Would you "trade" your S14 for a '90 300zx???

[stevebsvs]

what kinda car is that? sorry for the ignorance

[Toso]

Originally posted by stevebsvs
what kinda car is that? sorry for the ignorance

RX7

[Sundi240]

Well you all know what Im gonna say, but I'll say it anyways. It seems this guy is more into just cruising and drag racing, so I recommend looking into the domestic market, because thats what they do best. Thats exactly why I bought my Mustang, I didn't care THAT much about AutoX, but I still wanted RWD and lots of power. Plus domestics are cheap as well as parts for them.

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by Sundi240
Well you all know what Im gonna say, but I'll say it anyways. It seems this guy is more into just cruising and drag racing, so I recommend looking into the domestic market, because thats what they do best. Thats exactly why I bought my Mustang, I didn't care THAT much about AutoX, but I still wanted RWD and lots of power. Plus domestics are cheap as well as parts for them.

That would be a great response if he asked us what car he should buy, but he didn't, he asked if he should trade his 240 for a 300

[Toso]

Originally posted by OptionZero
I'm a man, i'll fess up:

Its all good. Just had to clear a few things up.

If both the NA Z32 and the S14 were in similar condition, I wouldnt trade for the Z32. I'm a bit biased though. I have a Z32 already. I've had both and driven Dousan's S13 on quite a few occasions. They are all nice cars. And like I said they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I loved my S14 and will hopefully be picking up another one as well as an S13. My problem isnt with anyone's opinions. Its with whats being passes off as fact. I'll agree that an NA Z32 doesnt make a huge amount of power for its weight, and against an S chassis with an SR, it feels even slower. I have seen my friend race his KA S13 with all the typical bolt ons race my friend in his Stage 3 auto NA. The NA was faster. Sadly, I dont remember the ET's so I cant say by how much. It wasnt a ton though.

Most of my knowledge is with the TT's. And I do have a problem with people saying that they have no potential. Since most people in this thread didnt differenciate between NA and TT when saying they have no potential, I felt the need to step in. I have yet to hear of an SR or KAT that is making any where near 650 RWHP on stock internals. I have seen it with VG30DETT's. One thing to keep in mind is that that is the stock motor so I never have to worry about getting pulled over and being caught with a motor swap or illegal turbo kit. In CA that can be a big deal. Yes, its a pain to work on, no way around that. You get used to it. I wouldnt let it stop me from getting a car I liked.

Pricing on Z's is a lot lower than that. My case is pretty rare, but I got my 90 TT for $4700 back in 97-98. It was in bad shape and I've been building it up ever since. You'd be suprised by how much the pricing on them has dropped since the Z33 came out. Sadly, its usually because people run them into the ground. One major problem with how hard they are to work on, they arent always maintained as well.

I'm suprised that SCC didnt mention the rear end issues with their 240. Its the same setup as the Z32. A set of subframe spacers go a long way towards fixing it, and full aluminum inserts gets rid of a bit more of the wheel hop. But both chassis's have the anti squating prolem.

I'm dont really have a problem with anything you said opinion wise. Like I said, just clearing up some facts.

[OptionZero]

So i'll put theall important "IHMO" next time

[old_s13]

Both cars are great, just depends what you want:

Z32 is a heavier and more stable car, its wider.. so its better for higher speeds.

240SX is a lighter chassis, better for certain smaller mountain roads.

As for drag, both have the same issues with traction.. nothing a solid rear end wont fix.

ps: Safety-wise, NHTSA showed that the S13 rated VERY well in head-on collision, then the S14, then the Z32. I had the links somewhere.. but its good to know the S13 is the safest of the bunch, amazingly enough (and no airbag too). WOW!

- Mike

[proj240sx]

i wouldnt even trade my s13 for one..i hate those cars..see them almost every day with something wrong with them at work =/

[Spec_v5150]

I have never driven a 300zx, but I would trade if I were in the situation. I was looking for a N/A 300zx. They had one at my local dealer and I fianlly begged enough to sell my S13 and get it and the damn car was gone. My plans were to....get the engine rebuilt to handle nitrous. I was going to do every bolt on/mod available for the N/A and then slap a 100 shot on it for weeked use. Or you can always do the TT conversion. There is a write up of a guy converting the n/A to TT for under 4000. Which isnt bad considering what is involved

[zenkiDori]

Originally posted by stevebsvs
what kinda car is that? sorry for the ignorance

late model RX7. 1993 and up.

[Id-]

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

funny. i know of guys w/ turbo zs who run w/ stock turbos and a RELATIVELY stock setup that runs high 11s lows 12

its all about the driver!!

i believe a local so cali guy w/ a z32tt has 700ish rwhp on his z32tt. no its not like a supra but its also not a i-6. different kind of car.


i think your talking out of your ass.

btw, supras are HEAVIER then a z32tt! HAHA

now who's talking out of their ass here?
stock turbo Z32s DONT run 11s OR 12s... you MIGHT see one run 12s on a good launch but for the most part they run 13s!!! I know; I've seen too many to count and I used to OWN one!!!
Z32TTs are unreliable in many ways, they are heavy and stiff which makes them FEEL like they handle well but they are relatively mediocre, the SupraTT and the RX-7 of the 93+ generation ran circles around them...

the 700rwhp Z prolly still runs high 12s... i remember Kyle Puckett a few years ago having some 650rwhp and running 10.60s at 144mph... pathetic, should have been in the mid 9s along with Ari and a few other cars at similar mph

Supras are NOT heavier than a Z32; they weigh just about the same... you shouldnt even compare the two cars in the same sentence...

Originally Posted by Toso

The reason you dont see more of them at the track is because of the price. You see tons of civics and integras there. Does that mean they are the ultimate car? What does that say about cars you never see at the track? Does that mean that the Lotus Elise would be horrible for AutoX? I kinda doubt that. I'll admit that they cost more to upgrade than a lot of other cars but you get what you pay for.

no the reason you dont seem them at the track is because they suck at auto-x and they suck at drag racing... the Z is prolly good for roadracing, but there ARE better cars out there... there are auto-x guys out there with money; and guess what they race? miata's, WRXs, and RX-7s... not to mention DSRs and done-up C4s and C5s...


Z32 N/As have no aftermarket for being FAST is the world I think the guy meant to say... turbocharging their NA motor leads to many problems

Haha, have you driven one? Not entertaining? I would be willing to bet that a stock Z32 handles better than your S14 with your mods. All that and almost twice the power stock. You're right, that doesnt sound entertaining does it?

i SERIOUSLY doubt it; while the Z has loads of grip; the S14 with suspension mods would drive circles around it, its far lighter and nimble, tracks better, responds better, etc, etc, etc the list goes on... the ZX was never meant to be some big handling car; it was built as a grand tourer from the beginning... it does several things well; and some things not so well; its more of a jack of all trades

Maybe its just me, but I think the condition of the car is a little more important than the age. There are plenty of older cars that I'd love to have.

I hear you, I'd love to have a 240z or 280z with a L28ET swapped in just as a fun car (or better yet a RB25 )

I'll agree that they aren't blindingly fast. But I'd wager that its still faster than your car.

prolly the same speed; Z32 NAs run 15s with a decent driver

So you're implying that the Z32 has no potential? Lets examine that. I would be willing to bet that given the same mods on an S14 and a Z32, the Z32 will make more power. We probably shouldn't even talk about the difference if we put the parts on a TT. Upgraded suspension will do about the same for each car. Have you ever thought it was interesting how a decent amount of stock Z32 parts are upgrades for S chassis cars?

I seriously doubt it; the VG30 would probably explode or overheat or something, trust me I know from experience... upgraded suspension just makes the Z corner stiffer; it does nothing for its portly 3500lb curb weight and horrible anti-squat suspension (which doesnt help that its already heavy)...
its interesting that a lot of Z chassis parts are upgrades for S chassis because the Z IS SO FREAKING HEAVY.... the Z32TT brakes SUCK HARDCORE IN A Z... why are they better on a 240? because the 240 weighs 800lbs less... the car has bigger and stronger things on it because it HAS to... same reason you have monster brakes on dumptrucks to slow them down or really beefy rear-ends to handle the torque... same principle applies here

I dont hate the Z32, but I know exactly what it is after owning LOTS of BETTER cars... its a jack of all trades GT car meant for pimping around in and light performance driving (top speed runs come to mind with the .29 cd)... I do hate, however, Z32 owners that think they are the biggest shit in the world because they own the most powerful (and heavy) Z made... the Z could have been so much more but Nissan used a V6 instead of a I6, and it was far to heavy to be anymore than a grippy touring car...

your condescending attitude towards a 240sx owner is exactly what I cant tolerate; you act like the S14 is such a lower car than a Z32...

[Id-]

Originally Posted by zenkiDori

never. just about the only car in the US that i would trade my S14 for and keep would be an FD3S.

hope you wouldnt be trading your daily driver

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by zenkiDori

never. just about the only car in the US that i would trade my S14 for and keep would be an FD3S.

I would only trade my S14 for an FD because I FLIPPED my S14 last year... I wouldn't want the nightmare of having to work on or possibly having to replace the engine in the FD, does anyone know what drove that car from the US market?

[ca18guy]

About a year late on the reply there Id- and yes stock turbo Z32's are in the 11's