2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[tricky_ab]

Oh man this game right now...

Return of the Mac! A T-mac sighting finally happens... I can't believe T-Mac is on the court, and about to make it to the second round.

Originally Posted by Phlip

Who is this scrawny child?

Yeppers, that one!

[Phlip]

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

I always though it’s odd that you can have 1 straight twin and 1 gay twin, but I guess not all twins have the same personalities (I know being gay is not a personality trait). I know of a person who has an ex bf who was straight and her best friend was his twin gay brother haha. I suspected the gay twin was just playing the part to get close, but idk.

Anyways, it’s been over 10 years and I’m still waiting for Richard Jefferson to finally come out. Dude has to be gay.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

ESPN is trying really hard to hype this at the 6 o'clock hour by leading with the story, but seeing how quickly they moved on to other things even they see it as a damn blip in the radar.

Really, there is no wow or shock factor here. Its an unpopular player, in a sport that it isn't that surprising its coming from. Now if a star NFL player came out that would raise more eyebrows.

But honestly, I feel America really just finds this as a common occurrence and opinions have changed over the past decade. Just look at the elections last year.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

I think this whole thing is blown WAY out of propportion, quite honestly. I mean yeah i guess i applaud the guy for coming out or whatever, but sexual orientation has no bearing whatsoever on athletic performance.

I don't care what sport it is, the question about a teammate is always "can you play?" not "i wonder if he likes dudes or women?"

I think Shane Battier's comment was the best "I only want one thing out of my teammate: a commitment to winning. Whether he is straight, gay, black, white, from Earth, or from Mars is immaterial. Just help us win."

Does anybody really care what you're doing off the court, field, or track? I sure as hell dont.

[Phlip]

Ladies and gentlefolk, your MVP:


Let the record show, the people who thought Melo had a chance were delusional.

[jamg]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Ladies and gentlefolk, your MVP:


Let the record show, the people who thought Melo had a chance were delusional.

clear foul though.. didn't get the call on that. i'd probably flop too. it's all part of the game, (until this year)

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by jamg

clear foul though.. didn't get the call on that. i'd probably flop too. it's all part of the game, (until this year)

The double flop was hilarious (they must have forgot to communicate with each other on who was to flop on that play), but I'm glad Derek Fisher finally gets fined for this. He's been flopping for years!

I've seen him win a game against the Warriors a few years ago with a flop:

More on the Derek Fisher “flop” from Monday night’s post-game

Couldn’t get all these quotes into the paper, but here’s some more talk from the Warriors about that controversial foul call on Monta Ellis with four seconds left. The set-up: Ellis gets tied up by ex-Warrior Derek Fisher and both end up tumbling to the court. Monta is called for the offensive foul; Nellie calls Fish a “flopper” after the Warriors go on to lose 123-119 in overtime.

Nellie: “(Monta’s) played against him enough to know he’s a flopper. A situation like that, it was a surprise call. I’m not going to complain. I’ll get fined and suspended and everything else. I like the referee (Bob Delaney). I didn’t like the call. It just surprised me.”

Monta: “It wasn’t a foul. He pulled me. You just look at it. He pulled me. They made the call. It’s over with. It’s done. We can’t do nothing about it. We can sit and talk about it all day, but it still doesn’t matter. Ain’t going to bring the game back. It’s over with.”

Baron Davis: “It was a great game until the last four seconds. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t get an opportunity to get a shot up.”

Translation: Yeah, it was a terrible call, but as Davis said, “I’m not going to give them (the NBA) any of my money.”

[SharkMan]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Ladies and gentlefolk, your MVP:


Let the record show, the people who thought Melo had a chance were delusional.

LoL, never the less still MVP... (numbers do not lie)besides we all know that basketball is now the soap opera of sports right next to soccer.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Ladies and gentlefolk, your MVP:


Let the record show, the people who thought Melo had a chance were delusional.

Lets also keep in mind that right now Lebron is better than Kobe ever was... Just saying

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Riq

Lets also keep in mind that right now Lebron is better than Kobe ever was... Just saying

Flag on the play, the penalty is unsolicited change of subject. You may report to the penalty box and shut the hell up for approximately 4 days

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Let the record show, the people who thought Melo had a chance were delusional.

HAHAHA! And a single voter actually chooses Carmelo Anthony over LeBron to rob him of the unanimous MVP. The Irony is killing me. This is the whole I voted for AI because he means more to his team than Shaq all over again. He will probably get death threats too. lol

They should change the name of this award to Player of the Year or something of that nature so these so called "sportswriters" and "broadcasters" who vote on this understands that this award is for MVP of the League. Not MVP to their team. (I guess to call this award MVP is kind of misleading, but these are sportswriters and broadcasters who should know better since they've been covering the NBA for years)

[revat619]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

HAHAHA! And a single voter actually chooses Carmelo Anthony over LeBron to rob him of the unanimous MVP. The Irony is killing me. This is whole I voted for AI because he means more to his team than Shaq all over again. He will probably get death threats too. lol

They should change the name of this award to Player of the Year or something of that nature so these so called "sportswriters" and "broadcasters" who vote on this understands that this award is for MVP of the League. Not MVP to their team. (I guess to call this award MVP is kind of misleading, but these are sportswriters and broadcasters should know better since they've been covering the NBA for years)

I really do think it should be changed to player of the year. MVP is just so subjective. Nobody can even agree on how we define it. Don't get me wrong, Lebron's stats are insane but lets be real, that team is awesome even without him. Hell without the big three, they're still a playoff team in the east. Is the award based on stats, player importance to the success of the team, league popularity, what? I don't even know anymore. They were talking Lebron's 4th MVP during preseason....so was it REALLY gonna go to anyone else? Get real.

And seriously, enough with the "If Lebron had Kobe's teams, he would've done...." or "in 17 years Lebrons gonna be better than Jordan ...." It's stupid and PURELY speculation. Hell any comparison is. Until his entire body of work is completed, Lebron's resume pales in comparison to any of the greats before him. He's a great player, but he's a different player in a different era and shouldn't be getting compared to goddam shooting guards in the first damn place. Seriously, from a sheer basketball perspective, its fucking asinine.

[Phlip]

By show of hands, how many had the heat losing at home?

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Phlip

By show of hands, how many had the heat losing at home?

Not me, haha. But I had the Bulls not bending over backwards.

And Riq, for argument's sake, I'll take Kobe over Lebron. If you were watching tonight's game, you can see that Lebron ain't clutch. Airball and took a jumper from way beyond the arch. L is a L.

But don't count the Heat out, Spoelstra is a video geek, he'll make adjustments on both Butler and Nate. I expect them to win game 2 unless they find a way to not show up.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Not me, haha. But I had the Bulls not bending over backwards.

And Riq, for argument's sake, I'll take Kobe over Lebron. If you were watching tonight's game, you can see that Lebron ain't clutch. Airball and took a jumper from way beyond the arch. L is a L.

But don't count the Heat out, Spoelstra is a video geek, he'll make adjustments on both Butler and Nate. I expect them to win game 2 unless they find a way to not show up.

LMAO! Seriously? Lebron ain't clutch? You may be watching too much Skip Bayless. Tonight was a rare night that the whole team was out of rhythm. It happens when you take a week and a half off. But after watching Lebron show up all of last years playoffs and being nothing but clutch as well as this whole season for you to claim he isn't clutch shows me exactly what your angle is so yeah there really is no point in trying to have an objective conversation with you. It's all good I'll take Lebron all day and dominate Kobe every time


Just keep in mind there is a reason that everyone compares Lebron to MJ while skipping Kobe completely but I'll leave that to you to figure out

[Riq]

Originally Posted by Phlip

By show of hands, how many had the heat losing at home?

Honestly I had the Heat protecting home court and losing 1 in Chicago. I had them winning the series in 5 or 6 games.

[two40z]

not our year fuk it..

[Riq]

Thank God the Heat closed out the series today. I couldn't stand watching one more game. Hell I stayed on ABC to watch the end of the Celtics vs Knicks game. I DVR'd the Heat game but it's usually the other way around. As much as I HATE the Celtics I want them to win and make to the ECF. I want the Heat to be the team to knock them out of the playoffs once again. I just can't see the Knicks as a rival as much as I want them to be. There is no distaste by the players to fuel the Hate like there is for the Celtics...

[Gnnr]

Things on my mind....

The winner of the LAC/MEM series is going to the Finals. Yes, the Spurs will find a way to fuck it up as they've done the last 3 years.

OKC was not going to the Finals again, they've regressed when they traded Harden. If they made it back with him he could have redeemed himself, but oh well.

Chicago once again finds the way to suck the fun out of the playoffs by bringing us another low scoring, boring series akin to last year's 76ers one.

I hope the Nuggests/Warriors series goes on for 7 because this shit is exciting!

Does it reflect bad on D'Antoni that he is getting outdone by the likes of Mr. Hand-Down-Man-Down?

You can see that a good coach can at least muster out 1 win out of pride and will (Doc Rivers) with a depleted team.

Originally Posted by Riq

Thank God the Heat closed out the series today. I couldn't stand watching one more game. Hell I stayed on ABC to watch the end of the Celtics vs Knicks game. I DVR'd the Heat game but it's usually the other way around. As much as I HATE the Celtics I want them to win and make to the ECF. I want the Heat to be the team to knock them out of the playoffs once again. I just can't see the Knicks as a rival as much as I want them to be. There is no distaste by the players to fuel the Hate like there is for the Celtics...

The rivalry is there between the fanbases, its just that this particular HEAT team doesn't see it that way.

[revat619]

Good god i want this Laker series to be over...

Watching D-Leaguers and the continuation of D'antoni's stupidity is just too much. Call me when it's over.

[zooopreme]

Lakers need to unload and rebuild. If D'Antoni is staying, find players that adapt well to an offense that collapses to great defensive teams. The ball found no energy for the Lakers this season if it wasn't for Kobe the GOAT Bryant. So if D'Antoni stays, it would help to have low cost players that know how to create their own shots.

I wish D'Antoni would be fired. I hope Jim Buss surrenders his "basketball operations" job. And playing old men under heavy minutes will only get you swept in the first round of the playoffs. Offseason 2014 is going to be nuts though.

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

And as for Pau, love that guy but the Lakers are not the right fit for him --under D'Antoni. It is likely that this was his last game in Purple and Gold. He's such a great player and his stats speak for themselves. He isn't THE guy to carry a team but he's definitely a key factor into the Lakers success. It's too bad, D'Antoni didn't realize this because it may be too late.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Lakers need to unload and rebuild. If D'Antoni is staying, find players that adapt well to an offense that collapses to great defensive teams. The ball found no energy for the Lakers this season if it wasn't for Kobe the GOAT Bryant. So if D'Antoni stays, it would help to have low cost players that know how to create their own shots.

I wish D'Antoni would be fired. I hope Jim Buss surrenders his "basketball operations" job. And playing old men under heavy minutes will only get you swept in the first round of the playoffs. Offseason 2014 is going to be nuts though.

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

And as for Pau, love that guy but the Lakers are not the right fit for him --under D'Antoni. It is likely that this was his last game in Purple and Gold. He's such a great player and his stats speak for themselves. He isn't THE guy to carry a team but he's definitely a key factor into the Lakers success. It's too bad, D'Antoni didn't realize this because it may be too late.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

I agree 100%, had Dan Gilbert not opened his Pie hole Stern would have let CP3 go to L.A and life would be so much better for the Lakers right now. The problem is finding such a PG with the limited cap space. I think L.A only has the $3M mid-lvl at this point. I really hate to say this but part of me sees Jim Buss using his Amnesty on Kobe. It's a retarded move I know but I can see him doing this. This way he can show Dwight that he is the future of L.A.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Riq

I agree 100%, had Dan Gilbert not opened his Pie hole Stern would have let CP3 go to L.A and life would be so much better for the Lakers right now. The problem is finding such a PG with the limited cap space. I think L.A only has the $3M mid-lvl at this point. I really hate to say this but part of me sees Jim Buss using his Amnesty on Kobe. It's a retarded move I know but I can see him doing this. This way he can show Dwight that he is the future of L.A.

Now, I don't like Jim Buss at all and think the guy is a COMPLETE moron, but even i would be fearful for him for the backlash and probable death threats he'd receive if he were to pull such a move. I pray he isn't THAT retarded.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by revat619

Now, I don't like Jim Buss at all and think the guy is a COMPLETE moron, but even i would be fearful for him for the backlash and probable death threats he'd receive if he were to pull such a move. I pray he isn't THAT retarded.

I agree but I wouldn't give a too much credit to a guy that picked up Mike D'antoni over Phil Jackson. He seems like the kind of guy that wants to shove his way down everyone's throat. It's like he wants to win while completely ignoring the blueprint his father set for him.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I'm aware of this but I would much rather keep Pau and find players that can guard the perimeter than to max a contract with Dwight.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

A bit of exaggeration on your take on Shaq, haha. He didn't always score but there weren't many people that could guard him.

Pre 3-peat, Shaq was athletic enough and didn't necessarily have a full arsenal of moves like Hakeem Olajuwon. Shaq's build is not even close to what Dwight is. Think of Shaq like a giant bear. How could you stop him from getting into optimal position without fouling him? How could you keep him from getting closer to the basket without fouling him? Not many centers in the league at the time could stop him unless you were taller than him eg. Yao Ming

If Dwight were to ever catch up to Shaq in stats, he'll need to learn how to seal position better. Often times his defenders were able to push him out of position. And because of this he was quick to use his forearms which always got him the offensive foul. He got into foul trouble way too often because of this.

And about his offense, he's got just as many weapons as Shaq does. The only difference was Shaq's size and creativity. Dwight needs another lesson with Olajuwon.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

Dwight has had these opportunities way too often; Nash, Kobe, and Pau were literally his lob partners in the P&R and in most of their screen plays. The Lakers do not need a PG per se, but rather a backcourt that can defend in general.

Chris Paul would be awesome but I don't think it's necessary to acquire a star PG that's going to draw double teams. The reason why they focused on Dwight in the Playoffs was because he was the main focal point of the offense whereas when Nash, Pau, and Kobe were on the floor with him, there were more people to score which would help spread the defense out.

Towards the latter half of the season, Kobe played the 1 position and he was nearly as effective as CP3 in my honest opinion. He created his own offense when the play collapsed, he was able to create for plenty of his teammates, and he guarded the ball handler on the other end. The only difference was the shot's taken.

I feel as thought Dwight will adjust to it as the years go by (assuming he's staying in LA). I think staying in LA will help him grow as a player/leader. Because elsewhere in the teams looking to pick up Dwight, Dwight will end up in an Orlando situation again with bad support.

[Gnnr]

I know Buss' stupidity can't be ignored here but:

No way D'Antoni stays.

Dwight is not an elite player, how can he be the future of anything?I would dump him and get a better supporting cast that can help Kobe (who is no spring chicken) assuming he is to return.

[Phlip]

As a fraternal twin, I'm told that beyond variables based from personal choices (diet/lifestyle choices), identical twins are identical and as someone who is mostly liberal, I believe that no otherwise straight person just up and CHOOSES to be ghey...
Jarron Collins has to be the most uncomfortable dude in America today

[Goofs]

Ibaka looked like he was going to cry after he missed the wide open layup to go into OT.