The Future Automotive Thread

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I think the SR and the RB are the best engines from Nissan, period. The VG or VQ as you pointed it out to be called now might be good engines I do not know but I do know that my sr20 powered 240 smoked them so bad that I could slow down then put 3-5 car lengths on them within seconds and then slow down again all while they were under full throttle. If you know what a high powered SR can do in a S chassis car then you should realize that a 350 or 370 would have to put out 100-200 more horsepower than the S chassis for it to even be close.

That was not my goal to get into a engine pissing match about Nissan engines and which are better. The comments about Porsche are laughable though, pretty sure Porsche has more race victories overall than Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Subaru put together. All Phorsche does is race so to say you would take a GTR over a GT3 is also funny but to each their own.

Please stop saying stuff I did not say..The only previous comment I made about Porsche was in response to you saying you would take a Porsche over the GTR and I said I would take the GTR and kick the Porsche's ass.
Your ignorance is showing by saying my comment is laughable.
You also seem to be clueless as to how many races and championships Nissan has won over the years. They do have several hundred under their belt and have as much of a storied part in racing as Porsche.
If you don't know that you should not even be trying to go here. What did I tell you about that earlier? That's rhetorical don't answer it.

But to be brutally honest Porsche could not even get the 911 style chassis to really start handling right till around 1995. In that time both BMW and NIssan built world class chassis's that had excellent handling and won many races. It did not take take them 30 years to sort a design out either.
Have you actually owned or driven a Porsche? Oh and yes I would take a GTR over a GT3. I should add that a GT3 is not a 100k car, so I could save 30k and still kicks its ass and smile every time.

You know what? I told you not to start pissing on about your SR and you went and did it anyways. Enough already!

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I have been thinking about getting a Cadillac Ats 2 liter turbo, would I love to have a rwd turbo nissan like this instead, you bet. Do I think it will happen? Knowing nissan, I would be willing to bet that it will be a na non turbo cvt hush box with 110 hp and 40 mpg. Then you all will be like I wish nissan would do something more instead of fixing up 20 year old 240sxs. Nissan execs may say they care but they do not and they will not let this car eat any potential sales of their beloved Z car. Hence why 240s here got truck engines.

I have owned a 300zx tt and I liked the vr4 and sti I owned better. The vg30dett was not all that but that is an IMO and you know what peps say about those

Wow a VR4? Really you went there with a old Mitsushitty over NIssan?

You need to just shut the fuck up now. Better yet sell your NIssan and pretend you never owned one.

[jamanrr]

You are a Nissan fan boi and that is obvious. Mitsubishi made some great cars in the 80s and 90s. Your comments attacking other platforms are just flat out funny. The GTR is a good car no doubt but a GT3 especially the RS is a better car. I sold my s14 a few years ago. Again, I have owned 3000gt, 300zx, NSX, Along with an STI (all under 3 years old from date of manufacture). They are fine cars but in the end you have a mitsubishi Subaru or even a Nissan. Audi, Porsche, and Ferrari are different animals altogether and when you drive one you get the feeling that your in a car that is super not in a regular car companies efforts to make a super car.

I tell you what Nissan and I know their spineless unimaginative managers read this very forum, if you build this IDX Nismo edition with a turbo in the 200-230 hp range under 2800 lbs and with a 6 speed transmission then you would have deposit today with full payment upon delivery. However, my insight into this is that you all make a rwd cube and leave people who can remember the best cars of your prime nothing more than distant memories.

[dorkidori_s13]

oh lord, here we go again...

*goes and gets corbic, king kilburn and exitspeed plus some pop corn and chips...anyone need a beer?*

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

oh lord, here we go again...

*goes and gets corbic, king kilburn and exitspeed plus some pop corn and chips...anyone need a beer?*

With ignorant comments like this...

Originally Posted by drift freaq

But to be brutally honest Porsche could not even get the 911 style chassis to really start handling right till around 1995.

Why bother. I'm sitting this one out.

[simmode1]

Jamanrr... Please STFU. We don't want to hear this shit. Seriously. Let's get back on topic.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

What does the Z32 have to do with any VQ engine?

Certainly the VQ35de & Rev-up aren't much to brag about but not all VQ's are junk. VQ30DET & VQ35HR aren't jokes, IMO.

35HR was an awesome engine. The Z should have had that from the start. I think the VQ's only sin has been the competition has caught up. 300hp smooth V6s that average 20/30mpg are the norm today.

[jamanrr]

I wonder if you could buy the Nismo IDx concept car in a few years? After they have completely shelved the project. You have to hand it to them though at least they built actual cars this time instead of calling a press conference with a bunch of lines drawn on a board explaining that the Silvia rides again. Nissan should put a big foot toe right in ghosn and renaults tight bean counting arses.

I do not like BMW at all, do not know why really they could be good cars but I would never own one.

[simmode1]

^^^They usually retire concept cars to their Historic Museum. They're aren't exactly fit to be driving around. I always get the impression that early concepts like this are just one burnout away from completely falling apart.

Originally Posted by Corbic

35HR was an awesome engine. The Z should have had that from the start. I think the VQ's only sin has been the competition has caught up. 300hp smooth V6s that average 20/30mpg are the norm today.

Absolutely. The VQ's have been in production since '95, for god sake. To allow it to stay stagnant for so long until the HR came out is embarrassing. I really hate the fact that they never put the VQ30DET in a sports car...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I wonder if you could buy the Nismo IDx concept car in a few years? After they have completely shelved the project. You have to hand it to them though at least they built actual cars this time instead of calling a press conference with a bunch of lines drawn on a board explaining that the Silvia rides again. Nissan should put a big foot toe right in ghosn and renaults tight bean counting arses.

Concept cars are never sold to the private public. They are either destroyed or go into the manufacturers private collection. Way to many liabilities involved with selling off something like that. Not to mention, those are probably million dollar cars.

[jamanrr]

They sold off a bunch of GMs concept cars from the 60s 70sand 80s but it could have been that they thought that they were going completely out of business and was trying to raise capital. I remember Nissan from the late 80s to early 90s were every project was green lighted and they would show a concept and have a production car the following year. What happened to that Nissan?

And that concept sports the rear tai lights from a s14 lol

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

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Absolutely. The VQ's have been in production since '95, for god sake. To allow it to stay stagnant for so long until the HR came out is embarrassing. I really hate the fact that they never put the VQ30DET in a sports car...

I've been saying that for years. Nissan needs to balls up and make a Corvette fighting Z again.

With the GTR now over $110, you can't possibly tell me a ~$50k Z would steel sales from it.

The Z really does nothing well anymore. It doesn't have the driving feel of a Miata or FRS, the performance, styling and build quality of a Boxster/Cayman, the power or practicality of a muscle car and it no longer can even been mentioned with the term "Corvette".

The Z (feel free to correct me Drift Freaq) was once a Corvette rival, much like the 911. Now, it's not even a Camaro rival.

Cheap Base Z on a diet for $35-40k with Cayman smashing specs and a turbo Corvette fighter for $50-60k. This is still half of what a GT-Argh costs and it would still be just RWD + Manual instead of AWD+Auto.

[simmode1]

^^^Agreed. Let IDX play in the shallow waters sub $30k. Take Z upmarket, put it on a diet with a downsized turbo engine and a suspension to rival Porsche, the Corvette & FT1, but undercut them all on price. Offer a turbo & an N/A like the old days.

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I remember Nissan from the late 80s to early 90s were every project was green lighted and they would show a concept and have a production car the following year. What happened to that Nissan?

And that concept sports the rear tai lights from a s14 lol

[jamanrr]

I have bought very few new cars in my lifetime but my 93 nx2000 was one of them and I think it was 13800 or so maybe a little over 14 grand with t tops and an sr20. That is what nissan was once affordable sporty economical cars that appealed to every one. Now a days for new cars 300 to 400 horsepower is the norm. Ford has a ecotech turbo mustang coming out. I also think a lot of japan makers are ignoring America right now since the economy is so fubared up and focusing on markets such as Western Europe and Australia to focus their products towards. Either way I would love to see this car but I have a feeling in few months they will release a statement distancing themselves from this concept and talking about the viability of the z and it's higher MSRP while it competes against 500 horsepower mustangs and camaros

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

You are a Nissan fan boi and that is obvious. Mitsubishi made some great cars in the 80s and 90s. Your comments attacking other platforms are just flat out funny. The GTR is a good car no doubt but a GT3 especially the RS is a better car. I sold my s14 a few years ago. Again, I have owned 3000gt, 300zx, NSX, Along with an STI (all under 3 years old from date of manufacture). They are fine cars but in the end you have a mitsubishi Subaru or even a Nissan. Audi, Porsche, and Ferrari are different animals altogether and when you drive one you get the feeling that your in a car that is super not in a regular car companies efforts to make a super car.

I tell you what Nissan and I know their spineless unimaginative managers read this very forum, if you build this IDX Nismo edition with a turbo in the 200-230 hp range under 2800 lbs and with a 6 speed transmission then you would have deposit today with full payment upon delivery. However, my insight into this is that you all make a rwd cube and leave people who can remember the best cars of your prime nothing more than distant memories.

Excuse me I mentioned actual facts about Porsche were you even alive in those days? I did call Mitsubishi,s Mitsushittys because from a mechanical standpoint its a known fact that everything outside of the EVO fall apart and even EVO has its issues. Again this is such a fact that Mitsu in Japan wound up getting in legal trouble in Japan for hiding customer complaints over failures and cars falling apart. Again facts that you can look up yourself if you want.

Once again you speak of what you do not know. I am far from a NIssan fanboi and by you saying it? It shows you don't know a thing about me and choose to try and malign me.
Read my sig, would a Nissan fanboi drive a BMW M3 for a daily?

Please stop with this.I state facts and you spout opinion. I told you not to start and yet you did not heed my advice.
This is my final word on the subject .

P.S. Its funny how when people start losing arguments they resort to calling people fanboi's.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I've been saying that for years. Nissan needs to balls up and make a Corvette fighting Z again.

With the GTR now over $110, you can't possibly tell me a ~$50k Z would steel sales from it.

The Z really does nothing well anymore. It doesn't have the driving feel of a Miata or FRS, the performance, styling and build quality of a Boxster/Cayman, the power or practicality of a muscle car and it no longer can even been mentioned with the term "Corvette".

The Z (feel free to correct me Drift Freaq) was once a Corvette rival, much like the 911. Now, it's not even a Camaro rival.

Actually you are correct Corbic the Z was once both a Corvette and 911 rival in fact they raced in the same classes and Z's won.
Oh and yes my first real Sports car was a 240Z it still does not make me a NIssan fanboi. lol

[jamanrr]

^^^^ I could care less either way about Mitsubishi they are on life support these days
I was talking about their starion/ conquest and 3000gt but I also owned a new gst eclipse back in the day. Yes I am old but I saw this and made a be line over here to learn more since I use to post some here.

So are they going to build this thing this time or will it end up as the s16 that never was?

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

^^^^ I could care less either way about Mitsubishi they are on life support these days
I was talking about their starion/ conquest and 3000gt but I also owned a new gst eclipse back in the day. Yes I am old but I saw this and made a be line over here to learn more since I use to post some here.

So are they going to build this thing this time or will it end up as the s16 that never was?

Well first off there never was a S16 planned. Like I stated earlier Nissan killed the S chassis assembly line. In fact it happened at the end of 2001. Now if you were talking about the rumoured and pic concepted SIlvia it really never got much beyond that. Yes Dorki was told it was being worked but they shelved it. It never got near the stage that the IDX is currently at.

The IDX is actually very close to happening and its why the NIssan NA guys are doing the dog and pony show around SoCAL this last weekend. To show Japan it needs to go forward as planned.

Oh and by the way I knew Nissan had won quite a few racing titles so I dug up a couple of facts for you.
Nissan in the U.S. holds the record in SCCA for a manufacturer winning Championships at over 80 . They also have over 200 IMSA wins under their belt as well between their prototypes and other types of cars. Plus 7 African Safari Rallies. 20 Off Road truck titles Le Mans , Daytona 4 times.

But it gets better lol their racing titles go back to 1936 and span over 70 years.
One could pretty much say Nissan is as storied in racing as Porsche and in fact always has been considered Japans premier sports car company.
Something a Nissan official from Japan I talked to on sat told was something they want to bring back.


Ya i know I brought this up but I just wanted to point out the facts I spoke of because they are fact.

Oh and the reference page is here the only mistake the guy made was on the 432z because the 432Z came with a S20 dual ovehead came 2 liter that had triple solex's . At least I was told back in the day the 432 stood for 4 valves 3 carbs 2 liter.
http://www.datsunhistory.com/Racehistory1.html

[kingkilburn]

I've been getting flamed here for years for saying that the Z needs a V8 and that Nissan needed to make a new small rwd car to slot underneath it.


Now that appears damn obvious.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I've been saying that for years. Nissan needs to balls up and make a Corvette fighting Z again.

With the GTR now over $110, you can't possibly tell me a ~$50k Z would steel sales from it.

The Z really does nothing well anymore. It doesn't have the driving feel of a Miata or FRS, the performance, styling and build quality of a Boxster/Cayman, the power or practicality of a muscle car and it no longer can even been mentioned with the term "Corvette".

The Z (feel free to correct me Drift Freaq) was once a Corvette rival, much like the 911. Now, it's not even a Camaro rival.

Cheap Base Z on a diet for $35-40k with Cayman smashing specs and a turbo Corvette fighter for $50-60k. This is still half of what a GT-Argh costs and it would still be just RWD + Manual instead of AWD+Auto.

I'm starting to think Nissan dont really care about sports cars anymore. They dont make much money out of. They're too busy selling fucking Altimas more than anything else.

[jamanrr]

Nissan is obviously a racing company and was for a long time my favorite Japanese car company. Then Renault and them joined forces which you have to say makes their product offerings and styling a lot more bland. Have to say though that they have brought some of it back. I would not quite call Nissan as successful in racing as Porsche; however, Nissan has done well.

Major victories and championships

• 14 Makes and Team World Championship (1964, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1994)
• 8 Long Distance World Championship
• 3 IMSA Supercar-Series (1991, 1992, 1993)
• 6 German Racing Championship (1977, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
• 20 European Hill Climbing Championship
• 22 Daytona 24 Hours (1968, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1995, 2003, 2009, 2010)
• 15 IMSA Supercar-Race (USA)
• 16 24 Hours of Le Mans (1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998)
• 18 12 Hours of Sebring (1960, 1968, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 2008)
• 1 Rallye-Weltmeisterschaft (1970)
• 11 Targa Florio (1956, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973)
• 4 Rallye Monte Carlo (1968, 1969, 1970, 1978)
• 2 Paris-Dakar Rally (1984, 1986)
• 1 Formula One victory (1962)

TAG-Porsche engine in McLaren cars

• 3 Formula One Driver World Championship (1984, 1985, 1986)
• 2 Formula One Constructor World Championship (1984, 1985)
• 25 Formula One victories (1984, 12 wins; 1985, 6 wins; 1986, 4 wins; 1987, 3 wins)

** from Porsches wiki page



the 918 not the GTR has a faster Nuremberg track time as well.





you do not have to be defensive with me, it is not the important but Porsche is Porsche and Nissan is Nissan.

[exitspeed]

To reiterate something discussed years ago, the last time we got a serious tease from Nissan about a new 240sx/Silvia was the Urge Concept. That concept never made it past a few auto shows and didn't half of the positive reaction the iDX has gotten. Nor was Nissan taking it out for public photo shoots to get feedback.

The iDX is happening. Nissan is showing it's hand IMO. They aren't even trying to cover up their excitement.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

I'm starting to think Nissan dont really care about sports cars anymore. They dont make much money out of. They're too busy selling fucking Altimas more than anything else.

They need to start caring about something because Kia has the Altima's number with the Optima. The number of new Optimas I see on the road versus the new Altimas are staggering.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

They need to start caring about something because Kia has the Altima's number with the Optima. The number of new Optimas I see on the road versus the new Altimas are staggering.

You're only seeing a small area of the country. The Altima was the 7th best selling vehicle in the country ahead of the Corolla and CRV. Hell the Cruze even sold more than the Optima. The Sonota was #17 though. I personally think the Optima is the best looking Mid-Size sedan on the market. It's just not going to sell more than the Altima for a loooong time.

[upsdude]

looks like drift freaq picked up another sparring buddy

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

Nissan is obviously a racing company and was for a long time my favorite Japanese car company. Then Renault and them joined forces which you have to say makes their product offerings and styling a lot more bland. Have to say though that they have brought some of it back. I would not quite call Nissan as successful in racing as Porsche; however, Nissan has done well.

Major victories and championships

• 14 Makes and Team World Championship (1964, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1994)
• 8 Long Distance World Championship
• 3 IMSA Supercar-Series (1991, 1992, 1993)
• 6 German Racing Championship (1977, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985)
• 20 European Hill Climbing Championship
• 22 Daytona 24 Hours (1968, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1995, 2003, 2009, 2010)
• 15 IMSA Supercar-Race (USA)
• 16 24 Hours of Le Mans (1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998)
• 18 12 Hours of Sebring (1960, 1968, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 2008)
• 1 Rallye-Weltmeisterschaft (1970)
• 11 Targa Florio (1956, 1959, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973)
• 4 Rallye Monte Carlo (1968, 1969, 1970, 1978)
• 2 Paris-Dakar Rally (1984, 1986)
• 1 Formula One victory (1962)

TAG-Porsche engine in McLaren cars

• 3 Formula One Driver World Championship (1984, 1985, 1986)
• 2 Formula One Constructor World Championship (1984, 1985)
• 25 Formula One victories (1984, 12 wins; 1985, 6 wins; 1986, 4 wins; 1987, 3 wins)

** from Porsches wiki page



the 918 not the GTR has a faster Nuremberg track time as well.





you do not have to be defensive with me, it is not the important but Porsche is Porsche and Nissan is Nissan.

I have not been defensive just factual. But you have been extremely offensive, accusational,possibly irrational and until this post posting pure opinion without facts to back it up.

You are the one that insisted on turning it into a pissing match. All I did was show up most of your comments with facts. Shown by your own previous statements that were selling Nissans racing history short. I have nothing to prove here beyond disproving your reckless statements about me and certain other things.

That page may have said something about ring times I never did. Looks like your on the defensive here buddy.
Oh and the 918 is a new 2014 car and a hypercar that cost 850K it better beat the GTR around the ring,lol. Its funny how you just like to mix and match to try and prove your points.
Get out of that reality distortion field it might help you a bit.

Of course Porsche is going to make it lap the ring faster its a fucking 850k Hypercar, lol. They were still hurting from the GTR unseating them a few years ago which was then followed by the Corvette Z1R unseating both of them.

Oh and If you dislike Nissan now so much like you proclaim then why the fuck are you still here?
You are just talking shit and causing dissension i.e. trying to troll. I am done I just dropped those mostly U.S. based facts on you for your info.

figures you would take the bait and drive yourself into another hole.

P.S. You do realize I never said Porsche's were shitty or did not have a storied racing history. All did do is point out that Nissan contrary to your previous opinion did have a storied racing history. To think you flew off the handle about Porsche just because I said I would take GTR and spank one with it. I was also not talking about a 918 and neither were you. lol

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by upsdude

looks like drift freaq picked up another sparring buddy

Nah just someone spouting off their opinion without much facts. I am done with him. I just laughed at his last response because I was just dropping a little info on him based off his last inflammatory statements.

He is hell bent on showing us how great Porsche is . LOL Something I never denied. lol All I did say was I would take a 100k GTR and spank a Porsche with it. lol That seemed to send him off the deep end about Porsche. lol

[kingkilburn]

I would say Nissan is more successful in auto racing than Porsche because Nissan has done well in an extremely varied range of motorsports in very different vehicles, as well as designed and built engines for others to use(dat indycar v8).


Porsche has more or less just taken versions of the 911 gt racing and built one off prototype cars.

[jamanrr]

All I heard was anal flap from some guy who probably would not pre-order nor buy this car when it came out to begin with. Nissan has me as long as the car is delivered correctly, I want a 6 speed RWD coupe with 220-260 hp a lot of options and a sub 25 - 30 g price tag. If you have that for me then my deposit is already there and were do I sign......

[kingkilburn]

All I hear is . . .

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I would say Nissan is more successful in auto racing than Porsche because Nissan has done well in an extremely varied range of motorsports in very different vehicles, as well as designed and built engines for others to use(dat indycar v8).


Porsche has more or less just taken versions of the 911 gt racing and built one off prototype cars.