Best N/A Engine

[MakotoS13]

the key to swapping any part into a car is to make it feel like its in its original home and accomidate it as such.

[drftwerks]

Originally Posted by 91CRXsiR

B16A is the king, then 20V4AGE

haha just baout all honda twin cam vtec's are better than any of 4ag's

[Ricks15]

Hands down the KA24E is the best. For me its ok because im still learning the physics fo my car. But other choices the 350 small block is the best in america it is a awsome and reliable-powerfull motor and if you break the Sheeeet out of it parts are so very dirt cheap.

[sepulchral]

a b16

in a civic

so unique

[wootwoot]

carburators are just gross and inefficent to me. With standalone you dont have to deal with any of the stock wiring trash and it not fitting the chassis properly. Then you can dial it in and have it fine tuned, more hp with no real problems.

[G_Fish240]

Originally Posted by drftwerks

haha just baout all honda twin cam vtec's are better than any of 4ag's

Blacktop 20v with megasquirt will own a B16, also I think my GZE is a little better then a B16

[MakotoS13]

why the hell are we talking about honda motors if he wants to discuss REAL power?

with a STOCK LS1 you can own anybody you want and still get like 28mpg. i dont see the complication here.

[91CRXsiR]

eh GZE has some balls but its NOT NA , B16A wins hahah

[G_Fish240]

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

why the hell are we talking about honda motors if he wants to discuss REAL power?

with a STOCK LS1 you can own anybody you want and still get like 28mpg. i dont see the complication here.

I agree with you, for once......

[BlackZenkiS14]

My vote goes with the 20V 4age. Even the NA 3Sge in the altezza is a great motor. But the Honda K20 is a great motor also, to bad it never came RWD!

[240coupe]

IMO i say go with the F22C (02-up s2000 motor) or C32A (NSX motor). And B16a's suck a$$. Since you'll are talkin about honda motors i thought id add something as well. Get a ls/vtec or b20/vtec for cheap, reliable power.

Gus

[tryiian]

hey thread starter guy, if you`re still here... you needa come over here where we all think like you, or at least in a vane similar enough to not bash you over ... everything.

btw, "here" is http://www.club240.com/forums/forumd...?s=&forumid=11
Devious, wikd, and vinnie are the most devoted, and craziest, NA KA builders i`ve ever heard of.
they never cease to teach me stuff that iKeep in mind for when iGet around to building my KA.

P.S.
for anyone that`s lookin for a reason (personal, which doesn`t equal popular) to *not* turbo for power. My situation is that what iWant is response, through a very usable (i.e. smooth) torque/power band. sheer numbers, drag, street, etc don`t interest me because iMostly drive short tracks (like autox and gymkhana) where the best time comes mostly from suspension setups (and of course, driving), and the highest power car tends to come in the middle of the rankings. The situation iUse most often to describe what i`m talkin about to people is simply to have steady state cornering, with good pickup from down low(how well does a stock (or less) CR car pickup off boost, say from 2500 compared to the same engine in boost, or a high comp engine?), and a smooth transition into the powerband, rather than the sort of jump in power, and resulting traction loss, the turbo spooling can cause.

It is possible (the rotary guys are great at this) to have such tender control and quick reaction that you can feather the car on your spool point, with the spool happening slowly and controllably, but it`s a very complicated (and unnecessary, imo) practice that often ruins great runs where a different setup could put all their thrust into the exit sooner. From here you oughta be able to understand why a decently tuned (as in i/h/e, ecu, and some headwork and/or sohc pistons) KA, costing slightly less (even if in personal experience it goes over, it`s worth it for me) than an sr would be very capable of turning a faster time than the more powerful, but less sensitive in responsive turbo equipped car. This of course assumes a fairly techinical low speed course, but that sort of thing is where iHave all my fun. So that`s my story. iWant some good tq and power in the offboost revv range with a smooth curve between 2 and 4, characteristics i`ve never seen from a turbo. I`ll admit i`ve thought iCould hook myself up a power system, where the turbo spools up above 4 or 5, for maximizing those straights. Haven`t researched turbo details enough yet, though.

[DriftSpecial180]

Tryiian, i am there. My threads at the top too, Best N/A engine. I spend a good deal of time over there, i guess because help is abundant.

Dang, but zilvia has lots of smilies....

[91CRXsiR]

B20 VTEC isn't even a real motor so doesnt count and the 20V isn't that great its not like the one Takumi has in his 86 hahah B16A is the king cuz it came out 1st and set the standard for the rest.. [actually the NSX motor came out 1st but lets forget about that for a sec]

[240coupe]

What do you mean B20/VTEC isnt a real motor? If you mean coming from the factory then you are correct, but in other terms it is a real motor because my friend built one and put it in his hatch. Plus if a b20/vtec isnt a real motor then neither is an ls/vtec. So please explain what you meant when you said that. Thanks

Gus

[Phlip]

Why should he have to explain yourself when you just did?

[240coupe]

Im confused now.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by 240coupe

What do you mean B20/VTEC isnt a real motor? If you mean coming from the factory then you are correct, but in other terms it is a real motor because my friend built one and put it in his hatch. Plus if a b20/vtec isnt a real motor then neither is an ls/vtec. So please explain what you meant when you said that. Thanks

Gus

Your question was underlined, your answer was bold... Still confused?

[240coupe]

OK gotcha. I wasnt exactly sure what he meant when he said that.

Gus

[zeek]

LS2 bitches.... 400hp nuff said..

[infinitexsound]

ls1 hmm nice still wouldnt do it...

[drftwerks]

Originally Posted by G_Fish240

Blacktop 20v with megasquirt will own a B16, also I think my GZE is a little better then a B16

a crx w/ healthy B16 will still pull on a corolla w/ 20V BT