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95exlude · 09-02-2002, 02:19 PM

he is at 13s with full interior and a sub and amp in the back

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 02:24 PM

well.. the jun silvia has pulled 7s..  they change set up all the time..

so you are telling me.. that a civic.. NA is pulling 13s?  what all does he have done?

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 02:33 PM

can u give me a link of somesort to show me the 7s?

he has lsvtec bored to 2.0, aem short ram, aem fuel controller running 75psi, skunk2 cam gears, dc sports headers, tanabe racing medallion, weisco high compression pistons at 11.2:1, VAFC, ecu, only weight reduction is in his exhaust, wheels, and carbon fiber hood.

gman240 · 09-02-2002, 02:45 PM

Steven's Civic. That thing is a beast. Granted that is not in any means a road car at all. That is strictly a drag beast. 8.6 and around 180 mph top speed i belive I say in super street. That guy is got one hell of a ride. Much props to the greek with one of the fastest cars around. Yeah the 240 is a good car, 300zx is a better car, skyline GTR is an even better car... Corvettes are awesome as welll. You see there are many good cars... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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95exlude · 09-02-2002, 02:51 PM

wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas...  its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 03:33 PM

well, i looked on jun's site.. and everywhere else.. best time online is a 8.88 but.. you are comparing a fiberglass body car to a metal body car..  so get a metal body honda civic at that..

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 03:35 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas... its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that car is half of a v8 by the way.. custom built engine.. NOTHING on that car is HONDA..

gman240 · 09-02-2002, 03:35 PM

Saw that one before in one of the magazines. it is essentialy an 8 cylinder engine that was like chopped in half. great to have the power but I also want cars that can be driven on the roads. I will be happy at a range around 300-400 hp and have superior handling when I get really into my project than to have a 500+hp straight line beast. a couple of my favs linked here <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> check em out and enjoy.....
http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html
http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html
http://www.supercars.net/cars....8g.html  
http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 03:40 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,4:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas... its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that car is half of a v8 by the way.. custom built engine.. NOTHING on that car is HONDA..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i DIDNT say it WAS, but we were HAVING a CONVERSATION about BEAST cars and i DO believe that car FITS and EVERYTHING i SAID in that POST remains TRUE, and it SEEMS what i SAID about the DRAG CARS also remains TRUE...talking in HALF CAPS is also FUN

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 03:41 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,3:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">alright, well just on the line of what makes a sports car, how about what it is at the time? not what it came factory. I would consider stephen papadakis' civic a sports car for sure (its a coupe not a hatch i might addd), running the quarter in about 8.6. further, as a comparison, jun's silvia runs the quarter in 8.9. neither of these cars are real sports cars...stock...but the supra, considered a sports car stock, isnt as fast quarter as either of these :b with veilside's supra running 9.004. true this is all drag, true the supra would destroy both highway, as would the silvia make a much better track car. but as someone said, the car is what it is built for. i just happen to know exact examples for drag. i dissagree with what matic said about nissan has always had honda whipped. in fact i believe all in all honda has been leading until they recently retired. further nissan has never really been a part of the rally community. dont get me wrong, im working on a 180sx conversion and love nissan, but i also loved my prelude and love my friend's lsvtec civic. i just dont think anyone can correctly say "nissan has honda whipped"

p.s. all drag times posted have been the fastest i have ever seen, and having discussed this on the 240-sx.com forums those were the fastest we could come up with...correct me if they are wrong.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
" We challenged the limits of stock bodies in drag racing. Even though it has just 4 cylinders, the Silvia boasts more than 700 ps. After achieving Japan's first 9-second car, drag racing fans roared out JUN's name when we the broke new ground with our 8"887 record in the U.S. " - JUN

find a honda doing that..

rally community?  are you kidding?

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 03:47 PM

*waits for a relevant argument*

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 03:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,5:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*waits for a relevant argument*</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
so your saying that a metal body car vs a fiberglass body car is fair?

gman240 · 09-02-2002, 03:53 PM

All I need to say is the corvette sleadgehammer is a beast. That car was made by callaway in 1988. It is a 5.7 lliter engine. Pushing 800+hp. 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. 254 mph top speed. Full aerobody package, full interior car. and also STREET LEGAL!!!!!!!!!! Let that be your guide in making determinations on what a beast really is. YEah all nice stripped metal pan inside with racing seat but can you do it with a full interrior and also be road legal.....

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 03:58 PM

im saying that the fastest known civic is faster than the fastest known silvia on the strip, which is true,i didnt say it was fair... i have just been telling you things to contradict your foolish statement that all civics are slow...

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 04:01 PM

i hate arguing like this "i know of this car that can beat this car you know cuz...yeah" i tell ya what, live anywhere near dallas?  i will beat a car you own with a car i own...how about ur 240 vs my civic...i bet i have invested less money in it than you have and can still win

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 04:12 PM

well, you have to understand that this is the usa.. in the usa we do not have silvias.. we no longer have 240sx.. im sure someone in japan has a faster silvia..  its highly likey that there is a modified silvia in japan that can take out that civic..  and when i say all civics are slow.. i wasn't talking about fully moddified drag cars..  any car can be fast..  my point was that you can't go buy a fast civic.. or any fast honda.. other than the s2000, and nsx..

nissan.. you can buy the 300zx, maxima, altima, 350z.. and several Infinities run 14s..

and if you want to compare full drag cars..

then bring up the million dollar nsx (which breaks every other event).. that can't and will never beat the escort 300zx (7.4)..

*AceInHole* · 09-02-2002, 04:15 PM

not enough beer = the pissing match runs dry.

Question 1:
How streetable is a 10 second Civic??
Question 2:
How streetable is a 10 second 240sx??
Question 3:
If the 240sx and the Civic were both girls, does rear wheel drive mean what I think it would mean??

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 04:15 PM

do you run 13s?  i will really race you if u want.. next time i go to dallas

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 04:17 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,5:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, you have to understand that this is the usa.. in the usa we do not have silvias.. we no longer have 240sx.. im sure someone in japan has a faster silvia.. its highly likey that there is a modified silvia in japan that can take out that civic.. and when i say all civics are slow.. i wasn't talking about fully moddified drag cars.. any car can be fast.. my point was that you can't go buy a fast civic.. or any fast honda.. other than the s2000, and nsx..

nissan.. you can buy the 300zx, maxima, altima, 350z.. and several Infinities run 14s..

and if you want to compare full drag cars..

then bring up the million dollar nsx (which breaks every other event).. that can't and will never beat the escort 300zx (7.4)..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well i guess ur going to have trouble if ur going to keep ur cars stock...also lets look at price difference between those stock cars, and i wouldnt argue on an assumption that someone has a faster silvia, and further more lets get back to my challenge, live anywhere near dallas?

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 04:31 PM

yea like 800 miles away.. but ive been there a few times.. and might go again some time soon..  back to my question.. do you run 13s?

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 04:38 PM

yes in the civic, told ya that already, if ur commin to dallas give me an email at [email protected], we can set up a run

matic 240sx · 09-02-2002, 04:43 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,6:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes in the civic, told ya that already, if ur commin to dallas give me an email at [email protected], we can set up a run</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
k  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> sounds like a plan

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 04:45 PM

we are going to start stripping the civic soon after we get done with body work, then comes the turbo, not much boost (5 psi) but thats keeping the compression ratio as is...i hope to have the 180 ready in about a month; stock sr20det, for now

tnord · 09-02-2002, 07:42 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,2:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tnord.. of course the 240sx is not a great ass car.. its a good car.. just like a 1000 others.. we can't afford skylines so we get what we can afford.. and i would never take a honda over a nissan in its price range.. and whats your point about the Si? its slow.. its ugly.. its front wheel.. turbos tear honda engines apart.. so its a great car to spend money on and get into the 14s? COOL! not bashing just stating facts..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the 240 is a good car just like 1000 others.
exactly, so how do the majority of you come up with the conclusion that so and so sucks compared to what we have?

slow?
maybe, but it's faster than what we have.
si 0-60 7.2
240 0-60 8.3
not even a comparison

never take a honda over a nissan?
a bit thick headed/stubborn/ignorant are we?

ugly?
i would tend to disagree

turbo's?
who's talkin about turbo's? compare the car stock for stock, it's the only really fair comparison.

stating facts???
i would tend to say that UGLY is a pretty individual view. your performance "facts" are obviously anything but

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 08:24 PM

i wouldn't call matic completely ignorant as he knows what he is talking about.  i just think we have a heavily different bias.

SimpleS14 · 09-02-2002, 08:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Sep. 01 2002,6:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not enough beer = the pissing match runs dry.

Question 1:
How streetable is a 10 second Civic??
Question 2:
How streetable is a 10 second 240sx??
Question 3:
If the 240sx and the Civic were both girls, does rear wheel drive mean what I think it would mean??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
1) Not possible.....

2) Barely.....

3) I don't get it?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>  but then again I think I do......

Anyways, to every man/women they have there own opinions and feeling towards what they like and what they dislike.  There is no reason the take ish that people say to heart (not pointing out to anyone), esspecially when its online.  You have your facts and proofs while he or she has theirs (once again not pointing at anyone).  When it comes down to it...a car is a car no matter what's done to get or how fast it goes.  There's no need to hate or let things get to you.  Basically Honda makes good cars and Nissan makes good cars, you just have to pick the right one for yourself and keep the hating, bashing or whatever at a competative(sp?) level where your both learning something from each other and teaching at the same time.

Sorry if I not making any sense.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>  

BTW, STOCK for STOCK.....the S-14 does look nicer than a '00 Si....but thats just my opinion(sp?).  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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95exlude · 09-02-2002, 09:10 PM

exactly why matic n i are gonna take it to the street.  we can race, someone will win, then we can learn from each other's motors.  i just thought i would throw this out too, this was from earlier today on another 240sx forum, makes me kinda afraid to become part of the 240 community... click me

One-Eighty SX · 09-02-2002, 09:20 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Sep. 02 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, STOCK for STOCK.....the S-14 does look nicer than a '00 Si....but thats just my opinion(sp?). <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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I gonna try to add something hear my self, i agree what gt specR jus qouted. b/c a car is a car its ur choice to choose what fits ur style of driving whether it be drag racing, autocross, road racing, drifting, and rallying. Each car has its pro and cons not all cars are GODLY made perfect. So that is why we enhance certain areas of the car to make up for there lack of. I was stupid when i got this honda and pretty much uneducated what to get. But since i have learned a great deal from my friends i regret getting a honda b/c its blowing up over here and plus its alll damn ricers. With certain exceptions of nice turbo'd civics like some hatches preferabley and crx's. So i had to live wid my pathetic decision of gettin a civic cuz that was what iwas into at the time. Do i regret it more than ever now cuz i really wanted a 97 240sx... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

issed:'> . GT SpecR i totally aggree wid u bout the 97-98 kouki 240sx looks way better and meaner than a si any day <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

sporty240sx · 09-02-2002, 09:20 PM

Hey folks. Someone compared the 0-60 MPH times of the 240 and civic but didn't mention what year... If I recall correctly from a magazine article found on 240sx.org. The 95 240 ran an impressive 7.5 seconds. I agree that an SI will probably beat the 240 ( any year ) in the 1/4 mile but the 0-60 times are closer than you think. The 240 has A LOT more torque so I don't think it will have any problem spanking the civic off the line.

And what about handling and braking distances?? I think the 240 is better than the SI in that respect. I don't have the exact specs on me but I think someone can back me up on this.  Or how about heritage. The 240sx is a descendant of a legendary Japanese sports car ( 240z) while the civic is based off of an economy car. I'm not disrespecting any car. I love both Honda's and Nissans but I think the two cars are in a different class and shouldn't be compared.

The Honda Civic is NOT a sports car. It never was and never will be. I don't care how fast it is. It's a reliable efficient car meant for sensible transportation.

The 240sx is a sports car although underpowered. It has great handling and is A LOT more fun to drive than a civic.

And in my opinion the 240sx ( s13 or s14 ) is soooo much sexier than a civic. In fact I've seen silvia front end conversions for the civic. I don't think any 240 owner is thinking of a civic conversion for their car. I'm done rambling now hehe.

Sherv

95exlude · 09-02-2002, 10:04 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sporty240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey folks. Someone compared the 0-60 MPH times of the 240 and civic but didn't mention what year... If I recall correctly from a magazine article found on 240sx.org. The 95 240 ran an impressive 7.5 seconds. I agree that an SI will probably beat the 240 ( any year ) in the 1/4 mile but the 0-60 times are closer than you think. The 240 has A LOT more torque so I don't think it will have any problem spanking the civic off the line.

And what about handling and braking distances?? I think the 240 is better than the SI in that respect. I don't have the exact specs on me but I think someone can back me up on this. Or how about heritage. The 240sx is a descendant of a legendary Japanese sports car ( 240z) while the civic is based off of an economy car. I'm not disrespecting any car. I love both Honda's and Nissans but I think the two cars are in a different class and shouldn't be compared.

The Honda Civic is NOT a sports car. It never was and never will be. I don't care how fast it is. It's a reliable efficient car meant for sensible transportation.

The 240sx is a sports car although underpowered. It has great handling and is A LOT more fun to drive than a civic.

And in my opinion the 240sx ( s13 or s14 ) is soooo much sexier than a civic. In fact I've seen silvia front end conversions for the civic. I don't think any 240 owner is thinking of a civic conversion for their car. I'm done rambling now hehe.

Sherv</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
im just gonna go ahead and dissagree and repeat what someone said, "a car is what you build it to be". moving on, my civic looks like shit, its a white coupe but has been wrecked so has a red passenger door and black bumpers.  its respectably fast tho, especially for a naturally aspirated car.  its great to see these 'sporty' cars such as 240sxs, n/a 300zxs, preludes, integras get their asses handed to them just cuz they thought they could own this ugly 'economy car'.

09-02-2002, 02:24 PM	#2
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well.. the jun silvia has pulled 7s..  they change set up all the time.. so you are telling me.. that a civic.. NA is pulling 13s?  what all does he have done? __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 02:45 PM	#4
gman240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Age: 48 Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Steven's Civic. That thing is a beast. Granted that is not in any means a road car at all. That is strictly a drag beast. 8.6 and around 180 mph top speed i belive I say in super street. That guy is got one hell of a ride. Much props to the greek with one of the fastest cars around. Yeah the 240 is a good car, 300zx is a better car, skyline GTR is an even better car... Corvettes are awesome as welll. You see there are many good cars... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" "Follow Me" Shift_Passion

09-02-2002, 03:33 PM	#6
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well, i looked on jun's site.. and everywhere else.. best time online is a 8.88 but.. you are comparing a fiberglass body car to a metal body car..  so get a metal body honda civic at that.. __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 03:35 PM	#7
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas... its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> that car is half of a v8 by the way.. custom built engine.. NOTHING on that car is HONDA.. __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 03:35 PM	#8
gman240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Age: 48 Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Saw that one before in one of the magazines. it is essentialy an 8 cylinder engine that was like chopped in half. great to have the power but I also want cars that can be driven on the roads. I will be happy at a range around 300-400 hp and have superior handling when I get really into my project than to have a 500+hp straight line beast. a couple of my favs linked here <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> check em out and enjoy..... http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html http://www.supercars.net/cars....8g.html   http://www.supercars.net/cars....eg.html __________________ "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" "Follow Me" Shift_Passion

09-02-2002, 02:19 PM	#1
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he is at 13s with full interior and a sub and amp in the back

09-02-2002, 02:33 PM	#3
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	can u give me a link of somesort to show me the 7s? he has lsvtec bored to 2.0, aem short ram, aem fuel controller running 75psi, skunk2 cam gears, dc sports headers, tanabe racing medallion, weisco high compression pistons at 11.2:1, VAFC, ecu, only weight reduction is in his exhaust, wheels, and carbon fiber hood.

09-02-2002, 02:51 PM	#5
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas...  its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.

09-02-2002, 03:40 PM	#9
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,4:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wanna see a beast? look up the norwood/jotech integra here in dallas... its a topfuel 4 cylinder pushing out 4600 hp...1200hp per cylinder, i do believe that is the most efficient dragster i have seen, very impressive.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> that car is half of a v8 by the way.. custom built engine.. NOTHING on that car is HONDA..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> i DIDNT say it WAS, but we were HAVING a CONVERSATION about BEAST cars and i DO believe that car FITS and EVERYTHING i SAID in that POST remains TRUE, and it SEEMS what i SAID about the DRAG CARS also remains TRUE...talking in HALF CAPS is also FUN

09-02-2002, 03:41 PM	#10
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,3:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">alright, well just on the line of what makes a sports car, how about what it is at the time? not what it came factory. I would consider stephen papadakis' civic a sports car for sure (its a coupe not a hatch i might addd), running the quarter in about 8.6. further, as a comparison, jun's silvia runs the quarter in 8.9. neither of these cars are real sports cars...stock...but the supra, considered a sports car stock, isnt as fast quarter as either of these :b with veilside's supra running 9.004. true this is all drag, true the supra would destroy both highway, as would the silvia make a much better track car. but as someone said, the car is what it is built for. i just happen to know exact examples for drag. i dissagree with what matic said about nissan has always had honda whipped. in fact i believe all in all honda has been leading until they recently retired. further nissan has never really been a part of the rally community. dont get me wrong, im working on a 180sx conversion and love nissan, but i also loved my prelude and love my friend's lsvtec civic. i just dont think anyone can correctly say "nissan has honda whipped" p.s. all drag times posted have been the fastest i have ever seen, and having discussed this on the 240-sx.com forums those were the fastest we could come up with...correct me if they are wrong.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> " We challenged the limits of stock bodies in drag racing. Even though it has just 4 cylinders, the Silvia boasts more than 700 ps. After achieving Japan's first 9-second car, drag racing fans roared out JUN's name when we the broke new ground with our 8"887 record in the U.S. " - JUN find a honda doing that.. rally community?  are you kidding? __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 03:47 PM	#11
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	waits for a relevant argument

09-02-2002, 03:51 PM	#12
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,5:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">waits for a relevant argument</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> so your saying that a metal body car vs a fiberglass body car is fair? __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 03:53 PM	#13
gman240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Age: 48 Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All I need to say is the corvette sleadgehammer is a beast. That car was made by callaway in 1988. It is a 5.7 lliter engine. Pushing 800+hp. 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. 254 mph top speed. Full aerobody package, full interior car. and also STREET LEGAL!!!!!!!!!! Let that be your guide in making determinations on what a beast really is. YEah all nice stripped metal pan inside with racing seat but can you do it with a full interrior and also be road legal..... __________________ "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" "Follow Me" Shift_Passion

09-02-2002, 03:58 PM	#14
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im saying that the fastest known civic is faster than the fastest known silvia on the strip, which is true,i didnt say it was fair... i have just been telling you things to contradict your foolish statement that all civics are slow...

09-02-2002, 04:01 PM	#15
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i hate arguing like this "i know of this car that can beat this car you know cuz...yeah" i tell ya what, live anywhere near dallas?  i will beat a car you own with a car i own...how about ur 240 vs my civic...i bet i have invested less money in it than you have and can still win

09-02-2002, 04:12 PM	#16
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well, you have to understand that this is the usa.. in the usa we do not have silvias.. we no longer have 240sx.. im sure someone in japan has a faster silvia..  its highly likey that there is a modified silvia in japan that can take out that civic..  and when i say all civics are slow.. i wasn't talking about fully moddified drag cars..  any car can be fast..  my point was that you can't go buy a fast civic.. or any fast honda.. other than the s2000, and nsx.. nissan.. you can buy the 300zx, maxima, altima, 350z.. and several Infinities run 14s.. and if you want to compare full drag cars.. then bring up the million dollar nsx (which breaks every other event).. that can't and will never beat the escort 300zx (7.4).. __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 04:15 PM	#17
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 44 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	not enough beer = the pissing match runs dry. Question 1: How streetable is a 10 second Civic?? Question 2: How streetable is a 10 second 240sx?? Question 3: If the 240sx and the Civic were both girls, does rear wheel drive mean what I think it would mean?? __________________

09-02-2002, 04:17 PM	#19
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,5:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, you have to understand that this is the usa.. in the usa we do not have silvias.. we no longer have 240sx.. im sure someone in japan has a faster silvia.. its highly likey that there is a modified silvia in japan that can take out that civic.. and when i say all civics are slow.. i wasn't talking about fully moddified drag cars.. any car can be fast.. my point was that you can't go buy a fast civic.. or any fast honda.. other than the s2000, and nsx.. nissan.. you can buy the 300zx, maxima, altima, 350z.. and several Infinities run 14s.. and if you want to compare full drag cars.. then bring up the million dollar nsx (which breaks every other event).. that can't and will never beat the escort 300zx (7.4)..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> well i guess ur going to have trouble if ur going to keep ur cars stock...also lets look at price difference between those stock cars, and i wouldnt argue on an assumption that someone has a faster silvia, and further more lets get back to my challenge, live anywhere near dallas?

09-02-2002, 04:31 PM	#20
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea like 800 miles away.. but ive been there a few times.. and might go again some time soon..  back to my question.. do you run 13s? __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 04:38 PM	#21
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes in the civic, told ya that already, if ur commin to dallas give me an email at [email protected], we can set up a run

09-02-2002, 04:43 PM	#22
matic 240sx Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: las vegas Age: 42 Posts: 798 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: matic 240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95exlude @ Sep. 01 2002,6:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes in the civic, told ya that already, if ur commin to dallas give me an email at [email protected], we can set up a run</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> k  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> sounds like a plan __________________ · m á † í ç · after9racing.com

09-02-2002, 04:45 PM	#23
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	we are going to start stripping the civic soon after we get done with body work, then comes the turbo, not much boost (5 psi) but thats keeping the compression ratio as is...i hope to have the 180 ready in about a month; stock sr20det, for now

09-02-2002, 07:42 PM	#24
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,2:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tnord.. of course the 240sx is not a great ass car.. its a good car.. just like a 1000 others.. we can't afford skylines so we get what we can afford.. and i would never take a honda over a nissan in its price range.. and whats your point about the Si? its slow.. its ugly.. its front wheel.. turbos tear honda engines apart.. so its a great car to spend money on and get into the 14s? COOL! not bashing just stating facts..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> the 240 is a good car just like 1000 others. exactly, so how do the majority of you come up with the conclusion that so and so sucks compared to what we have? slow? maybe, but it's faster than what we have. si 0-60 7.2 240 0-60 8.3 not even a comparison never take a honda over a nissan? a bit thick headed/stubborn/ignorant are we? ugly? i would tend to disagree turbo's? who's talkin about turbo's? compare the car stock for stock, it's the only really fair comparison. stating facts??? i would tend to say that UGLY is a pretty individual view. your performance "facts" are obviously anything but

09-02-2002, 08:24 PM	#25
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wouldn't call matic completely ignorant as he knows what he is talking about.  i just think we have a heavily different bias.

09-02-2002, 08:51 PM	#26
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 42 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Sep. 01 2002,6:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not enough beer = the pissing match runs dry. Question 1: How streetable is a 10 second Civic?? Question 2: How streetable is a 10 second 240sx?? Question 3: If the 240sx and the Civic were both girls, does rear wheel drive mean what I think it would mean??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> 1) Not possible..... 2) Barely..... 3) I don't get it?  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>  but then again I think I do...... Anyways, to every man/women they have there own opinions and feeling towards what they like and what they dislike.  There is no reason the take ish that people say to heart (not pointing out to anyone), esspecially when its online.  You have your facts and proofs while he or she has theirs (once again not pointing at anyone).  When it comes down to it...a car is a car no matter what's done to get or how fast it goes.  There's no need to hate or let things get to you.  Basically Honda makes good cars and Nissan makes good cars, you just have to pick the right one for yourself and keep the hating, bashing or whatever at a competative(sp?) level where your both learning something from each other and teaching at the same time. Sorry if I not making any sense.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>   BTW, STOCK for STOCK.....the S-14 does look nicer than a '00 Si....but thats just my opinion(sp?).  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

09-02-2002, 09:10 PM	#27
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	exactly why matic n i are gonna take it to the street.  we can race, someone will win, then we can learn from each other's motors.  i just thought i would throw this out too, this was from earlier today on another 240sx forum, makes me kinda afraid to become part of the 240 community... click me

09-02-2002, 09:20 PM	#28
One-Eighty SX Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Sep. 02 2002,9:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, STOCK for STOCK.....the S-14 does look nicer than a '00 Si....but thats just my opinion(sp?). <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I gonna try to add something hear my self, i agree what gt specR jus qouted. b/c a car is a car its ur choice to choose what fits ur style of driving whether it be drag racing, autocross, road racing, drifting, and rallying. Each car has its pro and cons not all cars are GODLY made perfect. So that is why we enhance certain areas of the car to make up for there lack of. I was stupid when i got this honda and pretty much uneducated what to get. But since i have learned a great deal from my friends i regret getting a honda b/c its blowing up over here and plus its alll damn ricers. With certain exceptions of nice turbo'd civics like some hatches preferabley and crx's. So i had to live wid my pathetic decision of gettin a civic cuz that was what iwas into at the time. Do i regret it more than ever now cuz i really wanted a 97 240sx... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'> . GT SpecR i totally aggree wid u bout the 97-98 kouki 240sx looks way better and meaner than a si any day <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

09-02-2002, 09:20 PM	#29
sporty240sx Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey folks. Someone compared the 0-60 MPH times of the 240 and civic but didn't mention what year... If I recall correctly from a magazine article found on 240sx.org. The 95 240 ran an impressive 7.5 seconds. I agree that an SI will probably beat the 240 ( any year ) in the 1/4 mile but the 0-60 times are closer than you think. The 240 has A LOT more torque so I don't think it will have any problem spanking the civic off the line. And what about handling and braking distances?? I think the 240 is better than the SI in that respect. I don't have the exact specs on me but I think someone can back me up on this.  Or how about heritage. The 240sx is a descendant of a legendary Japanese sports car ( 240z) while the civic is based off of an economy car. I'm not disrespecting any car. I love both Honda's and Nissans but I think the two cars are in a different class and shouldn't be compared. The Honda Civic is NOT a sports car. It never was and never will be. I don't care how fast it is. It's a reliable efficient car meant for sensible transportation. The 240sx is a sports car although underpowered. It has great handling and is A LOT more fun to drive than a civic. And in my opinion the 240sx ( s13 or s14 ) is soooo much sexier than a civic. In fact I've seen silvia front end conversions for the civic. I don't think any 240 owner is thinking of a civic conversion for their car. I'm done rambling now hehe. Sherv

09-02-2002, 10:04 PM	#30
95exlude Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sporty240sx @ Sep. 02 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey folks. Someone compared the 0-60 MPH times of the 240 and civic but didn't mention what year... If I recall correctly from a magazine article found on 240sx.org. The 95 240 ran an impressive 7.5 seconds. I agree that an SI will probably beat the 240 ( any year ) in the 1/4 mile but the 0-60 times are closer than you think. The 240 has A LOT more torque so I don't think it will have any problem spanking the civic off the line. And what about handling and braking distances?? I think the 240 is better than the SI in that respect. I don't have the exact specs on me but I think someone can back me up on this. Or how about heritage. The 240sx is a descendant of a legendary Japanese sports car ( 240z) while the civic is based off of an economy car. I'm not disrespecting any car. I love both Honda's and Nissans but I think the two cars are in a different class and shouldn't be compared. The Honda Civic is NOT a sports car. It never was and never will be. I don't care how fast it is. It's a reliable efficient car meant for sensible transportation. The 240sx is a sports car although underpowered. It has great handling and is A LOT more fun to drive than a civic. And in my opinion the 240sx ( s13 or s14 ) is soooo much sexier than a civic. In fact I've seen silvia front end conversions for the civic. I don't think any 240 owner is thinking of a civic conversion for their car. I'm done rambling now hehe. Sherv</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> im just gonna go ahead and dissagree and repeat what someone said, "a car is what you build it to be". moving on, my civic looks like shit, its a white coupe but has been wrecked so has a red passenger door and black bumpers.  its respectably fast tho, especially for a naturally aspirated car.  its great to see these 'sporty' cars such as 240sxs, n/a 300zxs, preludes, integras get their asses handed to them just cuz they thought they could own this ugly 'economy car'.

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