2012 Presidential Election Thread! Let's kick it off early!

[DoobieS13]

Ryan defff had to debate against TWO people tonight lol wow that lady was biased as FUCCCCCCCCC. lol But i did only watch the last 20 mins, the O's had more oif my attention haha

[1 88 U]

[Chrischeezer]

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, I though he kicked ass.
paul ryan seemed so fake, dodged a few questions.

[Brian]

^^^^
Sadly, I think a lot of people are going to vote simply based on stupid internet pictures and gifs and t-shirt/sticker campaigns like that.

remember that huge sales tactic with those "hope" and "change" shirts and stickers and whatnot? So many people fell for it. lol

[gbaby2089]

He also made the Iranian nuclear program seem much further along than it really is. Even is Iran has the ability to enrich plutonium/uranium/whatever right now, look at how long it has taken North Korea to build a missile that wouldn't go into the sea less than 100 miles off the coast.

With the sanctions and support of most of the globe against the Iranian regime, it'll be a LONNNGGGG time.

And lets not forget that where the Obama admin. has taken steps to work with the Russians, Mitt has said that he considered Russia our number one foe.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

He also made the Iranian nuclear program seem much further along than it really is. Even is Iran has the ability to enrich plutonium/uranium/whatever right now, look at how long it has taken North Korea to build a missile that wouldn't go into the sea less than 100 miles off the coast.

With the sanctions and support of most of the globe against the Iranian regime, it'll be a LONNNGGGG time.

And lets not forget that where the Obama admin. has taken steps to work with the Russians, Mitt has said that he considered Russia our number one foe.

So wait... you have access to Irans nuclear program to known exactly how far along they are? God damn dood, stop sitting here and give Obama a call, I'm sure the State Department or UN could use your help!


Also, North Korea =/ Iran.

If you paid any attention to the developments in RNK in the last... 10 years, you would realize that they have received near ZERO AID from China, Russia or any of the other "bad guys" in the world. While the West has spent 50 years thinking PRC and RNK are best fucking friends and PRC has them under control, resent data has shown... FUCK NOES!!

China actually cut RNK off of any military aid long again when they realized they had no control over what the RNK was doing. The RNK also see's China as just a much an enemy and traitor to the Revolution as we see our one time ally Russia, a begin semi-enemy that can't be trusted but must be worked with.

RNK's nuclear program has almost 100% be developed in house, with only limited outside support. Same goes for their ballistic missile systems. Nobody in the fucking world has been stupid enough to go "Here North Korea... have some ICBMs!!!".

Iran has actually already developed ICBMs.

Sajjil missiles: Sajjil means “baked clay” in Persian. These are a class of medium-range missiles that use solid fuel, which offer many strategic advantages. They are less vulnerable to preemption because the launch requires shorter preparation – minutes rather than hours. Iran is the only country to have developed missiles of this range without first having developed nuclear weapons.

This family of missiles centers on the Sajjil-2, a domestically produced surface-to-surface missile. It has a medium-range of about 2,200 km or 1,375 miles when carrying a 750-kg warhead. It was test fired in 2008 under the name,Sajjil. The Sajjil-2, which is probably a slightly modified version, began test flights in 2009. This missile would allow Iran to “target any place that threatens Iran,” according to Brig. Gen. Abdollah Araghi, a Revolutionary Guard commander.

The Sajjil-2, which is unlikely to become operational before 2012, is the most likely nuclear delivery vehicle—if Iran decides to develop an atomic bomb. But it would need to build a bomb small enough to fit on the top of this missile, which would be a major challenge.

The Sajjil program’s success indicates that Iran’s long-term missile acquisition plans are likely to focus on solid-fuel systems. They are more compact and easier to deploy on mobile launchers. They require less time to prepare for launch, making them less vulnerable to preemption by aircraft or other missile defense systems.
Iran could attempt to use Sajjiltechnologies to produce a three-stage missile capable of flying 3,700 km or 2,200 miles. But it is unlikely to be developed and actually fielded before 2015.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Corbic

So wait... you have access to Irans nuclear program to known exactly how far along they are? God damn dood, stop sitting here and give Obama a call, I'm sure the State Department or UN could use your help!


Also, North Korea =/ Iran.

If you paid any attention to the developments in RNK in the last... 10 years, you would realize that they have received near ZERO AID from China, Russia or any of the other "bad guys" in the world. While the West has spent 50 years thinking PRC and RNK are best fucking friends and PRC has them under control, resent data has shown... FUCK NOES!!

China actually cut RNK off of any military aid long again when they realized they had no control over what the RNK was doing. The RNK also see's China as just a much an enemy and traitor to the Revolution as we see our one time ally Russia, a begin semi-enemy that can't be trusted but must be worked with.

RNK's nuclear program has almost 100% be developed in house, with only limited outside support. Same goes for their ballistic missile systems. Nobody in the fucking world has been stupid enough to go "Here North Korea... have some ICBMs!!!".

Iran has actually already developed ICBMs.

I copy/pasta'd your quote about Iran into google and it only turned up this page:

Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

Which says Iran won't be able to strike the US until 2020 (at earliest), but go ahead trust Paul Ryan, who has zero foreign policy knowledge or experience.

[Highway Riding]

Biden lied about not voting for 2 wars on a cc
WH walks back biden tax comments (basically lied)
In 1982, Biden voted for a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade.
In 1986, Jeannie Rosoff, a top official of Planned Parenthood, said, “Joe Biden moans a lot and then usually votes against us.”

[onehundredoctane]

Love the memes floating around after the debates, I'll admit Drunk Uncle had his funny moments, but instead of sticking his foot in his mouth he just laughed the entire time and interupted Ryan over and over.

[gbaby2089]

I don't understand why people pants are in a bunch for Biden interrupting Paul Ryan.

Did not a single one of you see Mitt interrupting Obama and the moderator on a constant basis?

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I don't understand why people pants are in a bunch for Biden interrupting Paul Ryan.

Did not a single one of you see Mitt interrupting Obama and the moderator on a constant basis?

When Mitt did it, he was being “assertive,” and showing leadership qualities by taking control of the situation. It was totally okay.

When Biden does it, he is being a rude asshole and might have been drunk.



If you do not respect the double standard, you are a liberal, and that is totally a bad word.

Speaking of last week...



To which Romney:

[onehundredoctane]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I don't understand why people pants are in a bunch for Biden interrupting Paul Ryan.

Did not a single one of you see Mitt interrupting Obama and the moderator on a constant basis?

I think the main complaint with respect to Biden was the attitude, constant laughing, and general condescending tone with which he said everything, until it benefited him to speak with a softer tone so it seemed like he connected with the audience or viewers better. I'm not saying Romney didn't interrupt Obama, I'm not denying that, but he wasn't as rude as Biden.

[S14DB]

So, a small business is based on how many employees you have and not how much you make?

The legal definition of "small" varies by country and by industry. In the United States the Small Business Administration establishes small business size standards on an industry-by-industry basis, but generally specifies a small business as having fewer than 500 employees for manufacturing businesses and less than $7 million in annual receipts for most non manufacturing businesses. The definition can vary by circumstance dash; for example, a small business having fewer than 25 full-time equivalent employees with average annual wages below $50,000 qualifies for a tax credit under the health care reform bill Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Small business - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's all this talk of the top 3% off small businesses making over $100m a year?

[90white240]

Don't trust politicians, there all greedy assholes.

[gbaby2089]

Am I the only person who finds it difficult to accept the political opinion of someone who can't comprehend there/their/they're?

They're all seeking something, to say they're greedy is silly. Some simply want power, some want approval, some may be in it for $$$ reasons (although getting into politics for the money is a bit silly), etc. Most successful politicians were faced with some sort of difficulty early in life that shaped them forever.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Am I the only person who finds it difficult to accept the political opinion of someone who can't comprehend there/their/they're?

They're all seeking something, to say they're greedy is silly. Some simply want power, some want approval, some may be in it for $$$ reasons (although getting into politics for the money is a bit silly), etc. Most successful politicians were faced with some sort of difficulty early in life that shaped them forever.

Oh, but the money is there too...
A pension more handsome than any of us will earn and sometimes a lifetime salary as well is worth telling/supporting a couple hundred lies.
Self-preservation is among the first human instincts, and setting up your own future for beyond what is foreseeable is more than adequate for that description.
All of this goes not to mention the EXTRA cash one stands to make on appearance fees and book deals.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Oh, but the money is there too...
A pension more handsome than any of us will earn and sometimes a lifetime salary as well is worth telling/supporting a couple hundred lies.
Self-preservation is among the first human instincts, and setting up your own future for beyond what is foreseeable is more than adequate for that description.
All of this goes not to mention the EXTRA cash one stands to make on appearance fees and book deals.

To say that's the only reason is silly though. The likelihood of becoming a successful politician is extremely unlikely, so to make money being a politician, you do have to be quite good.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

To say that's the only reason is silly though. The likelihood of becoming a successful politician is extremely unlikely, so to make money being a politician, you do have to be quite good.

Quick, without Google, name ONE "successful" politician whose guts you hate, please include no fewer than four good reasons not related to him acting on his own accord instead of any of his constituents as reasoning why he deserves to be buttraped and eaten by a pack of wild jackals.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Quick, without Google, name ONE "successful" politician whose guts you hate, please include no fewer than four good reasons not related to him acting on his own accord instead of any of his constituents as reasoning why he deserves to be buttraped and eaten by a pack of wild jackals.

I don't hate any politicians, not even George Dubya.

[Brian]

Do you hate Bin Laden?

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Brian

Do you hate Bin Laden?

As a person and his actions? Of course.

He did act rationally toward his goal. (That speaking from a purely logical perspective on my own part)

[Omarius Maximus]

I need affordable healthcare. Voting for Obama.

When I need rich people to trickle down some wealth on my face; I'll vote for Romney.

[Matej]

Anyone who actually listens to anything they are told during the election period is an idiot. The parties are willing to say anything to pander to voters, to the point of it being totally obvious and cheesy, and I do not understand how some people can take it seriously.
I cannot listen to either candidate or the people backing them, because I feel they are insulting my intelligence, and when I think how much money is being spent on the campaigning, it just saddens me.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

I need affordable healthcare. Voting for Obama.

When I need rich people to trickle down some wealth on my face; I'll vote for Romney.

Then why did my benefit coverage go down and premium go up with the affordable healthcare act?

[ultimateforce]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Then why did my benefit coverage go down and premium go up with the affordable healthcare act?

Because the system is still setup to make profit. Obama at least tried to set the system on the right track. It's something.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ultimateforce

Because the system is still setup to make profit. Obama at least tried to set the system on the right track. It's something.

What the fuck did he actually do? Seems to me like Nancy Polosi should be credited for it and not him. It's her cluster fuck of a congressional goodie bag.

Why are Federal Employees and Congressmen imune to the new regulations? They have exceptions written into it... oh thats right, cause it's SOOO awesome.

[Omarius Maximus]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Then why did my benefit coverage go down and premium go up with the affordable healthcare act?

I should elaborate a bit further. I want to see what 2014 brings when healthcare becomes mandatory and affordable insurance exchanges are setup.

As far as your benefit coverage going down and your premium going up...well, that's private enterprise I'd think. Unless you have conclusive evidence that the affordable healthcare act is directly responsible...I'd just as soon wager that greedy insurance company is greedy.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

I should elaborate a bit further. I want to see what 2014 brings when healthcare becomes mandatory and affordable insurance exchanges are setup.

As far as your benefit coverage going down and your premium going up...well, that's private enterprise I'd think. Unless you have conclusive evidence that the affordable healthcare act is directly responsible...I'd just as soon wager that greedy insurance company is greedy.

Yes, I fell under "cadillac healthcare"... how dare I have good coverage. So rather then paying an extra $4,200 a person they company simply cut the plan!

So fuck you and your "Free Healthcare".

[Omarius Maximus]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Yes, I fell under "cadillac healthcare"... how dare I have good coverage. So rather then paying an extra $4,200 a person they company simply cut the plan!

So fuck you and your "Free Healthcare".

So how is a tax that is supposed to take effect in 2018 magically affecting your premiums today, genius?

Also, my healthcare won't be free; as everyone who is able will have to pay their fair share. The only difference is that it promises to be affordable for the folks that currently do not have any health coverage.

So really, go fuck yourself. I'll vote for the person looking out for my best interests. I suggest you do the same.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

To say that's the only reason is silly though. The likelihood of becoming a successful politician is extremely unlikely, so to make money being a politician, you do have to be quite good.

Define "successful"?

Do you mean being elected? Elected for several decades? Actually accomplishing your STATED goals? Personnel Goals? Change and Hope you can believe in?