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S13SilviaDrifter · 03-06-2003, 12:34 PM

Ok, I just bought me an 89 coupe last week, pics will be up soon, i got it for 1000 bucks in perfect condition, I use to own a 2nd Gen Eclipse GS-T for about a year now and I'm currently voluntarily impounding the car back to the bank because it developed crankwalk. What is crankwalk and why does it affect so many DSM's?, this is something you should really search before buying a gst or gsx, is something that affects all 4g63 engines and you take a risk that your's would not develop it. I always took care of the car changed oil every 3000 miles sometimes less and was always on top of it. The first problem that rose before developing crankwalk was that my clucth started going out, me and my friend jacked it up and found out that it was just the release cylinder that had gone out and it wasnt popping the clucth back, so we went out bought a new release cylinder or slave cylinder (i always thought it was release) for 50 bucks went back and the car was perfect again, great!, minor problem i can finally start thinking about dropping in a FPBig28 Green, FMIC, and SFP Exhaust Manifold right......WRONG!, about a month later im driving in a shopping parking lot with my friend's brother, as im reaching a speed bump i put the car on neutral, put second gear, when i let my foot off the clucth the car all of a sudden just turns off, dead, and it's not starting so as my friend pushes it out the way i turn on the ignition the car turns back on...weird, might be the coil, we'll get it checked. So the car kept doing this for about a week, we get it checked and it's not the coil everything is fine, but im driving the car thinking that at any moment it might just turn off, and it did, getting off the expressway it just died on me and it didnt turn back on this time. Now when you try to turn it on, it just gives the sound as if is trying to get going, but it just doesnt and it has this loud ticking noise everytime you "crank" it.

Crankwalk. They call it this because basically the crankshaft begins to "walk" or slide in the engine block to the left or the right until it tears through it and the engine just doesnt start again, most often to the right where it meets the Crank Angle Sensor, that's the ticking sound, the crankshaft pushing against it, at this point, forget about it, you're gonna have to get a new engine and that meas $$$$$.

In my opinion, Mitsubishi in general is a bad company, i knew this when i bought the gst but when you want something you get blinded an this served as experience for me, so i went back to the big three (i use to own a honda before then sold it), Toyota, Nissan and Honda, you get either one of these three cars, and you have a car for life. Fast and Reliable engines. Sorry for longness, just had a lot to say.

Oh yeah for your own good dude, dont get a DSM AWD you'll be spending lots of cash in drivetrain problems, the trany is just too weak, i know a guy with a gs-t that blew his transmission, literally, doing a run and his car wasnt even that high in HP, so they're just not worth it, they come with problems from the company, it just wasnt engineered right, especially the second gens.

S13SilviaDrifter · 03-06-2003, 12:36 PM

oh look here are some pics of the eclipse a month after i had it.

S13SilviaDrifter · 03-06-2003, 12:37 PM

heres another one.

nismo_sr20_wut · 03-06-2003, 12:37 PM

my last car was a 95 gsx before my 97 240, i can take turns harder in my 240 then i could in my gsx, i prefer rwd over awd, and the eclipses that look good 95-99 have tendancy to break and get crankwalk, awd is not so hot in my opinion it lags at high speeds because your putting power to four wheels instead of 2, that is why you see a gsx jump off the line and be 3 cars in front and then by the end of the 1.4 mile the guy is right beside them or in front, awd can get you off the line quick but will lag when you start getting to higher speeds, if you get a 95 240 under 5g's then get an s13 motor in it with mods you can have a quicker car for under 10g's, if your looking for a decent eclipse you will be spending at least that much. In my opinion get the 240 because i have owned them both, these are my reasons 1) people pay alot more attention to 240's then eclipses 2) rwd is better then awd 3) you can never drift, do donuts, or powerslides in awd (unless you have crazy hp or go in dirt) 4) mitsubishi's come with wonderful mitsubull**** (like crankwalk & tranny problems) 5) The lancer evo viii is out now and blows the gsx away, a lighter car and a lightened 4g63 motor 6) gsx weighs alot 7) eclipse come with ugly orange lights inside the interior (ex. dash lights & gauge cluster) terrible if you will ever do indiglo anything inside the car & dont say orange is like bmw because the eclipse and beamers have nothing in common

these are some of the reasons i decided not to get another eclipse, also the biggest one, i lost control and traction in my gsx, with toyo t1-s tires, awd handling baby

(never lost control in my 240) heres the pic of what happened to me when i lost control in my awd!

S13SilviaDrifter · 03-06-2003, 12:42 PM

Ouch! that car is gone

nismo_sr20_wut · 03-06-2003, 01:00 PM

crankwalk can affect all cars, any car no matter what, its just it is very rare in most cars, but in 2nd gen eclipses it is common, 1g eclipses it is rare and in galant vr4's and laners it is rare as well, so its not the 4g63 that is bad, just the one in the 2g eclipses, i dont know what different specs it is on the 2nd gens but everything ive read or seen has never said anything bad about 1st gens lancers or galants, so it is my udnerstanding that it is just 2nd gens

DRO916 · 03-06-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nismo_sr20_wut
...heres the pic of what happened to me when i lost control in my awd! ....

deaaaaamn!! what happened there? u lost control and rolled a couple times???!?! trying to race?

nismo_sr20_wut · 03-06-2003, 03:30 PM

Wasnt racing when i crashed, just saw a car that was going to slow and i was going to fast and didnt have time to slow and when i had to cut to the left the car start turning itself probably cuz i cut it to quick and to hard and then wack into the center divide, flipped slid did a 180 while upside down then crawled out the window. came out with a sprained ankle Thank God.

BOOSTLOVER · 03-07-2003, 01:23 AM

OK about three and a half years ago i got a 94 gst all stock, I drove the hell out of it for a cupple years and it was a very fun car, handling wasn't great, a little soft. After my girlfriend and I broke up I noticed I had alot more money in my wallet, ALOT. So I paid off my car loan and started saving for a better project car. Shortly after that noticed I was pretty low on oil witch=new engine DAMN. $1,100 later my dad and I put in the 2nd engine. I drove it for about 2 weeks checking oil every other day, One day I got home and saw a oil puddle on the driveway and just about passed out. Between 2 to 3 quarts low, the bearings were fried, and the 2 month warrenty was over, DAMN. $950 later engine #3 I didn't want to mess with putting another engine in so I paid a guy $450 to swap engines. After that I was ready to sell it. Got the car home, a few days later I checked the oil before I drove 15 miles to my friends house, I got half way there and pulled over and checked the oil. Everything was fine. I got to my friends house and looked under the car for leaks and found nothing. shortly after that we left, I drove about 1 mile and was sitting at a red light when it starting idleing odd. Green light, I turn left to get on the highway. I get to third gear and look down at the oil pressure, there was none, DAMN. I turned off the car and pulled off to the sholder, got out and looked under the car to find oil pooring out and coolent was ****ing out. This time the engine was still under warrenty. so we towed the car to the place I got the engines from and they said they would find another engine and put it in for free. It took them a cupple months to get one and put it in. So in that time my friend told me about a shop that was a few miles from my house. I went there (Project D) and it was sweet, I didn't have a car to get anything for so I got a video, I will never forget the feeling I got when I popped in the OPTION VOLUME 90 video , it was like my first date in high school when I was droping her off she jumped over the armrest on to me and well anyways the video had me hooked. So I went back and got more and more. By the time my car was ready I Knew I wanted a AE86 or a 240. I picked up my car, they drove it about 25 miles and said it ran fine so I drove it about 40 miles home backed into my driveway and noticed smoke comeing out of the exhaust,DAMN. We tried everything and couldn't figure out what was causing the smoke. We towed the car up there again and they couldn't figure it out eather so they said they would replace the engine for free. This time it took them about 4 months to locate a good engine so in that time I found a 89 240sx for $1,800 , a 55 year old guy that had no clue what he had, two days after I bought it he said he got between 20 or 30 calls on it. It has 170,000 miles on it and it runs perfectly. So shortly later I needed a car to drive when the 240's appart. So I found a 99 GSX about a month after I got the 240.

Now about the 240 and GSX question, for me the 240 is a funner project car. Stock it handels alot better and when I drive the GSX people are allways trying to race and I can't get anymore tickets. Yea the GSX has great excelloration but for around $8,000 the 240 will stomp the GSX in every way. And plus you don't see 240's everywhere ya go. also with the 240 I don't worry about crankwalk. So I would say the 240 is a more rewarding car.

BOOSTLOVER · 03-07-2003, 01:41 AM

Almost forgot, I got the GST back about a month and a half ago and it ran fine. But a week later I did a little spirited driveing and when I got home smoke was pooring out of the hood. I looked under the hood and there was oil everywhere, I wanted to cry but it was 3 am and I had to work at 6 so I went to bed. The next day at work I felt sick untill my dad called and said the dip stick popped out and it was only a half quart low on oil. Now whenever I gun it the dip stick pops out. I replaced the PCV valve and it still does it. I'm going to get some more O-rings for the dip stick and also do a compression test. I've been wanting to sell it for about a year I need to sell it within a month so I can order parts for the 240.

Drifted off road · 03-07-2003, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nismo_sr20_wut
crankwalk can affect all cars, any car no matter what, its just it is very rare in most cars, but in 2nd gen eclipses it is common, 1g eclipses it is rare and in galant vr4's and laners it is rare as well, so its not the 4g63 that is bad, just the one in the 2g eclipses, i dont know what different specs it is on the 2nd gens but everything ive read or seen has never said anything bad about 1st gens lancers or galants, so it is my udnerstanding that it is just 2nd gens

the difference in the specs is acutally with the crank. its is totaly different on 1g. im pretty sure it is a 4 bolt on 1g and 5 bolt on 2g. if not i know there is a difference in the bolt pattern.

LOwrestling2001
congrats on the 240 man u made the right choice. its sweet that u already did the swap. good luck with the sr man.

whateverjames · 03-07-2003, 10:44 PM

I was wondering when I typed that, then I looked at the date.

Quote:

Originally posted by PHLIP
I've heard exactly the contrary, it is also the same tranny that is in the maxima, realistically making 80 more horses than the sentra with no issues...

maybe not stregnth-wise, but I referring to this that I read long ago;

"There are problems in the path to the pavement, though — the Spec V's 6-speed gearbox linkage makes plasticky, clunking noises, and it's possible to overshoot the gate on a quick 4–5 upshift. Also, torque steer is especially noticeable while exiting tight corners in lower gears."

Maybe it's just specific to the Sentra. Who knows.

Travis240 · 03-08-2003, 06:55 PM

What would I do? I'd buy an S15 Silvia from an importer (if you don't live in Cali). That would walk away from a stock Gsx, look sweet, and you can get one for under ten if you shop around.

LOwrestling2001 · 03-08-2003, 07:24 PM

uhh, under 10...good one

S13SilviaDrifter · 03-09-2003, 01:09 AM

Quote:

uhh, under 10...good one

dude, c'mon, you can get like a headlight, passenger mirror and tailight from an S15 for under 10 grand

, seriously.

ocshaman · 05-19-2003, 02:21 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drifted off road
[B]the difference in the specs is acutally with the crank. its is totaly different on 1g. im pretty sure it is a 4 bolt on 1g and 5 bolt on 2g. if not i know there is a difference in the bolt pattern.
The 90- may 92 DSM's had 6 bolt flywheels
then on had 7 bolts. the seven bolts are the ones that usually crankwalk. Most 2g Dsm guys buy a 1g engine to build up and then drop in
Also, alot of MK4 supras were having CW problems with an arizona? clutch.

**mrmephistopheles** · 05-19-2003, 02:22 AM

PLEASE, GOD!

let this thread die!

driftk2000 · 05-19-2003, 02:31 AM

My buddy who drives an Eclipse told me that these cars have what they call the "Crank Walk" problem. The crankshaft slides side to side while stroking.

**mrmephistopheles** · 05-19-2003, 02:45 AM

*STAB*STAB*STAB*

DIE THREAD DIE!!

240SxTYLE · 05-19-2003, 10:11 AM

since mrmephistopheles wont say it bluntly enough....

DONT FU[KING REVIVE OLD A$$ THREADS.... THIS SH!TS TWO MONTHS OLD!!!!

03-06-2003, 12:34 PM	#31
S13SilviaDrifter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: I think is Miami Age: 41 Posts: 14 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	<--Bad Experienced DSM Owner Ok, I just bought me an 89 coupe last week, pics will be up soon, i got it for 1000 bucks in perfect condition, I use to own a 2nd Gen Eclipse GS-T for about a year now and I'm currently voluntarily impounding the car back to the bank because it developed crankwalk. What is crankwalk and why does it affect so many DSM's?, this is something you should really search before buying a gst or gsx, is something that affects all 4g63 engines and you take a risk that your's would not develop it. I always took care of the car changed oil every 3000 miles sometimes less and was always on top of it. The first problem that rose before developing crankwalk was that my clucth started going out, me and my friend jacked it up and found out that it was just the release cylinder that had gone out and it wasnt popping the clucth back, so we went out bought a new release cylinder or slave cylinder (i always thought it was release) for 50 bucks went back and the car was perfect again, great!, minor problem i can finally start thinking about dropping in a FPBig28 Green, FMIC, and SFP Exhaust Manifold right......WRONG!, about a month later im driving in a shopping parking lot with my friend's brother, as im reaching a speed bump i put the car on neutral, put second gear, when i let my foot off the clucth the car all of a sudden just turns off, dead, and it's not starting so as my friend pushes it out the way i turn on the ignition the car turns back on...weird, might be the coil, we'll get it checked. So the car kept doing this for about a week, we get it checked and it's not the coil everything is fine, but im driving the car thinking that at any moment it might just turn off, and it did, getting off the expressway it just died on me and it didnt turn back on this time. Now when you try to turn it on, it just gives the sound as if is trying to get going, but it just doesnt and it has this loud ticking noise everytime you "crank" it. Crankwalk. They call it this because basically the crankshaft begins to "walk" or slide in the engine block to the left or the right until it tears through it and the engine just doesnt start again, most often to the right where it meets the Crank Angle Sensor, that's the ticking sound, the crankshaft pushing against it, at this point, forget about it, you're gonna have to get a new engine and that meas $$$$$. In my opinion, Mitsubishi in general is a bad company, i knew this when i bought the gst but when you want something you get blinded an this served as experience for me, so i went back to the big three (i use to own a honda before then sold it), Toyota, Nissan and Honda, you get either one of these three cars, and you have a car for life. Fast and Reliable engines. Sorry for longness, just had a lot to say. Oh yeah for your own good dude, dont get a DSM AWD you'll be spending lots of cash in drivetrain problems, the trany is just too weak, i know a guy with a gs-t that blew his transmission, literally, doing a run and his car wasnt even that high in HP, so they're just not worth it, they come with problems from the company, it just wasnt engineered right, especially the second gens.

03-06-2003, 12:42 PM	#35
S13SilviaDrifter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: I think is Miami Age: 41 Posts: 14 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Cant agree with you more Nismo Ouch! that car is gone

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240SxTYLE Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: orlando Posts: 290 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	since mrmephistopheles wont say it bluntly enough.... DONT FU[KING REVIVE OLD A$$ THREADS.... THIS SH!TS TWO MONTHS OLD!!!! __________________ Second love First Love (my girl, not the honda)

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03-06-2003, 01:00 PM	#36
nismo_sr20_wut BANNED Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 216 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	crankwalk can affect all cars, any car no matter what, its just it is very rare in most cars, but in 2nd gen eclipses it is common, 1g eclipses it is rare and in galant vr4's and laners it is rare as well, so its not the 4g63 that is bad, just the one in the 2g eclipses, i dont know what different specs it is on the 2nd gens but everything ive read or seen has never said anything bad about 1st gens lancers or galants, so it is my udnerstanding that it is just 2nd gens

03-06-2003, 03:30 PM	#38
nismo_sr20_wut BANNED Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 216 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wasnt racing when i crashed, just saw a car that was going to slow and i was going to fast and didnt have time to slow and when i had to cut to the left the car start turning itself probably cuz i cut it to quick and to hard and then wack into the center divide, flipped slid did a 180 while upside down then crawled out the window. came out with a sprained ankle Thank God.

03-07-2003, 01:23 AM	#39
BOOSTLOVER Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 44 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	OK about three and a half years ago i got a 94 gst all stock, I drove the hell out of it for a cupple years and it was a very fun car, handling wasn't great, a little soft. After my girlfriend and I broke up I noticed I had alot more money in my wallet, ALOT. So I paid off my car loan and started saving for a better project car. Shortly after that noticed I was pretty low on oil witch=new engine DAMN. $1,100 later my dad and I put in the 2nd engine. I drove it for about 2 weeks checking oil every other day, One day I got home and saw a oil puddle on the driveway and just about passed out. Between 2 to 3 quarts low, the bearings were fried, and the 2 month warrenty was over, DAMN. $950 later engine #3 I didn't want to mess with putting another engine in so I paid a guy $450 to swap engines. After that I was ready to sell it. Got the car home, a few days later I checked the oil before I drove 15 miles to my friends house, I got half way there and pulled over and checked the oil. Everything was fine. I got to my friends house and looked under the car for leaks and found nothing. shortly after that we left, I drove about 1 mile and was sitting at a red light when it starting idleing odd. Green light, I turn left to get on the highway. I get to third gear and look down at the oil pressure, there was none, DAMN. I turned off the car and pulled off to the sholder, got out and looked under the car to find oil pooring out and coolent was ****ing out. This time the engine was still under warrenty. so we towed the car to the place I got the engines from and they said they would find another engine and put it in for free. It took them a cupple months to get one and put it in. So in that time my friend told me about a shop that was a few miles from my house. I went there (Project D) and it was sweet, I didn't have a car to get anything for so I got a video, I will never forget the feeling I got when I popped in the OPTION VOLUME 90 video , it was like my first date in high school when I was droping her off she jumped over the armrest on to me and well anyways the video had me hooked. So I went back and got more and more. By the time my car was ready I Knew I wanted a AE86 or a 240. I picked up my car, they drove it about 25 miles and said it ran fine so I drove it about 40 miles home backed into my driveway and noticed smoke comeing out of the exhaust,DAMN. We tried everything and couldn't figure out what was causing the smoke. We towed the car up there again and they couldn't figure it out eather so they said they would replace the engine for free. This time it took them about 4 months to locate a good engine so in that time I found a 89 240sx for $1,800 , a 55 year old guy that had no clue what he had, two days after I bought it he said he got between 20 or 30 calls on it. It has 170,000 miles on it and it runs perfectly. So shortly later I needed a car to drive when the 240's appart. So I found a 99 GSX about a month after I got the 240. Now about the 240 and GSX question, for me the 240 is a funner project car. Stock it handels alot better and when I drive the GSX people are allways trying to race and I can't get anymore tickets. Yea the GSX has great excelloration but for around $8,000 the 240 will stomp the GSX in every way. And plus you don't see 240's everywhere ya go. also with the 240 I don't worry about crankwalk. So I would say the 240 is a more rewarding car.

03-07-2003, 01:41 AM	#40
BOOSTLOVER Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 44 Posts: 212 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Almost forgot, I got the GST back about a month and a half ago and it ran fine. But a week later I did a little spirited driveing and when I got home smoke was pooring out of the hood. I looked under the hood and there was oil everywhere, I wanted to cry but it was 3 am and I had to work at 6 so I went to bed. The next day at work I felt sick untill my dad called and said the dip stick popped out and it was only a half quart low on oil. Now whenever I gun it the dip stick pops out. I replaced the PCV valve and it still does it. I'm going to get some more O-rings for the dip stick and also do a compression test. I've been wanting to sell it for about a year I need to sell it within a month so I can order parts for the 240.

03-08-2003, 06:55 PM	#43
Travis240 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What would I do? I'd buy an S15 Silvia from an importer (if you don't live in Cali). That would walk away from a stock Gsx, look sweet, and you can get one for under ten if you shop around.

03-08-2003, 07:24 PM	#44
LOwrestling2001 Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bay Area Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	uhh, under 10...good one

05-19-2003, 02:21 AM	#46
ocshaman Join Date: May 2003 Location: Mito, japan Age: 43 Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drifted off road [B]the difference in the specs is acutally with the crank. its is totaly different on 1g. im pretty sure it is a 4 bolt on 1g and 5 bolt on 2g. if not i know there is a difference in the bolt pattern. The 90- may 92 DSM's had 6 bolt flywheels then on had 7 bolts. the seven bolts are the ones that usually crankwalk. Most 2g Dsm guys buy a 1g engine to build up and then drop in Also, alot of MK4 supras were having CW problems with an arizona? clutch.

05-19-2003, 02:22 AM	#47
mrmephistopheles Magnanimous Justice Distribution Service Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 23 Posts: 14,372 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles Feedback Score: 9 reviews	PLEASE, GOD! let this thread die!

05-19-2003, 02:31 AM	#48
driftk2000 Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: boston.MA Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My buddy who drives an Eclipse told me that these cars have what they call the "Crank Walk" problem. The crankshaft slides side to side while stroking.

05-19-2003, 02:45 AM	#49
mrmephistopheles Magnanimous Justice Distribution Service Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 23 Posts: 14,372 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles Feedback Score: 9 reviews	STABSTABSTAB DIE THREAD DIE!!