2012 Presidential Election Thread! Let's kick it off early!

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Agreeed!

And to add...Romney should have never challenged Obama on Libya.

He also tore his own ass by setting up the "47%" comment by trying to make himself the victim.

[1 88 U]

This sums up the republican response to this debate.

[Phlip]

My wife and I both had a hearty laugh when, after being questioned about gun violence, Romney prattled on about how two-parent households would relieve the culture of violence in America.

Before Romney had finished his disjointed response, I had double-checked

• Virginia Tech
• Columbine
• DC Beltway Sniper
• Aurora Theater

ALL two-parent households

And I CAN'T be the only one bothered by the fact that Romney NEVER actually answered a question, so much as he acknowledged the question, and then went into "blame Obama" mode.

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by Phlip

My wife and I both had a hearty laugh when, after being questioned about gun violence, Romney prattled on about how two-parent households would relieve the culture of violence in America.

Before Romney had finished his disjointed response, I had double-checked

• Virginia Tech
• Columbine
• DC Beltway Sniper
• Aurora Theater

ALL two-parent households

And I CAN'T be the only one bothered by the fact that Romney NEVER actually answered a question, so much as he acknowledged the question, and then went into "blame Obama" mode.

I'm surprised he didn't goto the simple answer to the question. There should be no handgun violence in chicago because they've banned handguns. All the president and congress can do is write laws. Well they banned guns and did that solve the problem?

Obama starts talking about an assault weapons ban which didn't work, a ban on "cheap" hand guns, and better gun control. Please. The only way to fix inner city violence is promote values so they don't storm around and shoot each other like tribal gangs in kenya.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by TheWolf

so they don't storm around and shoot each other like tribal gangs in kenya.

Gotta love that racism/stereotypes.

Kenya (and the rest of Africa) is not filled with heathens running around shooting one another, you realize the Europeans took that continent back hundreds of years when they colonized it, yes?

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Gotta love that racism/stereotypes.

Kenya (and the rest of Africa) is not filled with heathens running around shooting one another, you realize the Europeans took that continent back hundreds of years when they colonized it, yes?

It's not a sterotype if it's in google maps.

Getting a gun in Chicago quick and easy - Chicago Sun-Times

Note 5% of crimes in chicago are done with rifles so the FIRST thing we need to fix this is to outlaw 4 position stocks on AR-15's. Never mind that it's almost impossible to legally own a hand gun in chicago.


As to "colonialism" taking the continent back 100 years. That's crap. Everyone on this earth started out with the same resources. No civilization has ever come out of africa. Stable water, stable food, stable population growth. Not one country. Even Obama's half brother says "Maybe kenya should have let the whites stay another 30 years, look how well south africa is doing".

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by TheWolf

It's not a sterotype if it's in google maps.

Getting a gun in Chicago quick and easy - Chicago Sun-Times

Note 5% of crimes in chicago are done with rifles so the FIRST thing we need to fix this is to outlaw 4 position stocks on AR-15's. Never mind that it's almost impossible to legally own a hand gun in chicago.


As to "colonialism" taking the continent back 100 years. That's crap. Everyone on this earth started out with the same resources. No civilization has ever come out of africa. Stable water, stable food, stable population growth. Not one country. Even Obama's half brother says "Maybe kenya should have let the whites stay another 30 years, look how well south africa is doing".

I will not begin to dignify that with a response. I'm disgusted. I don't know if the educational system has failed you or if you have failed your country.

EDIT: Just noticed you're from Florida...it all makes sense.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

He also tore his own ass by setting up the "47%" comment by trying to make himself the victim.

The 47% comment is absolutely true though.

Someone asked the other day if I was going to watch the debate, to their shock I said "Why?"

Honestly, are any of these debates going to swing anyone in here? It's just ammo for us to grasp on to and beat down our equally unmoving rivals with.

The campaign really is just a dog and pony show for the 5% who either have there heads so far up there asses they don't know who is president or they simply can't shit or get off the pot.

These guys are also the same tools that are going to vote because of a funny music video, John Stewart or some awesome posters. They are not truly invested with an expectation of an out come that will personally impact them.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The 47% comment is absolutely true though.

Yeah, it is absolutely true in that it shows that Romney gives not a damn about a large portion of the constituents he hopes to preside over. He apparently cares not about the elderly and disabled, vets, and retirees who happen make up a large portion of that "47%" he named and then insulted. In fact, who cares about them anyway, let them die off.

And would it kill him to directly answer ANY question he was asked? Every single time he would offer a couple of empty words, then it became not what he would ACTUALLY do, but railing on the president.

"Lady, just let me put the head in. There's no way you can get pregnant like that. Trust me, I'm a doctor!" is pretty much what I hear when Romney speaks in non-specifics about what he will do to make better all that he complains about. All we have to do is trust him and know that he has this grand plan to unveil after he is elected.
The problem is that nothing he is saying adds up or makes good enough sense, and I am not willing to put my vote behind the guy. I would sooner not vote at all.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Before Romney had finished his disjointed response, I had double-checked

• Virginia Tech
• Columbine
• DC Beltway Sniper
• Aurora Theater

ALL two-parent households.

So you are saying that two parents can cure mental illness?

You listed 3 extreme examples but left out the thousands of daily street crime activities, domestic violence and other crimes that all seem to permeate from broken homes and the underclasses.

A quick search of criminal statistics will show the majority of inmates come from single mother homes.

I suggest you read the book "Life without Father" by David Popeno

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Gotta love that racism/stereotypes.

Kenya (and the rest of Africa) is not filled with heathens running around shooting one another, you realize the Europeans took that continent back hundreds of years when they colonized it, yes?

Do tell...

I think we are all aware of the fact there are wealthy costal cities across the continent, but I'm curious to what modern wonder Africa was before the colonial age in the 18th century.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Do tell...

I think we are all aware of the fact there are wealthy costal cities across the continent, but I'm curious to what modern wonder Africa was before the colonial age in the 18th century.

I know you are not serious about educating yourself on this subject but this book is a great start.

The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality:Amazon:Books

[JimCrom]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Do tell...

I think we are all aware of the fact there are wealthy costal cities across the continent, but I'm curious to what modern wonder Africa was before the colonial age in the 18th century.

Proper European colonization of Africa began in the 19th century. European dealing in Africa - trading European cloth for gold, spices, and eventually slaves - began well before Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

There is a pretty sizable debate on this very subject. One book that has generated a lot of discussion is:

How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

Another book is:

Africa and Africans in the Making of the Atlantic World by John Thornton

Both of these books deal with (sub-Saharan) Africa before the arrival of European traders and slavers and the impact that they eventually had on African community, family, demographics, and government.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by JimCrom

Proper European colonization of Africa began in the 19th century. European dealing in Africa - trading European cloth for gold, spices, and eventually slaves - began well before Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

There is a pretty sizable debate on this very subject. One book that has generated a lot of discussion is:

How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

Another book is:

Africa and Africans in the Making of the Atlantic World by John Thornton

Both of these books deal with (sub-Saharan) Africa before the arrival of European traders and slavers and the impact that they eventually had on African community, family, demographics, and government.

Thanks. I was trying to think of "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney but African Origins came out. People should read both books in conjunction though.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Yeah, it is absolutely true in that it shows that Romney gives not a damn about a large portion of the constituents he hopes to preside over. He apparently cares not about the elderly and disabled, vets, and retirees who happen make up a large portion of that "47%" he named and then insulted. In fact, who cares about them anyway, let them die off.

Does Obama care about the 47% on the other side of the aisle?

The Servicemen and women, men of god? The hardworking fathers that labor tirelessly to provide for their families? The entrepreneurs and inventors that have risked there lively hoods? The people that give relentlessly without ever asking for something in return? Those that believe English is the language of our country and national anthem?

What happened to the great words that once inspired a nation to usher in a new era of technology, industry and success?

"Ask not what country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"

Or

"...the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God"



Anymore I think the Soviets won.
Sure they filed bankruptcy, had to reorganize, shed some dead weight, rename, rebrand...but they won.

The God hating, State worshiping values have permeated into our western civilization - no longer identifying oneself as a communist or socialist is seen as unsavory, let alone an outright crime...

Democrats sure have come a long way in a 150 years.... From Slavery to starting a civil war, then dragging us into two World Wars, creating not only the ever ineffective League of Nations but also the UN... oh lets not for get the KKK and Jim-Crow laws...or Vietnam... Iran's meltdown... NAFTA


Huh, I wonder what they'll drag us into in the next 150 years...

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Anymore I think the Soviets won.
Sure they filed bankruptcy, had to reorganize, shed some dead weight, rename, rebrand...but they won.

The God hating, State worshiping values have permeated into our western civilization - no longer identifying oneself as a communist or socialist is seen as unsavory, let alone an outright crime...

Pussy Riot would argue differently about Russia. And no shit, we live in a free country you racist fascist idiot

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I know you are not serious about educating yourself on this subject but this book is a great start.

The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality:Amazon:Books

So your support of the notion that colonial Europe destroyed a modern civilized Africa is a book on the theory that ancient Egyptians were "black"?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Pussy Riot would argue differently about Russia. And no shit, we live in a free country you racist fascist idiot

So PussyRiot believes Russia has changed and cast off its true Soviet values?

I have no sympathy for them. Starting a "protest" butt naked in a church is unacceptable, even in 'merica. Try that in a Saudi Mosque and see how well that flys? Got kids to feed? Shouldn't be out protesting then, huh? Sounds more like a publicity stunt gone wrong.

Fascists were actually left wing socialists enforcing their "change" upon the world. Hitler would have loved to have some drones so he could just kill any German Citizen and their 12 year old son he wanted too for speaking out against him....

Racist? Please do tell...

I'm glad your always so civil to jump to name calling and unsubstantiated personnel insults.

I guess I hit a raw nerve, God, what would McCarthy say about those Mao posters in your college dorm.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

So PussyRiot believes Russia has changed and cast off its true Soviet values?

I have no sympathy for them. Starting a "protest" butt naked in a church is unacceptable, even in 'merica. Try that in a Saudi Mosque and see how well that flys? Got kids to feed? Shouldn't be out protesting then, huh? Sounds more like a publicity stunt gone wrong.

Fascists were actually left wing socialists enforcing their "change" upon the world. Hitler would have loved to have some drones so he could just kill any German Citizen and their 12 year old son he wanted too for speaking out against him....

Racist? Please do tell...

I'm glad your always so civil to jump to name calling and unsubstantiated personnel insults.

I guess I hit a raw nerve, God, what would McCarthy say about those Mao posters in your college dorm.

No sympathy for a feminist rock band protesting against the Putin administration and Russian Orthodox Church and getting 2 years in a harsh prison for political activism?

You are just proving my case. Lets add sexist to that list.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

No sympathy for a feminist rock band protesting against the Putin administration and Russian Orthodox Church and getting 2 years in a harsh prison for political activism?

You are just proving my case. Lets add sexist to that list.

Sexist would imply had they been males I'd be outraged and because they are not, I am not.

I could careless. They where not convicted because of their beliefs, but because of their actions. Even in America you can't storm into the middle of a church ceremony, butt-naked and start screaming "Fuck Bush, Al Gore Won!!! Long live Global Warming! "

Why should anyone be surprised or feel bad? You live in a repressive country, do something stupid for attention and are....OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!


*Wait for it*


REPRESSED!!!??!!



If they had been giving lectures at a university, writing articles in the newspaper, posting a blog - okay, yeah, it'd be bullshit. But running around naked at church and making a scene is just stupid and asking for the wrath of the conservative powers at be.

[1 88 U]

Please go on... You're doing a great job. Do you have anything offensive to say about Jews so we can add anti-semite? You are one "Jew bankers" conspiracy comment away for storm fronter terratory.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Please go on... You're doing a great job. Do you have anything offensive to say about Jews so we can add anti-semite? You are one "Jew bankers" conspiracy comment away for storm fronter terratory.

So your plan is to just keep throwing out insults and personnel attacks until something sticks?

You'd do well in politics, or grammar school.

[1 88 U]

You suggested that Africans were no better off before European colonialism. Racist.

You advocated for Mcarthy like prosecution of free speech. Facist.

You insulted feminist civil disobidiance and are unsympathetic to their unjust incarceration. Sexist

You are a anti-Semite comment away from a neo-Nazi political philosophy. Come on, I know you have it in you.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

You suggested that Africans were no better off before European colonialism. Racist.

You advocated for Mcarthy like prosecution of free speech. Facist.

You insulted feminist civil disobidiance and are unsympathetic to their unjust incarceration. Sexist

You are a anti-Semite comment away from a neo-Nazi political philosophy. Come on, I know you have it in you.

I don't normally like to butt in to political bullshit, but did you even bother to read his responses?

Racist would be him saying he doesn't like Africans because of their race. He did not.
Sexist would be him saying he would support their acts if if they were males. He did not.

I really don't care to go back and look at the other parts that you brought up, but just from what I've read on this page it just seems you're making shit up to make him look bad and invalidate his arguments.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

You suggested that Africans were no better off before European colonialism. Racist.

Clearly you don't know what the "ists" mean.

"Better off" and "modern civilization" are two different things. Regardless only if I had said "because they are not white is why it sucks" would it be racist.

It's not racist to state "most of the world failed to keep pace with European development post 1500 - what resulted was an economically, militarily powerful Europe capable of enforcing its will on other less developed regions"

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

You advocated for Mcarthy like prosecution of free speech. Facist.

Sorry but communism goes against our very culture, way of life and existence. Joining the Communist party is not any more a "matter of free speech" than joining Al Qaeda. Watch go join Al Qaeda and start preaching about Shira law and see how long before Obama shoves a hellfire missile up your ass.

Go read up on Fascism, I don't think you have the slightest clue what it's is other than "omg people that tell you what to do!"

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

You insulted feminist civil disobidiance and are unsympathetic to their unjust incarceration. Sexist

Are you stupid? This has been addressed. Do you know what "sexist" even means? I think Justin Beiber's music sucks... Must make me a racist, right?

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

You are a anti-Semite comment away from a neo-Nazi political philosophy. Come on, I know you have it in you.

I think you are the anti-Semite. At no period in this entire thread have Jews been mentioned and here you are now screaming lunacies about Nazis and Jewish bankers? You are just dribbling inflammatory rhetoric and insults.

I once again implore you to review you "ist" insults and find real examples. At no point were any statements made related to the race, religion or genders of people as cause, reasons or justifications for events.

Grow up already

[gbaby2089]

I haven't seen any racism, fascism, sexism out of Corbic.

I'm sure Corbic will agree that we haven't agreed on much in this thread, but I'd say we've all been quite civil in this discussion. This is honestly one of the best political discussion threads I've ever seen on a car forum.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I haven't seen any racism, fascism, sexism out of Corbic.

I'm sure Corbic will agree that we haven't agreed on much in this thread, but I'd say we've all been quite civil in this discussion. This is honestly one of the best political discussion threads I've ever seen on a car forum.

Well thank you.

I agree as well on your second point. I'm surprised this didn't turn into a "meme" thread long ago.


Alas, Godwin still holds true....damn Nazis.

[Phlip]

Godwin’s Law is absolute, even in the most civil of discourses. This one has gotten testy at times, but surprisingly has resisted going to shit.
I am not one to go saying names, but I think we can all thank our lucky stars that that Origin guy hasn’t been around lately

[gbaby2089]

Highway Riding, a couple things:

What will Romney do to inspire consumer confidence?
What's wrong with health care, I feel like you are misinterpreting the health care plan put forward by the Dems.

And may I just say this:

Romney said he'd get the country energy independent in 8 years.

If any of y'all can prove to me its even remotely possible, I'll throw an e-high five your way.

[Highway Riding]

Specifically by modifying tax codes and putting together a really restructured plan instead of extending the Bush era tax cuts which just prolongs the inevitable as opposed to either making them permanent or gone all together. Now as for the health plan itself, it's a noble and great thing to have healthcare for all. But the means by which it is imposed doesn't make it desirable to have a large company or in our case to expand. 6 years ago and this wouldn't be an issue at all. Now this looking at this from a Jobs perspective. I just happen to work in a industry which has been dramatically effected by the lack of overall economic growth, consumer confidence, general uncertainty. Now energy is another topic which i am not that knowledgeable.