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Zexel · 03-12-2002, 07:15 PM

there's this place about 3 miles from my house that sells a ton of GSX Eclipse's and TSi Talon's, of all years and sorts.  and I'm considering a 91 Talon TSi (gotta love them AWD Turbo's&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  now I never said I'm getting one, but it is a more than likely type of thing.  they're somewhat cheap, AWD, and stock turbo, easy to upgrade, and performance parts are fairly cheap as well.  of course after that I'm going to go on and hook it up with the 240 and live my life Nissan all the way, but what do you guys think?  oh yeah, and the dealership that I'm buying one from (If I decide to), ANY, yes ANY, performance part I buy, no matter if it's exhaust, intake, custom intercooler, anything, they install for free!  so that automatically puts a grin on my face.  but I was just letting you guys know that I still love my Nissan's, but I'm going to give these Talon's a try for once, if I don't like, then I sell and here I come 240!  sorry guys!  btw, I'm still pimpin the Sentra as of now.  I'll be sure to keep on postin in this forum (if ya'll don't mind of course).  sorry!!  I still love all of you, and am willing to chat anytime.  anyone ever heard BAD things about Talon's?!

whateverjames · 03-12-2002, 07:38 PM

for every good thing i've heard about those cars, i've heard a bad thing.    but free installation?? sheeeit. i'd go for it.

Drifting Ricer · 03-12-2002, 07:49 PM

I wanted a GSX so bad I couldn't sleep at night. But I gave up saying up for it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> and got the s14 you see today. Something about AWD detune lancer engine that gets me going. 200HP right of the bat is really a good thing. Who knows what stock internals can hold on "One of the Super 4 bangers of the world". Plus free installs can't beat that! How much?? Ahwell a ESR (SR 240sx) or BTE(bolt on turbo 240sx) is still something to behold! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

96SEChick · 03-12-2002, 07:50 PM

Have the car, ESPECIALLY the turbos, thoroughly inspected before you offer to sign any piece of paper.  Also see if there is an extended warranty available, some of them you can pay a little extra and have the stock turbos covered under warranty.  Another little thing about the Talon TSi--depending on what year it is, it may have a recall on the AWD transfer case.  My bf used to have a 1992 Laser GSX (same exact thing as the Talon TSi and Eclipse GSX) and he had a recall on the transfer case, for a transfer case oil leak.  There were also recalls issued on the O2 sensor, and the camshaft timing belt.

Go to www.alldata.com and select Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins (the blue menu bar above the text) and choose the year of your car and go from there.  It will list EVERY recall and technical service bulletin listed for your car.

NiSMoKA55 · 03-12-2002, 08:17 PM

You know it is funny that most of us started out loving some other car and as you got smarter about cars and how much money you can spare you realized that there was a great car all the way at the bottom of the money ladder.

I started out wanting a Honda Prelud (yes I said it a HONDA Prelude), but after a while I just began to dislike the car and then went to an Acura Integra GSR. I then realized I wanted a car before High School was over and my parents were not going to buy me a car. So I kept decreasing the price and wanted an Eclipse GS-T or GSX, then went to an Eagle Talon, very cheap, then as I researched about them I kept hearing prblems about them. Then I went to an Old Supra and heard about the Head Gasket issure, then finally heard about this SR20DET (at the time I never heard of it). And here I am now awaiting to buy a Nissan 240SX, most likely will buy it in the Summer and start my Project.

Sorry for rambling on, also note I do not have a car yet and did not ever own any of those other cars.

sil80 · 03-12-2002, 08:44 PM

Zexel, a good friend of mine has a 92 TSI AWD in pretty good shape except the fact the engine is blown. He has spent the last two months waiting for a engine. He is going through a well respected import place around here to. There suppose to have something this week. Also he has some good links for part mods if you would like them. I happened to drive it before he blew up. He couldnt drive a stick and wanted to see what it could do. Let me tell you it took a good while for that stock turbo to spool up. Well me being that im a drift nut first thing I try is to drift.... well that didnt happen that well. So what could I do but hit the next corner going twice as fast. I dont know drifting tech with AWD but seems speed help a lot hehehe. Should have seen the look on his face. Could tell if he was smiling or that "OOO shit i just wet myself" look.
Well if you want the links just ask.

William · 03-12-2002, 09:02 PM

I'm wondering why no one has mentioned that the trannies are shit.  Nice thing about Nissan's is that the trannies are bulletproof.  I'd elaborate more and will if someone wants me to, but I gota go now.

*sykikchimp* · 03-13-2002, 07:29 AM

....  please do.  (I've heard about the crank walk they are prone too, but it'd be nice to have a good explanation)

Zexel · 03-13-2002, 03:20 PM

ok, one of these days next week (Spring Break...YES&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> me and my brother are going to go up there and see if we can get some REAL info about it, and see if we can...test drive? haha, or at least have someone take us out in 91 TSi and a 95-98 GSX or TSi.  I'm pumped about that...just gotta see how they ride and how fast/slow the turbo spools, pick up around 60+, and I really want to see what those AWD turbo's can do off the line, but of course, they don't abuse their cars!!!  but thanks for all the replies

bing · 03-13-2002, 03:52 PM

i really wanted a ts1 too, but fate feared it's sometimes ugly head and dissuaded me.

a very good friend of mine just got a 93 tsi with 110km, they are very very fast... sure they have problems but what domestic doesnt...

it is one of the only domestics i would ever consider driving, they have a lots of potential and a good after market and you will smoking damn near any honda modded or not right of the bat... i say get one.

the free installation sounds to good to be true... that'll save you alot of money

William · 03-13-2002, 04:06 PM

umm, they're not domestic, at all. Mitsubishi GSX, GST, Eagle Talon TSi, TSi AWD, Chrysler Laser GSX (I think)... They all have the same engine. It's a detuned version of the japenese Mitsubishi EVO engine, the 4G63. The tranny problems come into play because when an AWD car launches, the tires hardly spin. This means that all of the torque that would usually make the tires spin on high powered FWD or RWD cars, is stressing the tranny on AWD cars. Subaru Impeza (including WRX), 3000GT VR-4, and other DSM's all have a reputation for having weak trannies. The thing is, I can't think of a single tranny on an AWD turbo car that had a good reputation, wait now I can, Skyline.  Nissan tranny's rule. The truth is, AWD cars eat driveline parts for breakfast. Clutches, diffs, tranny's, etc. I would rather have a slightly slower car than have to replace a tranny every 30,000 or so on a 400hp dsm.

Here's a short list of driveline modifications made to an 11 sec GSX:

SS Braided Clutch Line
Short-Throw Shifter
BG Syncro Shift Transaxle Fluid
ACT 2600 Clutch
Symborski Shifter Kit
Clutch Restrictor removed
Built Tranny:
Steel EVO shift forks
Four Spider Center Differential
Double Syncro 2nd gear
upgraded 3-4 shaft with a stronger Hub and Sleeve

03-12-2002, 07:15 PM	#1
Zexel Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 262 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	there's this place about 3 miles from my house that sells a ton of GSX Eclipse's and TSi Talon's, of all years and sorts.  and I'm considering a 91 Talon TSi (gotta love them AWD Turbo's&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>  now I never said I'm getting one, but it is a more than likely type of thing.  they're somewhat cheap, AWD, and stock turbo, easy to upgrade, and performance parts are fairly cheap as well.  of course after that I'm going to go on and hook it up with the 240 and live my life Nissan all the way, but what do you guys think?  oh yeah, and the dealership that I'm buying one from (If I decide to), ANY, yes ANY, performance part I buy, no matter if it's exhaust, intake, custom intercooler, anything, they install for free!  so that automatically puts a grin on my face.  but I was just letting you guys know that I still love my Nissan's, but I'm going to give these Talon's a try for once, if I don't like, then I sell and here I come 240!  sorry guys!  btw, I'm still pimpin the Sentra as of now.  I'll be sure to keep on postin in this forum (if ya'll don't mind of course).  sorry!!  I still love all of you, and am willing to chat anytime.  anyone ever heard BAD things about Talon's?! __________________ All throttle, no bottle.[br]Drive it like you stole it.

03-12-2002, 07:38 PM	#2
whateverjames Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis Age: 45 Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	for every good thing i've heard about those cars, i've heard a bad thing.    but free installation?? sheeeit. i'd go for it. __________________ 02 Blazer X - 90 240SX w/SR oh noes

03-12-2002, 07:50 PM	#4
96SEChick Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 48 Posts: 1,814 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Have the car, ESPECIALLY the turbos, thoroughly inspected before you offer to sign any piece of paper.  Also see if there is an extended warranty available, some of them you can pay a little extra and have the stock turbos covered under warranty.  Another little thing about the Talon TSi--depending on what year it is, it may have a recall on the AWD transfer case.  My bf used to have a 1992 Laser GSX (same exact thing as the Talon TSi and Eclipse GSX) and he had a recall on the transfer case, for a transfer case oil leak.  There were also recalls issued on the O2 sensor, and the camshaft timing belt. Go to www.alldata.com and select Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins (the blue menu bar above the text) and choose the year of your car and go from there.  It will list EVERY recall and technical service bulletin listed for your car. __________________ Lauren '91 300ZX TT Ultra Red 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JUN flywheel, ACT clutch, Energy Suspension Bushings, Tokico Blues - dyno'ed 295hp/306tq '94 300ZX TT Black Emerald Pearl 5-speed - JWT POPCharger, JWT ECU w/ Stillen chip, Stillen exhaust, Tokico Blues, Eibach ProKits, 18" Enkei RP-01 wheels - dyno'ed 333hp/385tq '00 WS6 Trans Am Bright Red 6-speedFOR SALE - only 29k miles, stock, fully loaded, only $23,999 (NADA $26300) Green Country Motorsports Northeastern Oklahoma SCCA

03-12-2002, 08:17 PM	#5
NiSMoKA55 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 37 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You know it is funny that most of us started out loving some other car and as you got smarter about cars and how much money you can spare you realized that there was a great car all the way at the bottom of the money ladder. I started out wanting a Honda Prelud (yes I said it a HONDA Prelude), but after a while I just began to dislike the car and then went to an Acura Integra GSR. I then realized I wanted a car before High School was over and my parents were not going to buy me a car. So I kept decreasing the price and wanted an Eclipse GS-T or GSX, then went to an Eagle Talon, very cheap, then as I researched about them I kept hearing prblems about them. Then I went to an Old Supra and heard about the Head Gasket issure, then finally heard about this SR20DET (at the time I never heard of it). And here I am now awaiting to buy a Nissan 240SX, most likely will buy it in the Summer and start my Project. Sorry for rambling on, also note I do not have a car yet and did not ever own any of those other cars. __________________ http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291993759&congratulation_page=Y Check out some cool pics I made with Adobe, add yours if you want.

03-12-2002, 08:44 PM	#6
sil80 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 660 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Zexel, a good friend of mine has a 92 TSI AWD in pretty good shape except the fact the engine is blown. He has spent the last two months waiting for a engine. He is going through a well respected import place around here to. There suppose to have something this week. Also he has some good links for part mods if you would like them. I happened to drive it before he blew up. He couldnt drive a stick and wanted to see what it could do. Let me tell you it took a good while for that stock turbo to spool up. Well me being that im a drift nut first thing I try is to drift.... well that didnt happen that well. So what could I do but hit the next corner going twice as fast. I dont know drifting tech with AWD but seems speed help a lot hehehe. Should have seen the look on his face. Could tell if he was smiling or that "OOO shit i just wet myself" look. Well if you want the links just ask. __________________ Five degrees of separation - from you and your license 91 240sx SE

03-12-2002, 07:49 PM	#3
Drifting Ricer Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Boston MA Posts: 608 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wanted a GSX so bad I couldn't sleep at night. But I gave up saying up for it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> and got the s14 you see today. Something about AWD detune lancer engine that gets me going. 200HP right of the bat is really a good thing. Who knows what stock internals can hold on "One of the Super 4 bangers of the world". Plus free installs can't beat that! How much?? Ahwell a ESR (SR 240sx) or BTE(bolt on turbo 240sx) is still something to behold! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ NER Solo 2 18 SM

03-12-2002, 09:02 PM	#7
William Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm wondering why no one has mentioned that the trannies are shit.  Nice thing about Nissan's is that the trannies are bulletproof.  I'd elaborate more and will if someone wants me to, but I gota go now.

03-13-2002, 07:29 AM	#8
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 44 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	....  please do.  (I've heard about the crank walk they are prone too, but it'd be nice to have a good explanation) __________________

03-13-2002, 03:20 PM	#9
Zexel Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 262 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok, one of these days next week (Spring Break...YES&#33<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> me and my brother are going to go up there and see if we can get some REAL info about it, and see if we can...test drive? haha, or at least have someone take us out in 91 TSi and a 95-98 GSX or TSi.  I'm pumped about that...just gotta see how they ride and how fast/slow the turbo spools, pick up around 60+, and I really want to see what those AWD turbo's can do off the line, but of course, they don't abuse their cars!!!  but thanks for all the replies __________________ All throttle, no bottle.[br]Drive it like you stole it.

03-13-2002, 03:52 PM	#10
bing Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ontario canada Posts: 2,699 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	i really wanted a ts1 too, but fate feared it's sometimes ugly head and dissuaded me. a very good friend of mine just got a 93 tsi with 110km, they are very very fast... sure they have problems but what domestic doesnt... it is one of the only domestics i would ever consider driving, they have a lots of potential and a good after market and you will smoking damn near any honda modded or not right of the bat... i say get one. the free installation sounds to good to be true... that'll save you alot of money __________________ www.son240sx.org /// www.nyspeed.com

03-13-2002, 04:06 PM	#11
William Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	umm, they're not domestic, at all. Mitsubishi GSX, GST, Eagle Talon TSi, TSi AWD, Chrysler Laser GSX (I think)... They all have the same engine. It's a detuned version of the japenese Mitsubishi EVO engine, the 4G63. The tranny problems come into play because when an AWD car launches, the tires hardly spin. This means that all of the torque that would usually make the tires spin on high powered FWD or RWD cars, is stressing the tranny on AWD cars. Subaru Impeza (including WRX), 3000GT VR-4, and other DSM's all have a reputation for having weak trannies. The thing is, I can't think of a single tranny on an AWD turbo car that had a good reputation, wait now I can, Skyline.  Nissan tranny's rule. The truth is, AWD cars eat driveline parts for breakfast. Clutches, diffs, tranny's, etc. I would rather have a slightly slower car than have to replace a tranny every 30,000 or so on a 400hp dsm. Here's a short list of driveline modifications made to an 11 sec GSX: SS Braided Clutch Line Short-Throw Shifter BG Syncro Shift Transaxle Fluid ACT 2600 Clutch Symborski Shifter Kit Clutch Restrictor removed Built Tranny: Steel EVO shift forks Four Spider Center Differential Double Syncro 2nd gear upgraded 3-4 shaft with a stronger Hub and Sleeve

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