60 trim T3 Turbo Experiences - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Maeda · 02-26-2003, 10:30 PM

As you can tell im playing around with different turbo setup ideas...

anyone have a 60 trim (.48a/r?) T3 hooked up to their KA? what kind of numbers are you running(psi, rwHP, etc.)?

oh and a public thanks to jeff for answering my nagging turbo questions as well ^_^

DarkRaptor42 · 02-27-2003, 10:58 AM

thats what I have if my manifold ever gets out of the shop

litlespic · 02-27-2003, 12:07 PM

If you are looking to go further than just slapping on a turbo go with the 60, the 48 will become a bottle neck after more mod's are done, the spool up time difference's are minimal.. 500rpm at most.. .63/60 t3 can support 25psi when it starts making too much heat and not enough boost.. it will support 300 - 350hp and an 11 second run with a 2.3..

If you have the money get a t04e .50/ t3 stage III .60, thats about the best turbo I have seen for our two engines.. it has a huge sweet spot and almost impossible to get surge with it..

*Jeff240sx* · 02-27-2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
63/60 t3 can support 25psi when it starts making too much heat and not enough boost.. it will support 300 - 350hp and an 11 second run with a 2.3..

Where did you get your numbers on the t3 from? How do you know it will hit 25psi? Is that on your engine, or a DOHC ka? Is your Merkur 2.3 a dohc? If so, is it efficient?
See.. I think that those numbers are pretty made up, since if a t3 *could* make 25psi on our car, I think it would be the standard turbo, and nobody would even think about a t3/4 or a t4.
Also... why is 25psi 300-350hp? I'd hope it's 400hp at least.. at the wheels. But of course, you'd have 15psi of boost and 10psi of inefficient air charge heating, so you may be right on the 300hp mark.
-Jeff

DarkRaptor42 · 02-27-2003, 03:09 PM

Correct me if Im wrong Jeff,but I choose my T3 because Im going to be primarilly auto Xing my car and I wanted 0 lag and a continuous charge. From what Ive seen and read, my T3 should be perfect for me, and my fairly low HP out look. Isnt choosing your turbo also choosing what you want your car to do? I always figured it like this. I got my turbo cheap, kinda like the post starter is looking to do. I figure I can dump more cash on a diffrent turbo later on if I decide this isnt enough.

*Jeff240sx* · 02-27-2003, 03:11 PM

No. That's exactly what a t3 is for. Quick boost and response.
I mainly commented about the 350rwhp claim from a t3 at 25psi. A t3 has never been that high AFAIK on a ka24de.
-Jeff

DarkRaptor42 · 02-27-2003, 04:03 PM

I dont doubt that it could get to 25 PSI, but it wouldnt be very effective at all after about 15. From what I understand though you can ge them to 300hp though, but thats still pushing it. I plan to push it

*AceInHole* · 02-27-2003, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
If you have the money get a t04e .50/ t3 stage III .60, thats about the best turbo I have seen for our two engines.. it has a huge sweet spot and almost impossible to get surge with it..

heh... i'm surprised Jeff didn't say anything about that....

*Jeff240sx* · 02-27-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AceInHole
heh... i'm surprised Jeff didn't say anything about that....

I got spike. Surge is almost the opposite of that.
-Jeff

litlespic · 02-27-2003, 05:12 PM

Anything over 15psi is bad for a t3??? damn, I should go tell every turboford guy that ever mod'd his car with out upgrading his turbo that he has been doin everything wrong...

The t3 is doesnt drop in effiecency until 22psi, and then it really drops at about 26psi.. I didnt say it made 350hp at 25psi.. I just said it could make 350hp and it could boost to 25psi with out any significant problems..

My 2.3 is from 1974, sohc, the head and turbo is from the late 70's, early 80's.. not much technologie involved.. just boost and fuel.. and go..

Anyone that likes I can email you video's or maybe I can go back and find a link of a full body notch back mustang, with a 2.3 turbo, 35lb injectors, and a t3 making a 11 second run.. at 24psi.. and if you doubt those numbers I will ask the guy to email me with the mod's he had at the run time and he will say the same thing I just said.. after that he put the 2.3 in a 1st gen rx7 and and hasnt made it to track..

*AceInHole* · 02-27-2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
Anything over 15psi is bad for a t3??? damn, I should go tell every turboford guy that ever mod'd his car with out upgrading his turbo that he has been doin everything wrong...

The t3 is doesnt drop in effiecency until 22psi, and then it really drops at about 26psi.. I didnt say it made 350hp at 25psi.. I just said it could make 350hp and it could boost to 25psi with out any significant problems..

My 2.3 is from 1974, sohc, the head and turbo is from the late 70's, early 80's.. not much technologie involved.. just boost and fuel.. and go..

Anyone that likes I can email you video's or maybe I can go back and find a link of a full body notch back mustang, with a 2.3 turbo, 35lb injectors, and a t3 making a 11 second run.. at 24psi.. and if you doubt those numbers I will ask the guy to email me with the mod's he had at the run time and he will say the same thing I just said.. after that he put the 2.3 in a 1st gen rx7 and and hasnt made it to track..

Are you comparing cars with significantly different compression ratios, max head flow rates, valvetrains, and displacements again??

litlespic · 02-27-2003, 05:27 PM

Well yes I am, its the same turbo.. and its the same basic displacement.. how would it greatly differ? he asked for the turbo numbers.. not a engine number.. and I gave him the turbo numbers and you'll said that wasnt possible once again...

*AceInHole* · 02-27-2003, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
Well yes I am, its the same turbo.. and its the same basic displacement.. how would it greatly differ? he asked for the turbo numbers.. not a engine number.. and I gave him the turbo numbers and you'll said that wasnt possible once again...

what's the compression ratio on your car.

how much exhaust flow is going through the turbo at 25psi.

what's your cam duration, intake and exhaust.

ALL THOSE THINGS WILL DIFFER AND AFFECT THE TURBO.

Your car probably does a good 34 #/min of exhaust flow at 25psi... which is like 60 - 65% efficiency on a T3 super 60? THE T3 60trim EFFICIENCY MAP ENDS AT 34#/min.

To give you an idea of the difference: The KA24DE does like 45 #/min at 25psi.

I mean.... I've spelt it out for you how many times....

Kreator · 02-27-2003, 07:49 PM

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...threadid=19582

littlespic: read the thread above. In short, there are things like CFM and compressor maps, which you match together. the compressor maps are fixed for a given turbo, but CFM differs with engine. So you'll never have same results for 2 different engines.

Maeda · 02-27-2003, 10:09 PM

I hate to quote myself but i was looking for T3's on KA's
I dont think a Mekur is driven by a KA24DE is it? (correct me if im wrong here)

Still looking for some experiences... ^_^

Kreator · 02-27-2003, 11:05 PM

Check the link i gave and read up. There is some good stuff there on what turbo's are optmal. theoretically (from the data in that link) t3 60 is the ultimate t3 trim for a ka. Quick spool up, and the turbo flows well within the requirements of the engine even at low psi. I'm going to be using a t3 50 (i was going for t3 60 but they didn't come on any cars stock, so i couldn't get a cheap one) and that turbo is as good as t3 60 from 7.5 to 10psi.

xLSTONEx · 02-27-2003, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Anyone that likes I can email you video's or maybe I can go back and find a link of a full body notch back mustang, with a 2.3 turbo, 35lb injectors, and a t3 making a 11 second run.. at 24psi.. and if you doubt those numbers I will ask the guy to email me with the mod's he had at the run time and he will say the same thing I just said.. after that he put the 2.3 in a 1st gen rx7 and and hasnt made it to track..

I thought the 4 cly. Mustangs where 2.2 Liters, please correct me if I am wrong.

litlespic · 02-28-2003, 09:56 AM

sorry.. Ill just sit back and learn more about 240's before I go posting anymore.. didnt know there would be so much difference in .1 litre, but I get the point.. sorry agian, and 4 cylinder mustangs are 2.3's unless they put the 2.5 crank, and then they can bore it out to a 2.6 and one guy had a custom titanium crank, rods, pistons made for a 2.85.. runing 13.1 comp on 26psi .. but thats a 2.3 .. sorry

*AceInHole* · 02-28-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
one guy had a custom titanium crank, rods, pistons made for a 2.85.. runing 13.1 comp on 26psi .. but thats a 2.3 .. sorry

on a diesel engine or straight race fuel??

*Jeff240sx* · 02-28-2003, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AceInHole
on a diesel engine or straight race fuel??

Imaginary fuel??

-Jeff

litlespic · 02-28-2003, 01:29 PM

Its his daily driver.. the compression ratio is 13.1, BUT, he has a lumpy overlaping cam which he says lowers it... he said after all is said and done he is probably between 10.5-11.. and the 26psi is on a xylon mix, 30% which gives a 100octane if you use 92 octane pump gas... another way turbo fords stay cheap.. lol.. he is running 72, 73 lb injectors.. and has dumped over 50 grand in the car.. he just got done cracking a head.. so he isnt driving it.. but when the n/a head gets on its his daily driver.. he has a v8 t-5 with a .68 5th gear which lets him go about a buck 70 or so.. and a rs500 front bumper which lets him keep the down force at anything over 150.. and the rs500 "whale" tail which keeps the rear end down also.. he is working on a dohc volvo head conversion... we are just hoping and waiting...

Maeda · 02-28-2003, 01:39 PM

So nobodies running a 60 trim T3 eh?

Whattu think about the 50 trim then since its more common and easier to source in the junk? ^_^

*AceInHole* · 02-28-2003, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by litlespic
Its his daily driver.. the compression ratio is 13.1, BUT, he has a lumpy overlaping cam which he says lowers it... he said after all is said and done he is probably between 10.5-11.. and the 26psi is on a xylon mix, 30% which gives a 100octane if you use 92 octane pump gas... another way turbo fords stay cheap.. lol.. he is running 72, 73 lb injectors.. and has dumped over 50 grand in the car.. he just got done cracking a head.. so he isnt driving it.. but when the n/a head gets on its his daily driver.. he has a v8 t-5 with a .68 5th gear which lets him go about a buck 70 or so.. and a rs500 front bumper which lets him keep the down force at anything over 150.. and the rs500 "whale" tail which keeps the rear end down also.. he is working on a dohc volvo head conversion... we are just hoping and waiting...

*yawn*
I wish I could waste money on an imaginary engine too.

some guy · 02-28-2003, 03:18 PM

How much psi can the Z31 T3 efficiently produce? How much hp could it make on a S13 KA24E-T (estimates)? Thanks.

litlespic · 02-28-2003, 04:22 PM

I so wish I had that much money to dump into the engine too.. and like you said, I said he was dreaming when he joined the board and told us what he did.. but 3 of his best freinds have been on the board for years and can talk for him.. so we dont doubt much of what he says anymore...

Kreator · 02-28-2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maeda
So nobodies running a 60 trim T3 eh?

Whattu think about the 50 trim then since its more common and easier to source in the junk? ^_^

Not that much easier to come by, but it's from a volvo 740 (ace is using the turbo from the same car except diff company... i think they are about same size). Don't have any first hand experiences, will have some closer to summer time.... but i'm expecting really quick spool up and nice response at the expense of high eng power (my compressor outlet is like 1.5" in diameter

).... umm so yeah.... i dunnow if there were any other t3 50s made on any other cars.

Maeda · 02-28-2003, 06:45 PM

hmm... ace what kind of numbers are you running? HP at what psi?

Kreator · 02-28-2003, 06:49 PM

he isn't running anything right now

but he was running 7 psi and was pretty satisfied from what i could tell.

Maeda · 02-28-2003, 07:01 PM

he blew it!?

Kreator · 02-28-2003, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maeda
he blew it!?

ya. The oil paths got clogged with pieces of the other turbo he messed up.

02-26-2003, 10:30 PM	#1
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	60 trim T3 Turbo Experiences As you can tell im playing around with different turbo setup ideas... anyone have a 60 trim (.48a/r?) T3 hooked up to their KA? what kind of numbers are you running(psi, rwHP, etc.)? oh and a public thanks to jeff for answering my nagging turbo questions as well ^_^ __________________

02-27-2003, 10:58 AM	#2
DarkRaptor42 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi CA Age: 41 Posts: 542 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats what I have if my manifold ever gets out of the shop __________________ 04 WRX STi 90 Sil- Camino R.I.P. AE86 20v MS R.I.P. KA-T www.209forums.com

02-27-2003, 12:07 PM	#3
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you are looking to go further than just slapping on a turbo go with the 60, the 48 will become a bottle neck after more mod's are done, the spool up time difference's are minimal.. 500rpm at most.. .63/60 t3 can support 25psi when it starts making too much heat and not enough boost.. it will support 300 - 350hp and an 11 second run with a 2.3.. If you have the money get a t04e .50/ t3 stage III .60, thats about the best turbo I have seen for our two engines.. it has a huge sweet spot and almost impossible to get surge with it.. __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-27-2003, 03:09 PM	#5
DarkRaptor42 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi CA Age: 41 Posts: 542 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Correct me if Im wrong Jeff,but I choose my T3 because Im going to be primarilly auto Xing my car and I wanted 0 lag and a continuous charge. From what Ive seen and read, my T3 should be perfect for me, and my fairly low HP out look. Isnt choosing your turbo also choosing what you want your car to do? I always figured it like this. I got my turbo cheap, kinda like the post starter is looking to do. I figure I can dump more cash on a diffrent turbo later on if I decide this isnt enough. __________________ 04 WRX STi 90 Sil- Camino R.I.P. AE86 20v MS R.I.P. KA-T www.209forums.com

02-27-2003, 03:11 PM	#6
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No. That's exactly what a t3 is for. Quick boost and response. I mainly commented about the 350rwhp claim from a t3 at 25psi. A t3 has never been that high AFAIK on a ka24de. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

02-27-2003, 04:03 PM	#7
DarkRaptor42 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi CA Age: 41 Posts: 542 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dont doubt that it could get to 25 PSI, but it wouldnt be very effective at all after about 15. From what I understand though you can ge them to 300hp though, but thats still pushing it. I plan to push it __________________ 04 WRX STi 90 Sil- Camino R.I.P. AE86 20v MS R.I.P. KA-T www.209forums.com

02-27-2003, 05:12 PM	#10
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Anything over 15psi is bad for a t3??? damn, I should go tell every turboford guy that ever mod'd his car with out upgrading his turbo that he has been doin everything wrong... The t3 is doesnt drop in effiecency until 22psi, and then it really drops at about 26psi.. I didnt say it made 350hp at 25psi.. I just said it could make 350hp and it could boost to 25psi with out any significant problems.. My 2.3 is from 1974, sohc, the head and turbo is from the late 70's, early 80's.. not much technologie involved.. just boost and fuel.. and go.. Anyone that likes I can email you video's or maybe I can go back and find a link of a full body notch back mustang, with a 2.3 turbo, 35lb injectors, and a t3 making a 11 second run.. at 24psi.. and if you doubt those numbers I will ask the guy to email me with the mod's he had at the run time and he will say the same thing I just said.. after that he put the 2.3 in a 1st gen rx7 and and hasnt made it to track.. __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-27-2003, 05:27 PM	#12
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well yes I am, its the same turbo.. and its the same basic displacement.. how would it greatly differ? he asked for the turbo numbers.. not a engine number.. and I gave him the turbo numbers and you'll said that wasnt possible once again... __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-27-2003, 07:49 PM	#14
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...threadid=19582 littlespic: read the thread above. In short, there are things like CFM and compressor maps, which you match together. the compressor maps are fixed for a given turbo, but CFM differs with engine. So you'll never have same results for 2 different engines. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит! Last edited by Kreator; 02-27-2003 at 07:52 PM..

02-27-2003, 10:09 PM	#15
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hate to quote myself but i was looking for T3's on KA's I dont think a Mekur is driven by a KA24DE is it? (correct me if im wrong here) Still looking for some experiences... ^_^ __________________

02-27-2003, 11:05 PM	#16
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Check the link i gave and read up. There is some good stuff there on what turbo's are optmal. theoretically (from the data in that link) t3 60 is the ultimate t3 trim for a ka. Quick spool up, and the turbo flows well within the requirements of the engine even at low psi. I'm going to be using a t3 50 (i was going for t3 60 but they didn't come on any cars stock, so i couldn't get a cheap one) and that turbo is as good as t3 60 from 7.5 to 10psi. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

02-28-2003, 09:56 AM	#18
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sorry.. Ill just sit back and learn more about 240's before I go posting anymore.. didnt know there would be so much difference in .1 litre, but I get the point.. sorry agian, and 4 cylinder mustangs are 2.3's unless they put the 2.5 crank, and then they can bore it out to a 2.6 and one guy had a custom titanium crank, rods, pistons made for a 2.85.. runing 13.1 comp on 26psi .. but thats a 2.3 .. sorry __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-28-2003, 01:29 PM	#21
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Its his daily driver.. the compression ratio is 13.1, BUT, he has a lumpy overlaping cam which he says lowers it... he said after all is said and done he is probably between 10.5-11.. and the 26psi is on a xylon mix, 30% which gives a 100octane if you use 92 octane pump gas... another way turbo fords stay cheap.. lol.. he is running 72, 73 lb injectors.. and has dumped over 50 grand in the car.. he just got done cracking a head.. so he isnt driving it.. but when the n/a head gets on its his daily driver.. he has a v8 t-5 with a .68 5th gear which lets him go about a buck 70 or so.. and a rs500 front bumper which lets him keep the down force at anything over 150.. and the rs500 "whale" tail which keeps the rear end down also.. he is working on a dohc volvo head conversion... we are just hoping and waiting... __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-28-2003, 01:39 PM	#22
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So nobodies running a 60 trim T3 eh? Whattu think about the 50 trim then since its more common and easier to source in the junk? ^_^ __________________

02-28-2003, 03:18 PM	#24
some guy Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NV Age: 67 Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How much psi can the Z31 T3 efficiently produce? How much hp could it make on a S13 KA24E-T (estimates)? Thanks. __________________ How HK gansters talk: °àñRÅüÓÑ = Zebra chops people Äã‰ò½ª¾Í·ÅñRß^í = If you got enough ginger,let your horse come over here ÄãÖvØ¿¹í£¿ = What the ghost are you talk?

02-28-2003, 04:22 PM	#25
litlespic Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 40 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I so wish I had that much money to dump into the engine too.. and like you said, I said he was dreaming when he joined the board and told us what he did.. but 3 of his best freinds have been on the board for years and can talk for him.. so we dont doubt much of what he says anymore... __________________ 88 Merkur, just a little 2.3

02-28-2003, 06:45 PM	#27
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm... ace what kind of numbers are you running? HP at what psi? __________________

02-28-2003, 06:49 PM	#28
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 41 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he isn't running anything right now but he was running 7 psi and was pretty satisfied from what i could tell. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

02-28-2003, 07:01 PM	#29
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he blew it!? __________________

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