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xagna · 10-02-2005, 05:56 PM

I am thinking about getting a HICAS steering rack because I hate the numb steering feel and late response. I read threads about HICAS and HICAS steering rack eliminates the late response of steering input.

My question is how will this affect drifting? Will HICAS steering rack give me less steering angle? Even with aftermarket tie rod?

wootwoot · 10-02-2005, 06:00 PM

The steering angle will be the same you just dont have to turn the wheel as many times to get to full lock.

SochBAT · 10-02-2005, 07:44 PM

You're crazy! HICAS steering steers all 4 wheels at the same time while the stock rack steers the 2 driving wheels!

Wouldn't you only want the fronts steering for more steering response?

*HINT*

PROJECTRB240SX · 10-02-2005, 08:08 PM

The HICAS front rack is different than the stock rack... thats what he is getting at not that he wants to know if 4 wheel steering gives more angle/response.

Chernobyl · 10-02-2005, 11:01 PM

Not more angle, but you will get a quicker steering rack ratio with the HICAS rack. I've heard you can't even tell the difference, though.

xagna · 10-05-2005, 03:47 PM

No less angles too, right?
Some one was telling me that with HICAS steering rack (I am not meaning the whole 4 wheel system

) I would get less angles, even with aftermarket tie rods and spacers...

A Spec Products · 10-05-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xagna

No less angles too, right?
Some one was telling me that with HICAS steering rack (I am not meaning the whole 4 wheel system

) I would get less angles, even with aftermarket tie rods and spacers...

i dont think you get more or less angle than a regular rack

like people saying, just takes less turns to lock

i have a hicas rack, feels like nothing special, and with aftermarket tie rods + spacer i get more than enough angle

theicecreamdan · 10-06-2005, 12:16 AM

if you combine the HICAS rack and have those nifty tie rod spacers, would that get rid of the "sluggishness" of the spacers? so you get more angle and almost stock response?

Flybert · 10-06-2005, 12:51 AM

Super HICAS rack is the shit. I feel an obvious difference over the stock rack. Super HICAS rack, 17's, 350mm steering wheel, good tie rod ends, and a solid steering spacer is the HOT SHIT setup. My steering feels very m3'ish. Super responsive with no play in the steering. You won't get more anlge from a HICAS rack. You get that from tie rod spacers.

SochBAT · 10-06-2005, 12:55 AM

NOOOOO, the BEANS AND CANDY!!!

I guess the cats out of the bag. But know that tie rods and ends increase bumpsteer, which can be close to eliminated with proper suspension tuning IIRC. There are always pros and cons to suspension parts. You just gotta see which outweighs what.

NiMiK · 10-06-2005, 01:31 PM

I have HICAS myself. Steering response is awesome. But I've been trying to drift with HICAS and its a little harder to recover from a drift when compared to a car with no HICAS. I have heard people drifting HICAS cars but does take alot of time, practice and patience.

black s13 · 10-06-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiMiK

I have HICAS myself. Steering response is awesome. But I've been trying to drift with HICAS and its a little harder to recover from a drift when compared to a car with no HICAS. I have heard people drifting HICAS cars but does take alot of time, practice and patience.

thanks for the info?

i have hicas rack, noticed quite a bit of difference, going from a blown rack to it might have changed my feelings though.

drift freaq · 10-06-2005, 06:17 PM

Have run Hicas rack , love Hicas rack. Anyone who says its harder to drift with a Hicas rack= novice.
Honestly, a quicker steering ratio has its advantages, in drifting and in road racing. Quicker response times means more immediate input. To me thats a big advantage. I know where my wheels are going immediately . Less time trying to correct for input lag.

10-02-2005, 05:56 PM	#1
xagna Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: ny Posts: 194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Drifting with HICAS steering rack. Do you get more steering angle? I am thinking about getting a HICAS steering rack because I hate the numb steering feel and late response. I read threads about HICAS and HICAS steering rack eliminates the late response of steering input. My question is how will this affect drifting? Will HICAS steering rack give me less steering angle? Even with aftermarket tie rod?

10-02-2005, 06:00 PM	#2
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 39 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The steering angle will be the same you just dont have to turn the wheel as many times to get to full lock. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

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PROJECTRB240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GILBERT, AZ Posts: 304 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The HICAS front rack is different than the stock rack... thats what he is getting at not that he wants to know if 4 wheel steering gives more angle/response. __________________ IF I AM TYPING IN CAPS (LIKE NOW) I AM SORRY BECAUSE I AM AT WORK (DATA ENTRY) AND I HAVE NO CAPS LOCK BUTTON AND NO WAY TO CHANGE MY UPPER CASE LETTERING. SORRY!

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drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	Have run Hicas rack , love Hicas rack. Anyone who says its harder to drift with a Hicas rack= novice. Honestly, a quicker steering ratio has its advantages, in drifting and in road racing. Quicker response times means more immediate input. To me thats a big advantage. I know where my wheels are going immediately . Less time trying to correct for input lag. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

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10-02-2005, 07:44 PM	#3
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 39 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	You're crazy! HICAS steering steers all 4 wheels at the same time while the stock rack steers the 2 driving wheels! Wouldn't you only want the fronts steering for more steering response? HINT

10-02-2005, 11:01 PM	#5
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 42 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Not more angle, but you will get a quicker steering rack ratio with the HICAS rack. I've heard you can't even tell the difference, though.

10-05-2005, 03:47 PM	#6
xagna Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: ny Posts: 194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No less angles too, right? Some one was telling me that with HICAS steering rack (I am not meaning the whole 4 wheel system ) I would get less angles, even with aftermarket tie rods and spacers...

10-06-2005, 12:51 AM	#9
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Super HICAS rack is the shit. I feel an obvious difference over the stock rack. Super HICAS rack, 17's, 350mm steering wheel, good tie rod ends, and a solid steering spacer is the HOT SHIT setup. My steering feels very m3'ish. Super responsive with no play in the steering. You won't get more anlge from a HICAS rack. You get that from tie rod spacers.

10-06-2005, 12:55 AM	#10
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 39 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	NOOOOO, the BEANS AND CANDY!!! I guess the cats out of the bag. But know that tie rods and ends increase bumpsteer, which can be close to eliminated with proper suspension tuning IIRC. There are always pros and cons to suspension parts. You just gotta see which outweighs what.

10-06-2005, 01:31 PM	#11
NiMiK Join Date: May 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have HICAS myself. Steering response is awesome. But I've been trying to drift with HICAS and its a little harder to recover from a drift when compared to a car with no HICAS. I have heard people drifting HICAS cars but does take alot of time, practice and patience.