The Future Automotive Thread

[Matej]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Everybody is saying how tiny the IDx is, but it still looks like 'crossover' next to the 510.
At least the shifter is in the center console and not behind the steering wheel, which is a good sign. It also sounds nice, as far as I can tell.

[drift freaq]

notice the roofline at the same height as the lowered 510


front shot freeflow

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Matej

Everybody is saying how tiny the IDx is, but it still looks like 'crossover' next to the 510.
At least the shifter is in the center console and not behind the steering wheel, which is a good sign.

Interesting you say that as the roofline on the Nismo was flush with the roofline on the lowered 510 which is what I tried to show in a few pics. Of course the car has a little bit taller belt line it was really amazing how compact it was. The trunk was at the same height as my dropped 98 M3 as well. Its not easy to completely judge the car in pics. I tried to do it justice in that sense. I could totally see owning it though.

It is just so aggressive its cool.

Oh and outside of the flared arch wheel wheels its the same width as a 510. Its basically just as short, same height and same length roughly'. It just has a taller beltline like I said.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Interesting you say that as the roofline on the Nismo was flush with the roofline on the lowered 510 which is what I tried to show in a few pics.

Noticed that the overall height was about the same, I was mainly refering to the window to body height proportions. But I guess that is how all new cars are today. So far, my favorite part was the sound when it revved up in the video.

[drift freaq]

Pre emptive answers. No they would not let us look under the hood. The underside was completely shielded. We were informed the current engine powering it is not the production engine. It was hinted the Juke Nismo R engine massaged out to around 230HP is the target. I.E. yes it will be a Turbo engine.

[driftheart]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

That's been knows since day 1 in Tokyo.

I honestly didn't even know that, I haven't been paying attention, but I was more commenting on what dorkidori said about almost sounding like a manual tranny.

[drift freaq]

Oh and I talked at length with a Japanese guy from Nissan Japan for a few minutes and it seemed Nissan Japan is quite aware of the fan base more so than Nissan NA lets on too.
they seemed quite keen to keep the cars weight down. He is also indicated there is a mindset at Nissan now to reestablish the Sports car/sporty car image the company once had. He said they were definitely struggling with making the Z smaller and lighter and of course realizing it had gone upstream in both weight and power and size. It was an interesting conversation to say the least and they seemed quite keen on the concept.

[dorkidori_s13]

did you mention about the silvia lineage/heritage? was there any talk about the suspension setup in the car? did you ask about a manual tranny?

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

did you mention about the silvia lineage/heritage? was there any talk about the suspension setup in the car? did you ask about a manual tranny?

No word on trans. I did mention heritage and it seemed that while they were completely aware of the drift type scene crowd is also call street fighter crowd in Japan. They seemed to want to try and roll the Silvia/510 heritage into this.

I also think by the conversation that they do feel the Z needs to cover the original Z heritage and the 180sx heritage due to the extreme popularity of the 180sx in Japan. Though as I mentioned there is a struggle going on with where the z is now vs where it came from.
I.E. there seems to be two camps in that department.

One of the guys from Nissan NA was the one that commented about the Nismo Juke R engine being the most likely engine.

I got there around 1:30 and missed some of the event stuff though I did get a IDX T shirt!!! Though as far as suspension goes I am not the least bit worried as Nissan has always pursued a IRS type suspension in these type of Vehicles.

[exitspeed]

Cool shit. This thing is happening.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

It is just so aggressive its cool.

That's it exactly. It isn't the prettiest car and it isn't trying to be. The sheer level of aggression from the concept just completely belies its diminutive size. Like 510+current Camaro= Nismo IDX.

Good work, man. You were the right guy for the job.

Originally Posted by drift freaq

It was hinted the Juke Nismo R engine massaged out to around 230HP is the target. I.E. yes it will be a Turbo engine.

Oh this keeps getting better and better. Initial speculation guessed that the 197hp 1.6t Juke R engine would be used. But this recent hint seems closer to the 240hp 1.8t engine in the this year's Nismo Sentra concept...

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I also think by the conversation that they do feel the Z needs to cover the original Z heritage and the 180sx heritage due to the extreme popularity of the 180sx in Japan. Though as I mentioned there is a struggle going on with where the z is now vs where it came from.
I.E. there seems to be two camps in that department.

I wanna see if I'm reading between the lines correctly here... Are they considering spiritually merging the Z and 180sx lines/ideologies?!? OMG I hope so. Makes a lot of sense for all of us fastback lovers...

I just noticed that the white trim surrounding the Nismo IDX's headlights wasn't just garnish... Its all LED lighting. Nice.

Get pics of some of the other cars in attendance? I see some more old school cool in the background...

[Matej]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I also think by the conversation that they do feel the Z needs to cover the original Z heritage and the 180sx heritage due to the extreme popularity of the 180sx in Japan.

Glad to hear they are aware that the 180SX was the coolest S-chassis car. Who cares about the Silvia.
I have wondered how things would have been if they decided to continue the 180SX nameplate alongside the Silvia. Perhaps it would have survived past the S15.

[dorkidori_s13]

keep one major fact in mind about the 180sx, it was produced for 11 years, never had ANY selling issues and is considered one of the most iconic cars of the 1990s, period. especially in its home land. the drive behind building and restoring the 180sx in japan has never stopped. theyre STILL heavily scattered thru the rows of the Tokyo Auto Salon each year, they STILL have new parts being developed (performance or aestheic) and they STILL look amazing to this day, even in stock form (outside of the 19" ride height typical of 1990s cars). outside of the supra, RX7, integra and the GTRs, there are very few cars from the 90s that still turn heads the way a well built 180sx/240sx hatchback does.

im glad that nissan is acknowledging the s-chassis, more so the 180sx heritage. im really excited to see the more "production ready" version of the IDx as well as the new Z35/V37 when they bow later this year.

[0100]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

they seemed quite keen to keep the cars weight down.

Oh man I hope so! The FRS at 2800lbs is really too much for it's size. I would love to see Nissan out do Toyota.

Go Nissan!!

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

That's it exactly. It isn't the prettiest car and it isn't trying to be. The sheer level of aggression from the concept just completely belies its diminutive size. Like 510+current Camaro= Nismo IDX.

Good work, man. You were the right guy for the job.

Oh this keeps getting better and better. Initial speculation guessed that the 197hp 1.6t Juke R engine would be used. But this recent hint seems closer to the 240hp 1.8t engine in the this year's Nismo Sentra concept...

I wanna see if I'm reading between the lines correctly here... Are they considering spiritually merging the Z and 180sx lines/ideologies?!? OMG I hope so. Makes a lot of sense for all of us fastback lovers...

I just noticed that the white trim surrounding the Nismo IDX's headlights wasn't just garnish... Its all LED lighting. Nice.

Get pics of some of the other cars in attendance? I see some more old school cool in the background...

there were few older Z's like a couple of 240Z's and 510's there was also a very clean 710. But honestly I have seen cleaner examples that I have posted here in the past from the Japanese classic car show in Long Beach which happens every September. So ya I did not take any pics of those. There were actually some Cobra coupes there which I think a took few quick shots of one before the guy drove off. Before Pete Brock started the BRE team of Z's and 510's I believe he raced Cobra coupes for Carroll Shelby'. There was also a real GT40 Not a Ford GT replicar.

[kingkilburn]

I just wanted to point out that the 180SX was essentially the new Z while the 300ZX was going off in a new direction. The 180SX is a literal continuation of the design and engineering of the 240Z. I think Nissan was fully aware of this when the follow up for the 300ZX was being tested in a modified S14 chassis instead of a Z32.



Making the IDx the Silvia/510 and taking all the ZX out of the Z while merging it back into what the 180SX was(as an automotive meme of sorts) is in my opinion the best thing Nissan could be doing for itself from a heritage and image stand point.

[Fries]

Wow, the rollling video and new pictures are so awesome. With all the "futuristic" designs coming out recently I think the IDx really doesn't push the envelope that much. Its a great looking car and I'm super stoked for it.

Pretty happy I waited on forking the cash over for a FRS/BRZ. The IDx could be a super fun car assuming it rocks the turbo and a manual transmission.

Nissan please do something cool.

[AFSil80]

Originally Posted by Fries

Wow, the rollling video and new pictures are so awesome. With all the "futuristic" designs coming out recently I think the IDx really doesn't push the envelope that much. Its a great looking car and I'm super stoked for it.

Pretty happy I waited on forking the cash over for a FRS/BRZ. The IDx could be a super fun car assuming it rocks the turbo and a manual transmission.

Nissan please do something cool.

My sentiments exactly. This car is quickly growing on me.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I just wanted to point out that the 180SX was essentially the new Z while the 300ZX was going off in a new direction. The 180SX is a literal continuation of the design and engineering of the 240Z. I think Nissan was fully aware of this when the follow up for the 300ZX was being tested in a modified S14 chassis instead of a Z32.



Making the IDx the Silvia/510 and taking all the ZX out of the Z while merging it back into what the 180SX was(as an automotive meme of sorts) is in my opinion the best thing Nissan could be doing for itself from a heritage and image stand point.

I'm glad you said that. I don't know how true it actually is, but I've always felt that the S13 hatch was a more natural evolution from the Z31 than the Z32 was...

I love the idea of combining the Z with the 180sx again. But I have to ask: was the Z31 a competitive seller like the 180sx or Z32 were? I always had the impression it was the least liked Z...

[shift_SRDETuser]

Having owned almost every sports car Nissan, Subaru and Toyota has made at some point, I would be excited to own this car. My first car I ever bought on my own was a 1993 red Nissan NX2000 and I would have to say that I loved that car.

I am currently resto fixing an 87 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-r and with no cool retro Japan cars out at the moment, I would be there with a deposit tomorrow if they have pre- ordering available. From past experience with Nissan though, it will be a see it to believe it expedition.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I'm glad you said that. I don't know how true it actually is, but I've always felt that the S13 hatch was a more natural evolution from the Z31 than the Z32 was...

I love the idea of combining the Z with the 180sx again. But I have to ask: was the Z31 a competitive seller like the 180sx or Z32 were? I always had the impression it was the least liked Z...

Z31' s did sell decently partly because they were successfully campaigned in motorsports by the likes of Steve Millen, Paul Newman etc.. Nissan NA was still backing factory teams at that point.
The biggest issue with the Z and 180sx is outside of early base model Z's in Japan the Z has always been a 6 cylinder and the Gazelle/18osx was a 4 cylinder though in the U.S the Gazelle( 200sx fastback vs the coupe version aka Silvia ) did come with a V6 option in the late 80's
So in a sense blending the two could be possible. Plus I always felt the engine bay of the 180sx was always designed with the possibility of dropping the V6 in it.

Again I must this was conversation with one person from NIssan Japan. I also felt that the 180sx had a strong tie to the 240Z even though at the same time it was the evolution of the Gazelle.
I think much like the original 240Z it caught Nissan off guard. While they were excited about introducing the 240Z in 1970 at the same time they were quite fearful it would not sell. So much so that they discontinued the Fairlady 2000 Roadster. Of course they probably still could have sold the roadster alongside the Z. As truthfully most Roadster fans just love Roadsters and there would not be a roadster Z for years to come.
Like the 240Z the 180sx sales in Japan were astronomical to expectations. The previous reiterations of Gazelle/Silvia/200sx was selling dismally at that point.
Ah well were am I going with this? lol Two things that I should point out. Nissan thought enough of this whole concept to put two actually somewhat drivable rolling platforms of it together. Nissan NA thought enough of it to pursued Nissan Japan to let them roll them around SoCal in a dog and pony show that seems to have set the car enthusiast world on fire.

These are strong indications that Nissan is taking this concept very seriously. Think about the other concepts they have rolled out in the last few years. The Juke was one of the few that actually wound up being built and truthfully did not have as much publicity or pomp around it.
After all of this Nissan Japan would be crazy not to build these cars. My bet is strongly on the side of this car is actually happening along with a smaller Z coming out as well.
If they do a smaller lighter Z it would definitely satisfy the 180sx stalwarts as the like I have said, king has said and SImmode has felt the 180sx and the 240Z do share a very close kinship even if the average joe in the us does not make the connect from a visual standpoint.
Oh and ya part of me wants to build a Kouki 180 just to have. lol

[jamanrr]

Nissan use to have some excellent cars and trucks. IMO 1992-1994 was the peak of their sporty image and "Built for the Human Race" campaign.

They had the

300zx z32s
s14s 240sxs came in coupes, hatches and a convert
B13 Nx2000 and the SER sentra
hardbody 4x4 pickups and the 4 door SC Maxima

over the past 20 years they have a lost a lot in terms of overall perception of a car company that use to make such premier niche cars. The Z concept and the 350z which was delivered were two different things, the 370z while a nice ride is not what enthusiasts were expecting when the Z concept car dropped. I think it should be a 6 cylinder and the in line 6 probably could not be done any longer and still pass emissions and safety regs but in the spirit of the Z car it should have had less weight and a small displacement engine. The concept Z had a KA in it and I bet it was 100 times more fun than the 350z that went into production.

I realize it is 2014 and not 1993 any longer and you tend to be more fond of the cars of your youth but Nissan should seriously look into their complete product line if they want to bring loyal enthusiast customers back to their brand. They need a full line again well thought out with concept to production being months not years. Of course, their bean counters will probably be like this is why we almost went bankrupt in the late 90s which is why they are parading these cars around for a business plan justification.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

Nissan use to have some excellent cars and trucks. IMO 1992-1994 was the peak of their sporty image and "Built for the Human Race" campaign.

They had the

300zx z32s
s14s 240sxs came in coupes, hatches and a convert
B13 Nx2000 and the SER sentra
hardbody 4x4 pickups and the 4 door SC Maxima

over the past 20 years they have a lost a lot in terms of overall perception of a car company that use to make such premier niche cars. The Z concept and the 350z which was delivered were two different things, the 370z while a nice ride is not what enthusiasts were expecting when the Z concept car dropped. I think it should be a 6 cylinder and the in line 6 probably could not be done any longer and still pass emissions and safety regs but in the spirit of the Z car it should have had less weight and a small displacement engine. The concept Z had a KA in it and I bet it was 100 times more fun than the 350z that went into production.

I realize it is 2014 and not 1993 any longer and you tend to be more fond of the cars of your youth but Nissan should seriously look into their complete product line if they want to bring loyal enthusiast customers back to their brand. They need a full line again well thought out with concept to production being months not years. Of course, their bean counters will probably be like this is why we almost went bankrupt in the late 90s which is why they are parading these cars around for a business plan justification.

Some good points here but the reason they nearly went bankrupt in the 90's had to do with the amount of extensive engine platforms they had as well as cost of manufacturing to product pricing ratios . You say the 90's was the heyday because you were not around in the 70's when Nissan was building amazing cars that were laying the foundation for the 90's . No factory backed racing efforts in the 90's at the level of the 70's. Great ideas in the 90's but poorly marketed.
The inline 6 in the sense of the B was really 80s tech that had been massaged up in the 90's with the NEO engines. One could say the same about BMW inline 6's.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with VQ engines though people love to malign them in favor of RB's. Truth be ttold even Nismo embraced the 3 liter VQ in turbo form as bad ass engine. I see no people talking crap about the VR38 either which is a VQ based engine.
I should also point out that the concept 350 looked like dog poo to the one that actually came out. The public seemed to like the 350 as well as it sold quite well.
It was raced by privateers though there was no factory backing. Perhaps there should have been? I can pretty much bet there is a chance Nissan will take the IDX racing when it comes out.

370 just came out at the wrong time. It was 100lbs lighter than the 350 and it had more HP it was just really bad timing economically.
I am not saying it looked perfect either.It was on the right track but had miscues.

Oh and the s14 was never really a success either. S15's were killed because they were to costly to make vs retail pricing as was the S14. The production line that the Skyline and S chassis's both rolled off was antiquated by modern standards production line from the 80's that either needed extensive retooling or shut down and a modern one built. NIssan choose to shut the doors to cut costs. Seeing as most of the cars coming off that line were making stellar sales at the time and costing the company to much money.

This is exactly why the S chassis died and the old Skyline gave way to the modern Skyline' Z and GTR.
Also why you saw a gap in production of Z's and Skylines. The modern production line is responsible for both models I might add.

Oh and why are you even bringing trucks into this conversation? Nissan and Toyota have always done well with their truck lines.

Remember we are talking Sports cars here.

[jamanrr]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Some good points here but the reason they nearly went bankrupt in the 90's had to do with the amount of extensive engine platforms they had as well as cost of manufacturing to product pricing ratios . You say the 90's was the heyday because you were not around in the 70's when Nissan was building amazing cars that were laying the foundation for the 90's . No factory backed racing efforts in the 90's at the level of the 70's. Great ideas in the 90's but poorly marketed.
The inline 6 in the sense of the B was really 80s tech that had been massaged up in the 90's with the NEO engines. One could say the same about BMW inline 6's.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with VQ engines though people love to malign them in favor of RB's. Truth be ttold even Nismo embraced the 3 liter VQ in turbo form as bad ass engine. I see no people talking crap about the VR38 either which is a VQ based engine.
I should also point out that the concept 350 looked like dog poo to the one that actually came out. The public seemed to like the 350 as well as it sold quite well.
It was raced by privateers though there was no factory backing. Perhaps there should have been? I can pretty much bet there is a chance Nissan will take the IDX racing when it comes out.

370 just came out at the wrong time. It was 100lbs lighter than the 350 and it had more HP it was just really bad timing economically.
I am not saying it looked perfect either.It was on the right track but had miscues.

Oh and the s14 was never really a success either. S15's were killed because they were to costly to make vs retail pricing as was the S14. The production line that the Skyline and S chassis's both rolled off was antiquated by modern standards production line from the 80's that either needed extensive retooling or shut down and a modern one built. NIssan choose to shut the doors to cut costs. Seeing as most of the cars coming off that line were making stellar sales at the time and costing the company to much money.

This is exactly why the S chassis died and the old Skyline gave way to the modern Skyline' Z and GTR.
Also why you saw a gap in production of Z's and Skylines. The modern production line is responsible for both models I might add.

Oh and why are you even bringing trucks into this conversation? Nissan and Toyota have always done well with their truck lines.

Remember we are talking Sports cars here.

I was really into your arguments until you started touting the virtues of the VQ. Build a sr20det and then a VQ and tell me which one you would rather have? The z32 has very little engine bay space to make modifying a VQ an endeavor worth while. This reminds of the guy who put a 500 hp SR20det into his z32 and had something that would embarrass a lot of VQ Zs. My s14 sr20det with its GT2871r would also kill any 350 or 370 for that matter off the show room floor. The in line 6 cylinder was what a Fairlady Z was all about, Skylines also used the motor but they are the essential of what the soul of a Z car was about. I loved my NX2000 with its T top roof and a NA sr20 it was a stout little car over performing anything in its class.

All I was saying is that the success of Nissan had to do with a lot of factors and Nissan had a sport truck 4x4 racing team (do not know if it was factory) along with the BRE and/ or Newman for the cars. The iDx looks like it could be a possible contender but unless they do a turbo RWD manual sport coupe then they should not do it at all. Because it then becomes an also ran when you compare it to what Subaru and even Hyundai (which I hate by the way) are doing. Ask yourself why old Z cars, Skylines, and even 240sxs are selling for large amounts of money these days? You could buy a lot of new cars for what some of these 20-40 year old Nissan cars sell for. That says a lot about their heritage but little of that heritage lives on in their products of today. The GTR, rather get a Porsche and the 370z go get a Corvette. Lite, economical, sporty and affordable do not belong to Nissan now. The Renault crap has really eroded their brand.

If done right the IDx could be a shiny spot in a otherwise bland car company. I some how think they will screw this up.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I was really into your arguments until you started touting the virtues of the VQ. Build a sr20det and then a VQ and tell me which one you would rather have? The z32 has very little engine bay space to make modifying a VQ an endeavor worth while. This reminds of the guy who put a 500 hp SR20det into his z32 and had something that would embarrass a lot of VQ Zs.

What does the Z32 have to do with any VQ engine?

Certainly the VQ35de & Rev-up aren't much to brag about but not all VQ's are junk. VQ30DET & VQ35HR aren't jokes, IMO.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by jamanrr

I was really into your arguments until you started touting the virtues of the VQ. Build a sr20det and then a VQ and tell me which one you would rather have? The z32 has very little engine bay space to make modifying a VQ an endeavor worth while. This reminds of the guy who put a 500 hp SR20det into his z32 and had something that would embarrass a lot of VQ Zs. My s14 sr20det with its GT2871r would also kill any 350 or 370 for that matter off the show room floor. The in line 6 cylinder was what a Fairlady Z was all about, Skylines also used the motor but they are the essential of what the soul of a Z car was about. I loved my NX2000 with its T top roof and a NA sr20 it was a stout little car over performing anything in its class.

All I was saying is that the success of Nissan had to do with a lot of factors and Nissan had a sport truck 4x4 racing team (do not know if it was factory) along with the BRE and/ or Newman for the cars. The iDx looks like it could be a possible contender but unless they do a turbo RWD manual sport coupe then they should not do it at all. Because it then becomes an also ran when you compare it to what Subaru and even Hyundai (which I hate by the way) are doing. Ask yourself why old Z cars, Skylines, and even 240sxs are selling for large amounts of money these days? You could buy a lot of new cars for what some of these 20-40 year old Nissan cars sell for. That says a lot about their heritage but little of that heritage lives on in their products of today. The GTR, rather get a Porsche and the 370z go get a Corvette. Lite, economical, sporty and affordable do not belong to Nissan now. The Renault crap has really eroded their brand.

If done right the IDx could be a shiny spot in a otherwise bland car company. I some how think they will screw this up.

Have built and owned both and I would always take a 6 or over a 4 given the option. I am sorry but you are about to turn this whole thread into a SR pissing match so typical of Zilvia.
Oh and get your engines right Z32's did not come with VQ's they came with VG!s

Look you obviously don't know your Nissan history well enough to be discussing it.
Oh and go and buy your Porsche for 100k and I will guarantee a 100k GTR will spank its ass and leave it crying.

Please don't start this battle here especially with me as you will not win.

[jamanrr]

I think the SR and the RB are the best engines from Nissan, period. The VG or VQ as you pointed it out to be called now might be good engines I do not know but I do know that my sr20 powered 240 smoked them so bad that I could slow down then put 3-5 car lengths on them within seconds and then slow down again all while they were under full throttle. If you know what a high powered SR can do in a S chassis car then you should realize that a 350 or 370 would have to put out 100-200 more horsepower than the S chassis for it to even be close.

That was not my goal to get into a engine pissing match about Nissan engines and which are better. The comments about Porsche are laughable though, pretty sure Porsche has more race victories overall than Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Subaru put together. All Phorsche does is race so to say you would take a GTR over a GT3 is also funny but to each their own.

[simmode1]

Hold the fuck up... did you just say the SR20 > VG30DETT?!

Nevermind... don't answer that question. This is obviously going to be a retarded debate. Let's get back to talking about FUTURE RWD cars.

[jamanrr]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Hold the fuck up... did you just say the SR20 > VG30DETT?!

Nevermind... don't answer that question. This is obviously going to be a retarded debate. Let's get back to talking about FUTURE RWD cars.

I have been thinking about getting a Cadillac Ats 2 liter turbo, would I love to have a rwd turbo nissan like this instead, you bet. Do I think it will happen? Knowing nissan, I would be willing to bet that it will be a na non turbo cvt hush box with 110 hp and 40 mpg. Then you all will be like I wish nissan would do something more instead of fixing up 20 year old 240sxs. Nissan execs may say they care but they do not and they will not let this car eat any potential sales of their beloved Z car. Hence why 240s here got truck engines.

I have owned a 300zx tt and I liked the vr4 and sti I owned better. The vg30dett was not all that but that is an IMO and you know what peps say about those

[Matej]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Hold the fuck up... did you just say the SR20 > VG30DETT?!

The SR20 was/is the ultimate RWD toy engine. It was made in great numbers, and it is so dumb and simple that even I can work on it. It comes with a pretty generic-shaped valve for one to personalize, and you can buy a cast intake manifold or oil pan for it on Ebay for under 100$ shipped. I am sure the VG or whatever other serious motor can be made into a much crazier monster, but the SR has achieved a fanboi cult status and along with it an ocean of aftermarket nicknacks, exactly due to being so attainable and user friendly.
It would be neat if Nissan made a new engine worthy of a Fast & Furious quote.