Drift entrance techniques/form

[Perfect Balance]

Originally Posted by TrustS13

My entry started awesome but I straightened then e-brake.. and idea on how to keep up the momentum for a sideways entry?

Really the solution is simply going faster, but you didn't have enough of a run up to that corner to enter it as early as you attempted. I think if you had kept the first drift going for a longer time you probably could have pulled it off with a transition and then handbrake, but I really think in this case it was simply a matter of not having enough speed.

[pinkarrowsnow]

come out of the gate hard launch the car keep wheel spin down you just blew the tires off in first and second. not allowing you to enter fast. Launch the car off the line keep wheel spin down which = faster/earlier entrys.

[HPballer76]

Originally Posted by pinkarrowsnow

come out of the gate hard launch the car keep wheel spin down you just blew the tires off in first and second. not allowing you to enter fast. Launch the car off the line keep wheel spin down which = faster/earlier entrys.

this ^ on that course i normally ease it off the line in 1st make a quick change to second and then go full throttle. i was entering that course around 55 last time i was there. just try to not spin off the line and get as much speed as possible then e-brake when you get to the entry cones.

[Brian]

you have smooth transitions and all that jazz out there. Good good.

Like mentioned, you just need a little more speed on your initial run up to carry you into that first turn. You should only use that e-brake to extend that slide out a little bit (in case you are coming in too shallow on the first clip)

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

Question, last night at a drift event, I was going a lil faster each time, id enter in at 3rd gear clutch kick, but when I would counter steer my front tires would grip and id end up going the opposite direction I was looking at..my suspension is set in between soft and hard. IDK maybe I don't have enough steering input. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks guy

[Brian]

Are they super grippy brand new tires or something?

I would HATE breaking in new front tires.

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

They are fairly new front tires, Falken Azenis. For the rear I use whatever cheap crappy tires fit stock 15" rims. My tire psi is 40 front 60 rear.

[Brian]

Hmm, pretty high PSI.

I don't know what is contributing to your problem though.
Wish I could help.

[!Zar!]

Sounds like the rear is not breaking enough traction or keeping wheel spin up. I don't think there is such as too much front grip.

Maybe a little more info on your cars setup? Such as engine, and alignment.

[Perfect Balance]

Sounds to me like nothing more than an overcorrection. Your front tires are supposed to grip....

[Couped_up'd]

Would say...

18x10 with 255/35/18 tires FRONT
18x13 with 275/35/18 tires REAR

I am thinking of running low tire pressure in the front, and high tire pressure in the rear. Am I getting this right?

Would do you think is the ideal tire pressure for those size tires/wheels?

[Brian]

Those are some big ass wheels and tires!

[!Zar!]

Hope there is power for that.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by JohnnyDrfiter22

Question, last night at a drift event, I was going a lil faster each time, id enter in at 3rd gear clutch kick, but when I would counter steer my front tires would grip and id end up going the opposite direction I was looking at..my suspension is set in between soft and hard. IDK maybe I don't have enough steering input. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks guy

sounds like your rear tires aren't spinning. Either running out of power, or your wheel speed is catching up to the speed you are driving at.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Couped_up'd

Would say...

18x10 with 255/35/18 tires FRONT
18x13 with 275/35/18 tires REAR

I am thinking of running low tire pressure in the front, and high tire pressure in the rear. Am I getting this right?

Would do you think is the ideal tire pressure for those size tires/wheels?

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Hope there is power for that.

Those are cool sizes. I'm sure JTP could drift on those with his mustang in any tire pressure.

so what vehicle are you putting these on?

[Z33dori]

stock sr can drift on 275s just sayin........

it is possible ..... think hachi tho lol

[JDMStanced]

hey socal guyz
do you know an open area near Irvine where i can burn off my little left over tires? I just need to finish these off and slap on new tires for driftclinic.
i never drifted before other than just sliding through u turn and little donuts

[nismobenzo]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Those are cool sizes. I'm sure JTP could drift on those with his mustang in any tire pressure.

so what vehicle are you putting these on?

rb25 rhd coupe

[pacotaco345]

So! I haven't posted on here since the rainy season and all I did was spin out cuz I didn't know how to control my right foot... All I really did then was clutchkick because I thought handbrake initiations were too hard, (backwards right? haha I know). Recently near the end of the rainy season I started to experiment with the handbrake, start in 3rd, put it in 2nd, keep the clutch in, rip the handbrake to initiate, then let the clutch out and continue my slide. In the rain this worked pretty well, and I was even able to connect a couple turns by my house by drifting the initial right hand turn, swinging the car back left, right, and then back left again to finish the left hand turn. Now when I try and do it in the dry I either straighten back out or spin during transition, I obviously give the car more power to compensate for it being dry out, but it seems like I can't find the balance between understeering and spinning. I was wondering if clutchkicking during a transition would help or anything like that. I'm currently on ebay coils so they're definitely not the best handling wise, and thought that maybe the in the dry they load more weight and thus when I transition there's more momentum.. I'm also running a stock KA w a header, exhuast and the usual 17 year-old kid mods, and I have 215/45/17's front and rear.. Thanks!

[SUPERSTAR]

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[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

wall-o-text

you're probably just used to driving in the rain too much

learning to drift in the rain sucks, it makes you think you're better than you actually are (not trying to be a dick)

rain is only good for learning how to control a car while it's already drifting, anything else is pretty much in a different ball game.

Just keep practicing in dry conditions, there seems to be nothing wrong with what you are doing.

You don't learn much from drifting on street corners, that's not the way to go about doing this.

[Lumos]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

So! I haven't posted on here since the rainy season and all I did was spin out cuz I didn't know how to control my right foot... All I really did then was clutchkick because I thought handbrake initiations were too hard, (backwards right? haha I know). Recently near the end of the rainy season I started to experiment with the handbrake, start in 3rd, put it in 2nd, keep the clutch in, rip the handbrake to initiate, then let the clutch out and continue my slide. In the rain this worked pretty well, and I was even able to connect a couple turns by my house by drifting the initial right hand turn, swinging the car back left, right, and then back left again to finish the left hand turn. Now when I try and do it in the dry I either straighten back out or spin during transition, I obviously give the car more power to compensate for it being dry out, but it seems like I can't find the balance between understeering and spinning. I was wondering if clutchkicking during a transition would help or anything like that. I'm currently on ebay coils so they're definitely not the best handling wise, and thought that maybe the in the dry they load more weight and thus when I transition there's more momentum.. I'm also running a stock KA w a header, exhuast and the usual 17 year-old kid mods, and I have 215/45/17's front and rear.. Thanks!

You need to crank up your tire pressure in the back, try 55 psi or more.

[pacotaco345]

^^ thats already my current pressure haha

[JDMStanced]

My question of location completely ignored lol.
I tired sliding from making a right turn today. I spun out for the first time lol . On the next one, i let the rear lose grip by flooring, counter steering little bit to go to the direction i want, then i floored. I did it to have more angle in the corner but i was just going the direction of counter steer. No more angle. what's did i do wrong?

[iamtheyi]

Originally Posted by JDMStanced

My question of location completely ignored lol.
I tired sliding from making a right turn today. I spun out for the first time lol . On the next one, i let the rear lose grip by flooring, counter steering little bit to go to the direction i want, then i floored. I did it to have more angle in the corner but i was just going the direction of counter steer. No more angle. what's did i do wrong?

We will not condone street drifting here. If you have to, go to some back lot or parking lot. Finding it is up to you. No one is going to tell you a spot.

I really hope that right turn was not on a public street.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by nismobenzo

rb25 rhd coupe

that's a fucking money shot!

well it all depends on power. Looks like you are running around -5 degrees of camber in the rear. so you have to understand, when your tire is cambered, only some of that tire is hitting the surface. So it's almost like you are driving on 245 instead of the current tire size.

How much power does the car have. What kind of course speeds are you working with? any previous experience?

[fckillerbee]

I'm going to be at the 626DRIFT event this sunday MAY22ND at horsethief mile. If anyone needs help, I'll be there helping staff.

this is the perfect track to hone on your initiation skills and weight transfer. Good for beginners and great for advanced driving. Send me a PM and we can pre-set up your car for success!

[!Zar!]

The talk of running a lot of camber is interesting. Just as a road car runs more camber to keep up corner speed, same should be prominent in a drift car, no?

Personally I have noticed that grip goes up when camber is introduced in the rear (in moderation).

I could see a car losing rear grip if the car had camber and suspension that didn't move, but that isn't really the case here.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

The talk of running a lot of camber is interesting. Just as a road car runs more camber to keep up corner speed, same should be prominent in a drift car, no?

Personally I have noticed that grip goes up when camber is introduced in the rear (in moderation).

I could see a car losing rear grip if the car had camber and suspension that didn't move, but that isn't really the case here.

mercer right?

from what I could imagine. Road cars achieve more G's in a corner than a drift car would. I would think that upon first initiating, we would achieve the maximum amount of g forces, and once settled and on thorrle, the g forces would be moved in another direction, and those suspension settings would be more prominent to a drag car with less traction.

road cars have what...all 4 tires using friction. vs a drift car would have foward traction coming from the rear, as well as lateral traction. But the front tires would not add too much traction laterally as they should be pointing in the direction we are trying to acheive.

I guess I couldn't imagine a drift cars front tires being used as heavily as a road cars front tires.




any expert opinions? You've been driving for a while....anything you notice in your fc?

[Perfect Balance]

I think in the case of a 240sx, which have McPherson struts up front with a lot of caster, a lot of camber up front helps keep the tires flat while countersteering to provide grip for adjusting the car or braking, which in a drift car is more important than cornering grip, especially considering that it is only used on turn in. Overdoing the camber will still introduce understeer though, but a driver can work around that with weight transfer, end result being a car that is more controllable during a drift. I.e. when it's doing most of it's work.

I imagine in the rear you would want to run less camber than you would for grip, since like you said there are less lateral forces being applied. This used to make perfect sense until people started running positive camber on the rear in Formula D. I have no freaking clue what that does and how that works, so my view on rear camber in drift cars is subject to change.