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kkw4p · 09-10-2003, 12:46 PM

There has been some confusion about how legal engine swapping (in the US) is on some of the forums that I'm on.. so I did the research. I called the EPA and was referred to the following site:

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Page 2, second to last paragraph implicitly forbids swapping foreign engines into American cars. Not that I care, I'm going to do it anyway.. but we can put this issue to rest.

FAQ please?

Siizzzoooo · 09-10-2003, 12:50 PM

just dont get caught and u'll be fine

DuffMan · 09-10-2003, 02:04 PM

Everythings legal until you get caught

Dousan_PG · 09-10-2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kkw4p
There has been some confusion about how legal engine swapping (in the US) is on some of the forums that I'm on.. so I did the research. I called the EPA and was referred to the following site:

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Page 2, second to last paragraph implicitly forbids swapping foreign engines into American cars. Not that I care, I'm going to do it anyway.. but we can put this issue to rest.

FAQ please?

woah your such a smart guy. you answered the question that had been answered a very long time ago. genius.

nokeone · 09-10-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
woah your such a smart guy. you answered the question that had been answered a very long time ago. genius.

HAHAHA...you mean it's NOT legal to put a non emissions conforming engine into your car?!?!?..in fact an engine that wasn't even sold in this country in the turbocharged form..well this is news to me...

ruf · 09-10-2003, 02:27 PM

SO WAIT GUYS ISNT THERE A LOOPHOLE OR SOMETHING THAT I CAN USE TO DRIVE MY SR IN MY CAR WHEN IT GETS HERE IF NOT I AM SCREWED O NO I JUST READ ABOUT GUY IN NJ THAT GOT HIS BABY IMPOUNDED I WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE COPS IF THEY EVER DID THAT TO MY CAR MAN I JUST ORDERED A FRONT CLIP FROM MY SHOP MY HOMIES THERE GAVE ME A REAL GOOD PRICE BUT I NEED A SHOP TO INSTALL IT FOR ME AND IM REAL WORRIED NOW THAT IT WILL BE ILLEGAL AND POPO WILL BE ON MY ASS MAN I KNOW I SHOULD SAVE UP FOR AN RB BECAUSE ITS A SKYLINE AND THE SKYLINE IS LEGAL IN THE US SO THE RB IS LEGAL RIGHT MAN I KNOW RB IS THE WAY TO GO DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DOES ANYONE WANT TO BUY A FRONT CLIP FROM ME FOR S14 REDTOP 4000 THANKS

Siizzzoooo · 09-10-2003, 02:47 PM

cool, they made an S14 redtop

DuffMan · 09-10-2003, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Siizzzoooo
cool, they made an S14 redtop

Yep, I paid 4000 for mine. It was the best s14 engine.

I wonder why the tag says 180sx though

ruf · 09-10-2003, 03:34 PM

NO YOU GOT IT WRONG 180SX WAS ONLY SOLD BLACK MARKET TO AUSTRALIA AND THERE NEVAR WAS A S14 180SX ONLY THE S14 SIL80SX WHICH WAS SOLD LIMITED TO ENGLAND WITH A REDTOP CA TUNED BY NISMO AND AUTECH SORRY BUDDY YOU GOT A CA WHICH IS CRAP I WOULD RATHER HAVE A KA TURBO THAN THAT HAHAHAHAHAHA

kkw4p · 09-10-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dousan36
woah your such a smart guy. you answered the question that had been answered a very long time ago. genius.

It wasn't answered if there are so many people debating if it's legal.

Flybert · 09-10-2003, 04:53 PM

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It wasn't answered if there are so many people debating if it's legal.

No! We have foolios like you who don't use the search button and think they are gods gift to the board for bringing up this S H I T over and over again. The information in your link has been passed around many times so don't think you're doing any of us a favor, especially the people that read this thing all the time.

nokeone · 09-10-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kkw4p
It wasn't answered if there are so many people debating if it's legal.

just because the morons of the world debate something doesn't mean you are smart for coming up with an answer that already exists...

the reason people are making so much fun should tell you that it was already answered...not one person has come on here and posted.."oh really?..wow, thanks for answering that one"...

and where was this debate?...kindergarden this morning?

kkw4p · 09-10-2003, 04:58 PM

My bad.

nokeone · 09-10-2003, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kkw4p
My bad.

just remember to take everything with a grain of salt..and don't stop posting..

noobs always get treated the worst...

u'll get used to it..

just don't let

like me scare ya off...

Siizzzoooo · 09-10-2003, 06:23 PM

lol, i hope you guys knew i was being sarcastic

*sykikchimp* · 09-10-2003, 06:50 PM

dude.. you getting the initiation flame.. everybody gets it once.. or twice.. or..

aahh.. STOOPID N00B~~!! lol

Muzzy · 09-10-2003, 06:59 PM

ruf....wut u mean black market (refering to austrailia) like illeagal?

and when u say S14 red top..do u mean silvia(S14) or actually a kouki 180sx(S13)

ruf · 09-10-2003, 08:05 PM

NO NO THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME CUZ I WAS GOING TO DO THE SR SWAP AND MY SHOP TOLE ME THAT I COULD DO IT AND IT WOULD BE LEGAL AS A KIT CAR IF I SWAP THE VIN NUMBERS BUT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I WILL HAVE TO GO WITH AN RB30DETT WHICH CAME STOCK IN AUSTRALIA I WILL TRY TO GO HAVE MY FRIEND WHO HAS A WIFE WHO IS JAPANESE GET ME A TOMEI CRATE ENGINE BECAUSE IT IS PREPPED FOR JGTC WITH A GROUP N1 BLOCK AND IS MUCH LIGHTER THAN A REGULAR RB30DETT

Muzzy · 09-10-2003, 09:16 PM

damn..a tomei crate motor???
u got some serious cash and be a hard core racer

drift freaq · 09-10-2003, 11:04 PM

but but but ruf . you forgot about the bluetop SR23 stroker that puts out 800hp I bet you could get that as a kit car engine.
oH damn screw it just run a RB27 out of a skyline R34 GTRRRRRRRV5 thats definitely legal. oh mr mephistopheles were are you? come lock this thread now. ahahhahahhahahaha

Yoshi · 09-10-2003, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drift freaq
but but but ruf . you forgot about the bluetop SR23 stroker that puts out 800hp I bet you could get that as a kit car engine.
oH damn screw it just run a RB27 out of a skyline R34 GTRRRRRRRV5 thats definitely legal. oh mr mephistopheles were are you? come lock this thread now. ahahhahahhahahaha

DOODE! SHUT UP!!!
you KNOW you're not supposed to mention that sh|t in front of the newbs!!! How do we know he's not some civic guy from SRO just trying to learn out secrets! Mod your post!

MyFirst240SX · 09-10-2003, 11:46 PM

Thanks for the informative post. Try not to take the flaming to heart. Just next time try to search around a little before you post/research a topic. There is a lot of information just to be learned form this forum. Even though this may be an old topic a lot of us appreciate he thought and time of sharing this with the rest of us.

ruf · 09-11-2003, 12:56 AM

THEY NEVAR MADE THAT RB27 THAT IS JUST A RUMAR BUT THEY DID MAKE RB28DET SINGLE BIG TURBO IS BETTAR FOR THE NUR SPEC V AND I HEARD THAT THEY ARE ALSO USING VQ35DET IN THE NEW GTR BNR35 O NO WHY NISSAN WHY GET RID OFF THE GODZILA RB ENGINE WHY IT IS SO GOOD DONT USE THAT STUUPID 350Z VQ ENGINE IT SUXXORZ

nokeone · 09-11-2003, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kkw4p
There has been some confusion about how legal engine swapping (in the US) is on some of the forums that I'm on.. so I did the research. I called the EPA and was referred to the following site:

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Page 2, second to last paragraph implicitly forbids swapping foreign engines into American cars. Not that I care, I'm going to do it anyway.. but we can put this issue to rest.

FAQ please?

had ta put it inta JIVE for ya..

Dair has been some kinda' confusion about how legal engine swappin' (down low,
in da U-S) be on some o' da damn forums dat I is on.. so's I dun did da
damn research. Sheeeiit. I called da damn E-P-fcukin'-A an' wuz referred t' da
damn followin' site, dig dis:

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Page 2, second t' last paragraph implicit-like forbids swappin' fo'ign engines
into American Caddys. Not dat I care, I is fixin' t' do it anyway.. but we kin
put dis issue t' rest.

F-A-fcukin'-Q plaise?

**mrmephistopheles** · 09-11-2003, 10:18 AM

holy crapped-up thread, batman!

09-10-2003, 12:46 PM	#1
kkw4p Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: P'Cola, FL Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	US Legal Issues of Engine Swaping There has been some confusion about how legal engine swapping (in the US) is on some of the forums that I'm on.. so I did the research. I called the EPA and was referred to the following site: http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf Page 2, second to last paragraph implicitly forbids swapping foreign engines into American cars. Not that I care, I'm going to do it anyway.. but we can put this issue to rest. FAQ please?

09-10-2003, 06:50 PM	#16
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude.. you getting the initiation flame.. everybody gets it once.. or twice.. or.. aahh.. STOOPID N00B~~!! lol __________________

09-10-2003, 06:59 PM	#17
Muzzy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: TX Posts: 1,555 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ruf....wut u mean black market (refering to austrailia) like illeagal? and when u say S14 red top..do u mean silvia(S14) or actually a kouki 180sx(S13) __________________ lemme have a dollar Last edited by Muzzy; 09-10-2003 at 07:12 PM..

09-10-2003, 09:16 PM	#19
Muzzy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: TX Posts: 1,555 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn..a tomei crate motor??? u got some serious cash and be a hard core racer __________________ lemme have a dollar

09-10-2003, 11:04 PM	#20
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	but but but ruf . you forgot about the bluetop SR23 stroker that puts out 800hp I bet you could get that as a kit car engine. oH damn screw it just run a RB27 out of a skyline R34 GTRRRRRRRV5 thats definitely legal. oh mr mephistopheles were are you? come lock this thread now. ahahhahahhahahaha __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

09-10-2003, 12:50 PM	#2
Siizzzoooo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Posts: 1,355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just dont get caught and u'll be fine

09-10-2003, 02:04 PM	#3
DuffMan Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in a cardboard box Posts: 2,517 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Everythings legal until you get caught

09-10-2003, 02:27 PM	#6
ruf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reflex Racing, Los Angeles,TX Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SO WAIT GUYS ISNT THERE A LOOPHOLE OR SOMETHING THAT I CAN USE TO DRIVE MY SR IN MY CAR WHEN IT GETS HERE IF NOT I AM SCREWED O NO I JUST READ ABOUT GUY IN NJ THAT GOT HIS BABY IMPOUNDED I WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE COPS IF THEY EVER DID THAT TO MY CAR MAN I JUST ORDERED A FRONT CLIP FROM MY SHOP MY HOMIES THERE GAVE ME A REAL GOOD PRICE BUT I NEED A SHOP TO INSTALL IT FOR ME AND IM REAL WORRIED NOW THAT IT WILL BE ILLEGAL AND POPO WILL BE ON MY ASS MAN I KNOW I SHOULD SAVE UP FOR AN RB BECAUSE ITS A SKYLINE AND THE SKYLINE IS LEGAL IN THE US SO THE RB IS LEGAL RIGHT MAN I KNOW RB IS THE WAY TO GO DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DOES ANYONE WANT TO BUY A FRONT CLIP FROM ME FOR S14 REDTOP 4000 THANKS

09-10-2003, 02:47 PM	#7
Siizzzoooo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Posts: 1,355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cool, they made an S14 redtop

09-10-2003, 03:34 PM	#9
ruf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reflex Racing, Los Angeles,TX Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NO YOU GOT IT WRONG 180SX WAS ONLY SOLD BLACK MARKET TO AUSTRALIA AND THERE NEVAR WAS A S14 180SX ONLY THE S14 SIL80SX WHICH WAS SOLD LIMITED TO ENGLAND WITH A REDTOP CA TUNED BY NISMO AND AUTECH SORRY BUDDY YOU GOT A CA WHICH IS CRAP I WOULD RATHER HAVE A KA TURBO THAN THAT HAHAHAHAHAHA

09-10-2003, 04:58 PM	#13
kkw4p Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: P'Cola, FL Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My bad.

09-10-2003, 06:23 PM	#15
Siizzzoooo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Posts: 1,355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol, i hope you guys knew i was being sarcastic

09-10-2003, 08:05 PM	#18
ruf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reflex Racing, Los Angeles,TX Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NO NO THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME CUZ I WAS GOING TO DO THE SR SWAP AND MY SHOP TOLE ME THAT I COULD DO IT AND IT WOULD BE LEGAL AS A KIT CAR IF I SWAP THE VIN NUMBERS BUT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I WILL HAVE TO GO WITH AN RB30DETT WHICH CAME STOCK IN AUSTRALIA I WILL TRY TO GO HAVE MY FRIEND WHO HAS A WIFE WHO IS JAPANESE GET ME A TOMEI CRATE ENGINE BECAUSE IT IS PREPPED FOR JGTC WITH A GROUP N1 BLOCK AND IS MUCH LIGHTER THAN A REGULAR RB30DETT

09-10-2003, 11:46 PM	#22
MyFirst240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 599 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for the informative post. Try not to take the flaming to heart. Just next time try to search around a little before you post/research a topic. There is a lot of information just to be learned form this forum. Even though this may be an old topic a lot of us appreciate he thought and time of sharing this with the rest of us. __________________ It is better to drive a Slow car fast than to drive a fast Car slow! '89 FastBack 5spd: Intake/Exhaust,Strut Bars and JL15. '90 Parts car/Some day drag car.

09-11-2003, 12:56 AM	#23
ruf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reflex Racing, Los Angeles,TX Posts: 1,160 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	THEY NEVAR MADE THAT RB27 THAT IS JUST A RUMAR BUT THEY DID MAKE RB28DET SINGLE BIG TURBO IS BETTAR FOR THE NUR SPEC V AND I HEARD THAT THEY ARE ALSO USING VQ35DET IN THE NEW GTR BNR35 O NO WHY NISSAN WHY GET RID OFF THE GODZILA RB ENGINE WHY IT IS SO GOOD DONT USE THAT STUUPID 350Z VQ ENGINE IT SUXXORZ

09-11-2003, 10:18 AM	#25
mrmephistopheles Magnanimous Justice Distribution Service Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 23 Posts: 14,372 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles Feedback Score: 9 reviews	holy crapped-up thread, batman!

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