of it.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

An all Iron Small Block Chevy or Ford weigh in a 450 lbs. Big blocks over 550...

Originally Posted by Iceman00

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Three questions:
1. Ever been in one stock?
2. Ever been in one with a cam swap (and bolt ons?)
3. You realize that with rod bolts they can spin to 8000 rpm all day long.


Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine. A car enthusiast would take a v8 with a powerband anyday over strung out 2.0 turbo engine.

Originally Posted by SexPanda

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...

A 400whp LSx s13 or s14 would ass rape most 500 hp ones...

Originally Posted by ch1873857

the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high.

It's not that high anymore...

Originally Posted by ch1873857

freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.

I thought that was the VK45 that they used as a 'base' for the indy leauge engines....and lets be serious, ther eisn't a damn thing on that IRL engine that we'll ever have on a junkyard 4.5

Originally Posted by mmdb

Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

Those who've not ever been in beastly v8's will always hate on them...I learned a long long long time ago to appreciated overall package cars, and not be loyal to ignornace.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

It's not 200 lbs more. Ya know what, I have a VQ30 in a maxima with an automatic at the shop...maybe I'll weigh it, and then weigh my buddies ls2 and see what the differenece really is.

Originally Posted by Iceman00

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

I'd love some front end weight to keep my car from pushing on track...

PS: 200 lbs where?

I have no clue who you are, but seriously bud, you need to do a tad more research into the LSx engine before making claims without any support.

Again, not to toot my own horn, but Im' confident my s14 is one of the most complete cars on this forum in terms of all over performance...and I'd gladly take a LS1 anyday of the week over what I have. I'd not know what to do with 40 more hp and 70 more ft lbs all over!

Originally Posted by ch1873857

thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.

It's like when kids delete AC or PS from a turbo car...really who cares? lol. That turbo won't notice any difference at all.

[ch1873857]

Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine

finally, someone says it..ive already gotten enough neg rep for one thread so i kept my mouth shut haha..nice one ace.

and ace, the vk45 and the vh just had different heads, vk being better but the vhr35? cant remember the name was based off the platform that the vk and the vh shared. shit its hard to explain, time for more research..got me thinking.

this thread makes me want to hunt down a cheap neglected ls1 and have fun with it. ive got a healthy coupe shell sitting around...

haha looks similar enough for me...


should shed some light also..although there were vk's in q's also but like i said..

Originally Posted by WIKIPEDIA

The VRH35Z is a 3.5 liter racing variant of the VH V8 engine. The R comes from the fact that the block is made from magnesium and is custom made for racing. The VRH35Z was originally used in Nissan Group C race cars. Later on, the engine was revived with modifications as the VRH35L, now with an aluminum block, for the R390GT1 GT1 supercar.

The VRH35Z produces 800 ps @7600 rpm and weighs 408 lbs (185 Kg).

The VRH35L produces 650 ps @6800 rpm and weighs 375 lbs 170 Kg.

so basically is a destroked magnesium VH45 engine..

[usdm180sx]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Yes, only Honda's Redline over 7000rpm. You are an idiot, and have added nothing meaningful to this thread. And yes, I'm very aware that you negitively rep me, proving your ignorance.

S13 sr20det's redline at 7500 so NO not only hondas redline that high.

[gigimow]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

How much do you think a VQ swap would cost? They are not cheap, just look at vqswap.com and you would realize that the basic setup is over $3000 not counting the engine. I don't know where you got your info from but sounds to me you need to research more and talk less.

[johngriff]

This thread makes me question where all the hate on the internet comes from.

I think it sounds cool as hell. I'd do it. I'd build it.

[Iceman00]

Originally Posted by Iceman00

Just incase anyone wants to look dumb, I'll save you the trouble.

http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930

Ace I'm Iceman00 from Nissan Forums.

I usually agree with you, but this time your wrong. Above are the said wieghts for those motors.

Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

And how much do you think it will run you for a VQ swap compared to an lSx Swap?

VQ motors starting on ebay at $255. Yes, $255.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...QQcmdZViewItem

Transmision: $300 yes, $300
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04...QQcmdZViewItem

And the hardware for the swap $900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VQ35D...QQcmdZViewItem

LS1 and trans: Over $2500

And LSx Hardware: Over $1700
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/parts...gEquipment.htm

VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.

[Iceman00]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=105615&page=5

These guys were paying over 4500 for the motor and trans alone, and another 7K in install and parts. This swap is a pipe dream.