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240fluke · 12-09-2002, 02:24 AM

I would say drive both cars and figure out which one suits you more.  But the arguement that rotary engines break every 60-80K is pretty bullshit though.  Part of the reason the engines break is because of the owners LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about the car they are driving.  My buddy has a '90 RX-7 with over 160K on the ORIGINAL engine.  He takes damn good care of his car and has done his homework on the engine.  The Rotary engine has FAR FEWER moving parts than an Internal Combustion Engine has.  That means, less to go wrong on the car.  Whether you get either car, I would recommend doing some general maintenance on the car and make sure everything is running up to par.  

On the rotary, main problem with those cars typically is the Apex Seals.  When those go bad, that is usually what causes the engine to go bye-bye.  Upgrade that and make sure to do routine maintenance on the engine and do research about that engine and you will be fine.  I would highly recommend going to an RX7 forum (such as RX-7.com or Rx7Club.com) and start reading about the car.

Either car can cause problems if not properly maintained.  240's are pretty fun to drive, but lack in power (KA does drive like a baby V8 though).  RX-7 has a nice high redline and loves to wind out (even in the NA form).

There was a guy that came into my shop that owns both an FC Turbo II and a FD RX-7 (that car is badass, yellow and highly modded).  On the FC by just adding exhaust he increased HP by a shit load because he was able to effectively double the boost from 3.5 to 7 psi IIRC.  I have also heard of underdrive pullies on those cars increasing power by a lot as well.  Those engines just respond VERY WELL to mods.  I would love to own an RX-7.  Oh and if you do get the rotary, DO NOT turn the car on and turn it back off, let it go through its warm up cycle or else you will be sorry you didn't.

240's have a very strong community as well.  Have an ever increasing aftermarket and are fun to drive.  I love my S14 and never plan on selling the car, eventually it will probably become a pure track car.

Tim '95 SE

hurleyboi514 · 12-09-2002, 07:04 AM

he is very right...  most problems with rotaries point at the owner.  i wasnt ready for mine.  ive only been into cars since i was 17, so i was inexperienced at the time.  the Rx7 i had sure taught me alot.  i got a chance to rebuild the engine (twice  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'> ) and it gave me my very 1st autox experience as well.  i would like the money back i invested in those cars, but certainly not the things i learned from it.

KiDyNomiTe · 12-09-2002, 09:07 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Firelance @ Dec. 09 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ Dec. 08 2002,8:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nothing wrong with american engines. There is a reason why you find a lot of datsuns with chevy engines in em <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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Juss cuz an engines big doesn't mean it can't handle, look at Z06s they are great in autocross and basically rule right now.

Someone wanna give me $60K to get a vette, and some extra money to turbo that vette.

437 RWHP & 545 lbs TQ!!!!
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I just want to point out that previous to the release of the Z06 vette it was the RX-7 FD that dominated auto-x SS, including the C5 vettes. A 10 year old car with an engine unlike any other <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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I know, but the rx7 is gone and the vette is here (here to stay, they are making another one), there is a reason i only mentioned the Z06.

It is one  of the only true sports cars that stuck it out.

AutoDestruct · 12-09-2002, 09:16 AM

Thanks kreator.  you da man.  " I pledge alliegance to the 350 small block of america, brought to us by GM, with torque and horsepower for all. "   The T2 weighs , because of upgraded driveshaft and braking components.  I think. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

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InferiorWang · 12-09-2002, 09:27 AM

You don't need to be thinking about which car you can drift with for your first car.  Too many people have done that and that's why insurance on 240's is going up, too many dumbasses who think their the shit when they really don't know anything about driving.  Find yourself a nice FWD car first and learn to drive then find a RWD car and dont drift unless you can practice on an autox track.

*Jeff240sx* · 12-09-2002, 09:46 AM

This just went way off topic.  The discussion was "240sx v. rx-7."  It wasn't Z06 v. FD, or 502 v. 13b.  It was KA v. 13b.
I think that the general concensus was that rx-7s are maintenence intensive, need rebuilds often, and are a specialized engine that few can work on correctly.  But the conclusion to that was the same conclusion that has always been given when people ask the forum to decide on a car for them.  Drive them both and figure it out yourself.
-Jeff

12-09-2002, 07:04 AM	#32
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	he is very right...  most problems with rotaries point at the owner.  i wasnt ready for mine.  ive only been into cars since i was 17, so i was inexperienced at the time.  the Rx7 i had sure taught me alot.  i got a chance to rebuild the engine (twice  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'> ) and it gave me my very 1st autox experience as well.  i would like the money back i invested in those cars, but certainly not the things i learned from it. __________________ HighTach Motorsports

12-09-2002, 09:07 AM	#33
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Firelance @ Dec. 09 2002,01:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ Dec. 08 2002,8:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nothing wrong with american engines. There is a reason why you find a lot of datsuns with chevy engines in em <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> . Juss cuz an engines big doesn't mean it can't handle, look at Z06s they are great in autocross and basically rule right now. Someone wanna give me $60K to get a vette, and some extra money to turbo that vette. 437 RWHP & 545 lbs TQ!!!! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I just want to point out that previous to the release of the Z06 vette it was the RX-7 FD that dominated auto-x SS, including the C5 vettes. A 10 year old car with an engine unlike any other <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I know, but the rx7 is gone and the vette is here (here to stay, they are making another one), there is a reason i only mentioned the Z06. It is one  of the only true sports cars that stuck it out. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

12-09-2002, 09:16 AM	#34
AutoDestruct Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Burg, Harrisburg Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks kreator.  you da man.  " I pledge alliegance to the 350 small block of america, brought to us by GM, with torque and horsepower for all. "   The T2 weighs , because of upgraded driveshaft and braking components.  I think. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

12-09-2002, 09:46 AM	#36
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This just went way off topic.  The discussion was "240sx v. rx-7."  It wasn't Z06 v. FD, or 502 v. 13b.  It was KA v. 13b. I think that the general concensus was that rx-7s are maintenence intensive, need rebuilds often, and are a specialized engine that few can work on correctly.  But the conclusion to that was the same conclusion that has always been given when people ask the forum to decide on a car for them.  Drive them both and figure it out yourself. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

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12-09-2002, 02:24 AM	#31
240fluke Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Ramon, CA Age: 45 Posts: 185 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would say drive both cars and figure out which one suits you more.  But the arguement that rotary engines break every 60-80K is pretty bullshit though.  Part of the reason the engines break is because of the owners LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about the car they are driving.  My buddy has a '90 RX-7 with over 160K on the ORIGINAL engine.  He takes damn good care of his car and has done his homework on the engine.  The Rotary engine has FAR FEWER moving parts than an Internal Combustion Engine has.  That means, less to go wrong on the car.  Whether you get either car, I would recommend doing some general maintenance on the car and make sure everything is running up to par.   On the rotary, main problem with those cars typically is the Apex Seals.  When those go bad, that is usually what causes the engine to go bye-bye.  Upgrade that and make sure to do routine maintenance on the engine and do research about that engine and you will be fine.  I would highly recommend going to an RX7 forum (such as RX-7.com or Rx7Club.com) and start reading about the car. Either car can cause problems if not properly maintained.  240's are pretty fun to drive, but lack in power (KA does drive like a baby V8 though).  RX-7 has a nice high redline and loves to wind out (even in the NA form). There was a guy that came into my shop that owns both an FC Turbo II and a FD RX-7 (that car is badass, yellow and highly modded).  On the FC by just adding exhaust he increased HP by a shit load because he was able to effectively double the boost from 3.5 to 7 psi IIRC.  I have also heard of underdrive pullies on those cars increasing power by a lot as well.  Those engines just respond VERY WELL to mods.  I would love to own an RX-7.  Oh and if you do get the rotary, DO NOT turn the car on and turn it back off, let it go through its warm up cycle or else you will be sorry you didn't. 240's have a very strong community as well.  Have an ever increasing aftermarket and are fun to drive.  I love my S14 and never plan on selling the car, eventually it will probably become a pure track car. Tim '95 SE

12-09-2002, 09:27 AM	#35
InferiorWang Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You don't need to be thinking about which car you can drift with for your first car.  Too many people have done that and that's why insurance on 240's is going up, too many dumbasses who think their the shit when they really don't know anything about driving.  Find yourself a nice FWD car first and learn to drive then find a RWD car and dont drift unless you can practice on an autox track.