RI 1999 Nissan Silvia S15 Spec-S

[HERSH3Y]

Here we go.....

Everyone knows everything about importing and laws and this and that. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and knowledge to be heard and feel important.

I have 13 JDM cars currently. 5 of which are titled, registered, insured, and inspected. I've had JDM cars titled at my address for the past 4 years. No issues, EVER.

Please keep all of the legality comments out of the thread. You can read through the 10 pages of my last f/s thread if you want to talk about it.

[Vandrel]

jk26, I'm not sure where you heard that S15's were legal or that MotoRex did any but that is 100% incorrect. The S15 was never made legal for import. No import eligibility code was ever issued for the S15 as the S15 was never crash tested and no one ever developed a OBDII system for it.

Originally Posted by HERSH3Y

Here we go.....

Everyone knows everything about importing and laws and this and that. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and knowledge to be heard and feel important.

I have 13 JDM cars currently. 5 of which are titled, registered, insured, and inspected. I've had JDM cars titled at my address for the past 4 years. No issues, EVER.

Please keep all of the legality comments out of the thread. You can read through the 10 pages of my last f/s thread if you want to talk about it.

Not to crap on your thread here but people are asking these questions for a legitimate reason. You are selling an illegal car, end of story. There is no such thing as "state legal". There is federally legal and illegal. It was either imported legally or smuggled into the country. A state DMV does not have the capacity to say if something was legally imported, they just title things based on state requirements. That won't protect you from having the car seized. It may not happen now or in a month but nothing prevents it from happening in the future at anytime, even after it's 25 years old.

S15 was never crash tested and approved for import as a motor vehicle. NHTSA, CBP, DHS, ICE, etc would all rain down on this car if they found out about it. People ask if it's federally legal because if it's not ANYONE can seize the car at ANYTIME until you pony up proof of legal import (HS7,3520-1,etc) which the government knows you don't have anyway. Given that this car is newer than 25 years of age it requires a Registered Importer as well as Independent Commercial Importer as well as fitted with OBDII after NHTSA approves of the vehicle for import and assigns it a import eligibility number (example: VCP32 for Nissan Skyline R33 GTS and GTR).

Slipping the car in the country and getting a state title for it does not constitute being legal. In fact, anyone associated with introducing that car into the country could be found guilty of smuggling (18 U.S. Code § 545 ).

For reference, here's a public notice for a R34 GTT that was seized a few months ago in WA because someone tried to slip it into the country from Canada

CBP OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION POSTED ON JUNE 02, 2014
LEGAL NOTICE
NOTICE OF SEIZURE AND INTENT TO FORFEIT
(NON-CAFRA)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION
- Notice
is hereby given as required by 19 U.S.C. § 1607 and 19 C.F.R. 162.45 of
the seizure and intent to forfeit and sell, or otherwise dispose of
according to law, the property described below which is determined to
be used in or related to a violation of United States law. Any person
having a legal interest therein and desiring to claim any of the listed
property must appear at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection,
Attention: Fines,
Penalties and Forfeitures Officer, U.S. CBP / ATTN:FPFO, 9901 PACIFIC
HWY, BLAINE, WA 98230
within 30 days of the date of the first publication/posting and file a
claim and cost bond in the sum of $5,000.00 or 10 percent of the value
of the property, whichever is lower, but not less than $250.00. Unless
such a claim is received by the above office by close of business on
the date indicated below, the property will be declared forfeit to the
United States and disposed of in accordance with the law.
PUBLICATION/POSTING START:
DEADLINE TO FILE A CLAIM:
May 30, 2014
June 28, 2014
BLAINE, WA
2014300400018301-001-0000, Seized on 03/25/2014; At the port of BLAINE,
WA; 1999 NISSAN SKYLINE; 1; EA;
VIN# ER34020650; Valued at $16,500.00; For violation of
19USC1595A(A),19USC1595A(C),18USC545,42USC7522,49USC301129(A)

Why am I posting in response to this thread? Because the last thing I want to see is someone purchase a car without knowing all the facts. By not informing people of these facts it stands to be a shitty sale for whoever picks it up and potentially runs into trouble after the sale is complete. Remember, after the person buys the car they have to try and reassign the title into their name in their state, what's going to happen if their state DMV asks them for customs clearance papers and a bond release?

If you are going to sell it, fine, just tell people all the facts and don't try to mask it as something it's not. I don't really care how you are ending up with the cars you are stating you have but just be aware that this type of thing does not go unnoticed in the community.

http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23153

I did not read your previous thread so maybe it's a possibility that this information was already disclosed but I did not see it here.

I did not come on here to deter people from buying your car but more so to ensure that the facts surrounding the car's status are transparent and not hidden. It is a nice car but please label the car for what it is, not what sounds nice and helps pass it on to some unsuspecting buyer. If you feel the need to question my expertise on this topic that is fine.

If someone wanted to pick this car up in hopes to get it legal later they can but it'd be a cat and mouse risk game hoping you don't get a visit about it. Once this car turns 25 years old it isn't automatically legal, you'd need to drive it out of the country and then bring it back in properly through US Customs. So it's not a total loss, there's just a 10 year wait until it's legal status can be fixed.

If you don't mind these facts than maybe this is the car for you. Plenty of people are willing to accept those terms of ownership.

Good luck and again it is a nice car and looks like it was taken care of.