JWT vs Enthalpy ECU comparison dyno results!! *Another* 400 whp CodyAce Built Car

[PoorMans180SX]

What you're saying is theoretically all good and true, but in the real world both on and off track you have to deal with different speeds and loadings. You can't always come in and go out of a corner while redlining in a certain gear.

This is where the broad powerband comes into play. This way, when you can't come into a corner in an optimal gear and/or rpm, the broad torque curve will get you out faster than if you've sacrificed that for peak power.

That is the reason I'm sticking with a .63 2871R until I can upgrade to a twin-scroll setup.

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

What you're saying is theoretically all good and true, but in the real world both on and off track you have to deal with different speeds and loadings. You can't always come in and go out of a corner while redlining in a certain gear.

This is where the broad powerband comes into play. This way, when you can't come into a corner in an optimal gear and/or rpm, the broad torque curve will get you out faster than if you've sacrificed that for peak power.

That is the reason I'm sticking with a .63 2871R until I can upgrade to a twin-scroll setup.

I agree with you on the whole practicality thing, but I really feel like in this guy's case (4x4le or whatever), he can drastically extend his powerband WITHOUT sacrificing very much at all down low, simply by adding cams and springs/retainers.

If he is so concerned with "midrange", he should NOT have the Greddy IM....just ask SteveShadows his opinion on that.

If you are going to go with the Greddy IM, which already slows your spoolup, you might as well add cams, which aren't really going to further hurt spoolup but WILL dramatically help topend and allow you to safely rev out much higher than OEM cams.

[PoorMans180SX]

Originally Posted by jspaeth

I agree with you on the whole practicality thing, but I really feel like in this guy's case (4x4le or whatever), he can drastically extend his powerband WITHOUT sacrificing very much at all down low, simply by adding cams and springs/retainers.

If he is so concerned with "midrange", he should NOT have the Greddy IM....just ask SteveShadows his opinion on that.

If you are going to go with the Greddy IM, which already slows your spoolup, you might as well add cams, which aren't really going to further hurt spoolup but WILL dramatically help topend and allow you to safely rev out much higher than OEM cams.

You make a good point.

[HemiCharger]

The point is that you have blown up motors and had to redo things to get to where you are. I elected to not go that route since I make enough power to kill Mustang GTs, Maros and Challengers. Where I live, a Mustang is like a Civic, everyone has one and loves to modify them. The new coyote 5.0 could be a different story. They are bringing the big power back to the Mustang.

Also you all have said that a board usable power band is better so you are in agreement. However, why not extrude hone the intake manifold like codyace and I have done to the exhaust manifold? The exhaust manifold came out supreme and will last a lot longer than the Tomei, I use to run. It would be interesting to see the gains. Cody was I thought suppose to have a dyno sheet comparing the two but I do not know if that ever got done?

I am older than most of the scene and drive a modified S14 -- also I do not subscribe to ImportTuner but the Nissan Sport Quarter Mag.

[PoorMans180SX]

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

The point is that you have blown up motors and had to redo things to get to where you are.

Wrong again. JWT and Enthalpy tunes will not blow engines. This is not "guess-and-hope-your-engine-doesn't-blow". It's tuning, there is a right and safe way to go about things.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

I elected to not go that route since I make enough power to kill Mustang GTs, Maros and Challengers. Where I live, a Mustang is like a Civic, everyone has one and loves to modify them. The new coyote 5.0 could be a different story. They are bringing the big power back to the Mustang.

No one cares.

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

Also you all have said that a board usable power band is better so you are in agreement. However, why not extrude hone the intake manifold like codyace and I have done to the exhaust manifold?

Why don't you try it and find out?

Originally Posted by HemiCharger

I am older than most of the scene and drive a modified S14 -- also I do not subscribe to ImportTuner but the Nissan Sport Quarter Mag.

Nissan Sport sucks.