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[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by drftwerks

so ou can use this for a V mount setup to fil the coolant??

do you mean as a replacement overfill tank?

[wootwoot]

Originally Posted by atom

Once it's installed, you don't really do anything different except fill the coolant from the surge tank instead of the radiator.

it is NOT a surge tank in anyway.

[atom]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

it is NOT a surge tank in anyway.

Thanks for the heads up. BTW you might want to contact Griffin about their error as well.

http://griffinrad.com/surgetank.php

[scir16v]

Is the Apexi GT spec Reserve tank the same thing?

[wootwoot]

A surge tank IS something different then what is being described. A surge tank acts for the intake while during the fluttering off turbo surge provides a resvoir of air to smooth this out working in a similar way to how the plenum operates.
By the definition of surge they are right to call it so but surge tanks generally refer to what I'm talking about; atleast in America.
Surge- To rise and move in a billowing or swelling manner.
Expand- To increase the size, volume, quantity, or scope of; enlarge

So technically they are not wrong to say so but in automotive circles thats how it goes.

[ca19det]

swirl pot, as i know, is used for bleeding the system and when your radiator isnt the higest point in the cooling system making it hard ot bleed properly, by using a small presurised tank witha a second rad cap, any air/water bled off by the radiator, the air can then be bled off and the water returned to the system, there is also a catch bottle/tank..

I have a SCC magazine with the Feast-Power.co.jp CA18DET and it has a swirl pot in its cooling system, i'll scan it for ya,



http://www.feast-power.com/rsf/demo/demo.htm

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

I would definately recommend one to anyone who is looking for a safer cooling system. Swirl pot is a new term to me though. I have always heard them called "breather tanks". I will be investing as soon as I can find a resevoir tank that is not cracked or broken. Anyone know if someone makes a replacement reservoir tank, or would it hurt anything to fab one up out of alum.? I have a neighbor who is willing to do this for me....just not sure if it being metal will affect anything.

[Angel]

I've got several sitting around the shop and have been too lazy to incorporate one yet on my car. fwiw, the uk based company that I work for calls them swirl pots as well and makes many different variations, as well as power assisted steering tanks, header tanks ( coolant overflow to us ) fuel tanks and catch tanks. I'll be taking off the Samco coolant hoses that I have on the car now soon to replace with our own... maybe I should put one on then.

[wootwoot]

What shop do you work at?? I might have to snatch one of those from ya. Detail me on [email protected] =)

[Angel]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

What shop do you work at?? I might have to snatch one of those from ya. Detail me on [email protected] =)

Check your email for details.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

wee works great
i have one on my car. its fantastic i love it
even my daily will get one. best mod for the money imo


mine's on the left. greddy unit. hecka cheap



how to hook up
there are 4 plus on the tank
3 top, onestraight down

top top goes to the overflow tank
the other two:
to the radiator plug (whre the overflow used to go)
other to the bleeder screw plug (greddy comes w/ the screw w/ a nipple on end to fit perfect)
lowest (bottom) goes to radator hose (lower) andfeeds water back into system

basically
the one that goes from bleeder is always bleeding AIR into the tank
the water goes back into the system going down (meaning air wont get back in once it goes thru bleeder

meaning: your system is always getting bled no more air bubbles ladies. = always cooooooler

makes draining and refilling syhstem easier (faster to bleed less work for me)

and when you 'refill your rdiator' you do it from the air separator.

its elementary my dear boy.

Couple of questions. I bought the GReddy Radiator Breather Tank and the nipple that comes with it has a different threading than the drain plug of my Koyo Radiator which is 10x1.25, Anyone else encountered this problem? Second question is what size Greddy Water Temperature Sensor Adapter for sr20det samco hoses?

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Couple of questions. I bought the GReddy Radiator Breather Tank and the nipple that comes with it has a different threading than the drain plug of my Koyo Radiator which is 10x1.25, Anyone else encountered this problem? Second question is what size Greddy Water Temperature Sensor Adapter for sr20det samco hoses?

bump. I can't find a hose fitting with 10x1.25 threading that will fit the Koyo rad drain hole. still need to know what size adapter for the samco hoses.

[wantboost]

i'm thinking about getting this one

[vrooompssssht]

if you got a diff rad with no rad cap and just a bleeder nipple on it, you could run a much simplier setup

like VW's run, expansion tank simply has the bottom outlet going to a rad hose, while the upper one goes to the nipple on the rad, it constantly flows coolant/air bubbles through the top and out the bottom of the tank


or you could keep your stock rad and have a very small expansion tank like the ones shown and run 4 hoses all over the place.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Couple of questions. I bought the GReddy Radiator Breather Tank and the nipple that comes with it has a different threading than the drain plug of my Koyo Radiator which is 10x1.25, Anyone else encountered this problem? Second question is what size Greddy Water Temperature Sensor Adapter for sr20det samco hoses?

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

bump. I can't find a hose fitting with 10x1.25 threading that will fit the Koyo rad drain hole. still need to know what size adapter for the samco hoses.

Someone has to have these answers?!

[wootwoot]

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/

use Google! or buy Prepare to Win by Carroll Smith and it'll teach you where to find anything/everything and how to use it properly.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/

use Google! or buy Prepare to Win by Carroll Smith and it'll teach you where to find anything/everything and how to use it properly.

searched, searched then searched again and still cannot find a hose barb to pip adapter with 10mm x 1.25 male threading. This is frustrating.

[McRussellPants]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Someone has to have these answers?!

First off. lolololol at trying to plumb expansion tank into your radiator drain. don't do that.

Expansion Tank Hose
Filler Neck Barb = Overflow Tank
Top Barb = Coolant Elbow on Drivers side of Block.
Second Barb = Filler Neck on Radiator
Bottom Barb = Lower radiator hose.
(exact same shit dousan said on second post)


Samco hoses are either 36 or 38mm, either way, SPL has the cure for your sickness.

[Flybert]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

bump. I can't find a hose fitting with 10x1.25 threading that will fit the Koyo rad drain hole. still need to know what size adapter for the samco hoses.

What the hell? Are you trying to reinvent the wheel with your own custom setup? Just go get a hose adapter for the lower hose.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

First off. lolololol at trying to plumb expansion tank into your radiator drain. don't do that.

Expansion Tank Hose
Filler Neck Barb = Overflow Tank
Top Barb = Coolant Elbow on Drivers side of Block.
Second Barb = Filler Neck on Radiator
Bottom Barb = Lower radiator hose.
(exact same shit dousan said on second post)


Samco hoses are either 36 or 38mm, either way, SPL has the cure for your sickness.

yes,

Thank you very much though

[steve shadows]

Bringing it back up...

Had a question, couldnt you just route the Bottom Nipple back into the cooling system via say...the line from the throttle body for coolant?

Instead of the lower radiator hose?

it goes to the same place on the engine and is still lower than the bleed kneck on the exaust side?

Only diff is the throttle body line is after the Thermostat.

[Wiisass]

You want the lower port of the expansion tank going into the suction side of the water pump. So that would be the lower rad hose.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Here is my contribution

This is on the Atlantic car I helped to build.
You can see there is three blue lines, one went to the back of the block, one went to the radiator and one went to the swirl pot.
There is also a big hose covered in fire sleeve that goes to the lower radiator hose, and another that goes from the rad cap to the overflow tank.

[MavericStephenc]

well i was looking into an expansion tank but the tread made me tak a quick look at my s14 and i noticed that i seem to have one its on the ight of the radiator and it fairly small. also its a completly stock s14 sr when i buy my expansion tank should i run it off this or can i get rid of the "stock" peice

i'll post a pic wheni get home from the garage or if anyone knows what i am talking about please post a pic and help thanks

[seekanddestroy]

[QUOTE=tknbkthrsdy4anfg]Here is my contribution



Mmmm duratec.

[EchoOfSilence]

Ugh. i hate that name.
please call it an MZR

anyway, I saw champ car atlantic @ san jose GP... those things scream so hard
how did you get to work on those?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

My boss owned a team
Yea Cosworth engine code > Ford/ Mazda

[steve shadows]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

You want the lower port of the expansion tank going into the suction side of the water pump. So that would be the lower rad hose.

I know that.]

I was suggesting putting the line ont one of the nippels just behind the the thermostat that goes to the throttle body instead.

[seekanddestroy]

So:

Wouldn't it work if you just did it like this: (rather than using an awesome 19 extra hoses)

Remove the lower rubber seal from the radiator cap, so coolant can flow from the nipple out, hose to the upper area of a sealed coolant resevoir, with a pressure release CAP... then there will be a hose coming off the bottom of that into the lower rad hose (or any suction section of plumbing)

The only thing id be worried about is that the nipple on the rad is so high... I know on VW's which use a OEM system like this the nipple is on the end of the top endtank

[seekanddestroy]

Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

Ugh. i hate that name.
please call it an MZR

Well, considering you most likely wont ever get your hands on a Cosworth motor, I'd stick to Duratec.