2014/2015 NBA Season Thread

[iRONDONkey]

cavs head coach is a legit potato.

[theronin]

Originally Posted by iRONDONkey

cavs head coach is a legit potato.

Blatt is the kind of guy that orders mail order brides.

[iRONDONkey]

poor lebron

his team is trash once again. and the coach has yet to have any play that isn't based around lebron. sucks that everyone is going to talk about his 2-6 finals record.

[greddy2die]

Originally Posted by DeMarre Caroll

THE DIFFERENCE IS SIMPLE: TEAM BALL...

Unfortunately for LeBron its quite true. Without other players really stepping up & the burden sitting on his shoulders because hes the "best player in the league" the Cav's wont win the series. LeBron with yet another triple double and it didnt matter.

[ZenkiKid]

Originally Posted by iRONDONkey

poor lebron

his team is trash once again. and the coach has yet to have any play that isn't based around lebron. sucks that everyone is going to talk about his 2-6 finals record.

Blatt is a complete idiot with managing minutes. Hes only rotating what, 7 players if that?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ZenkiKid

Blatt is a complete idiot with managing minutes. Hes only rotating what, 7 players if that?

Reminds me of Thibs.

I guess he just doesn't trust the bench.

I've said it many times.

What's better an exhausted starter who is playing like shit and sucking wind....

Or a pumped up bench player desperate for minutes?

[ZenkiKid]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Reminds me of Thibs.

I guess he just doesn't trust the bench.

I've said it many times.

What's better an exhausted starter who is playing like shit and sucking wind....

Or a pumped up bench player desperate for minutes?

I knew Blatt was an idiot when he had Kyrie out there for 40+ min knowing he had a bum knee. We all saw what ended up happening there.

[theronin]

Been kicking this idea around for a while when watching the games.

I think Cleveland actually benefitted from not having Love or Kyrie. Now now don't go all apeshit on me, hear me out. Love is laughable on D and imo Kyrie isn't that great either. Would have been a much more offense oriented team. And I think we can all agree that GS would win easily in that kind of contest. Delly was dogging Curry for 2.5 games and made his life hell. He didn't have to worry about offense and just put all he had into D. Just my 2 cents. Feel free to rip me to shreds.

[Kallixtos]

Clippers traded for Stephenson. Wonder if thats gonna work out... He didnt so well in Charlotte

[zooopreme]

I've already come to terms with the Warriors taking it all this year. I'll even go as far as to say that if they've got a shot at repeating if they can find a replacement for Bogut and/or Green.

Originally Posted by hscalixto

Clippers traded for Stephenson. Wonder if thats gonna work out... He didnt so well in Charlotte

It's not lol...jk

But in all seriousness, I think the veteran presence combined with the relative success by the Clippers may sway his mindset. I can see him putting up near Indiana numbers when healthy.

[iRONDONkey]

GSW closing out the series tonight.

bogut is a very good center lol

they are a full basketball team. kinda like the hawks of the west, except they have superstars.

[Goofs]

Yeah I think it's over tonight.

Anyone else feel that this whole season was kind of shitty?

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by iRONDONkey

bogut is a very good center lol

they are a full basketball team. kinda like the hawks of the west, except they have superstars.

And where did anybody say he wasn't? Just a few posts above/early in the series, I came to his defense.

The reason why I said they need to replace him is due to his injuries and injury prone nature. With big guys available this off season, they should look into finding a center that can stay on the floor and not in a suit on the bench. With the way the league's style is shifting, a defensive presence is all they really need.

Green is a FA this off season, he'd be a fool to leave but if they take it all this year, he may just want to ride the lifestyle and not prioritize winning first.

Didn't think I would have to explain my statement but I forgot some fans are very sensitive to the way things are said.

Originally Posted by Goofs

Yeah I think it's over tonight.

Anyone else feel that this whole season was kind of shitty?

More than anything, the season turned a corner.

If the Warriors win, it's going to bring a new dynamic to the NBA which guys like D'Antoni have tried for so many years. I prefer watching post play and playing inside THEN out but as Kenny Smith once said "the league is a copy cat league" so with GS looking like sure winners, expect to see a demand for guards that can handle the ball, (spot up) shooters, and guys like Draymond Green.

Steve Kerr and his coaching staff should and deserve all of the credit for this year's run. It's looking like the age of the old big man is over. I hoped the Grizz would bring it back but the results speak for itself.

[Kallixtos]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

And where did anybody say he wasn't? Just a few posts above/early in the series, I came to his defense.

The reason why I said they need to replace him is due to his injuries and injury prone nature. With big guys available this off season, they should look into finding a center that can stay on the floor and not in a suit on the bench. With the way the league's style is shifting, a defensive presence is all they really need.

Green is a FA this off season, he'd be a fool to leave but if they take it all this year, he may just want to ride the lifestyle and not prioritize winning first.

Didn't think I would have to explain my statement but I forgot some fans are very sensitive to the way things are said.



More than anything, the season turned a corner.

If the Warriors win, it's going to bring a new dynamic to the NBA which guys like D'Antoni have tried for so many years. I prefer watching post play and playing inside THEN out but as Kenny Smith once said "the league is a copy cat league" so with GS looking like sure winners, expect to see a demand for guards that can handle the ball, (spot up) shooters, and guys like Draymond Green.

Steve Kerr and his coaching staff should and deserve all of the credit for this year's run. It's looking like the age of the old big man is over. I hoped the Grizz would bring it back but the results speak for itself.

I agree adding Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan could bring that defensive presence. They wouldnt take much if anything from the offensive end.


I dont agree with all the credit going to the coaching staff...did they have an enormous impact? Of course. They added defense on top of a run and gun offense D'Antoni had minor success with.


But could this be possible without Curry? The ability to knock down a contested shot consistently makes a huge difference, a three at that...so could you make the same statement with no Curry? Would they be in this position without him?

Dont forget they lost twice because Steph wasnt making that shot.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

I've already come to terms with the Warriors taking it all this year. I'll even go as far as to say that if they've got a shot at repeating if they can find a replacement for Bogut and/or Green.

I wouldn't replace Green unless you're shifting him to SF and find a good sized athletic PF like a young Amare with defense (Anthony Davis would fit that role perfectly, but that's a pipe dream), but I do agree that Bogut could be upgraded.

I like the toughness Bogut brings (generally being an asshole, pushing, hitting, and slapping opposing teams players and not taking shit from anybody... must be an Australian thing) and he's at least competent on offense, but he is injury prone and I think a more athletic defensive center will help.

I'm also not sure if management would want to mess with a winning formula since Green and Bogut play well together defensively.

Originally Posted by hscalixto

I agree adding Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan could bring that defensive presence. They wouldnt take much if anything from the offensive end.

I was talking about these exact same thing to my coworker yesterday about these two guys. A more athletic defensive center should help.

Jordon would be nice, but he's kind of dumb as far as basketball IQ goes, he can't create his own shot, and I don't want other teams using hack-a-jordon. Tyson Chandler is a little smarter, but older.

I think Bogut is a little bit better offensively than both. He was trying to develop some sort of offensive game to add to his defense when he was with the Bucks.

I just don't know who could be obtained to replace what Bogut brings. I don't want a soft center... Maybe DeMarcus Cousins, but that's another pipe dream and I think he prefers the half court (George Karl wants to trade Cousins and get Ty Lawson back so he can get a running team in Sacramento).

Originally Posted by hscalixto

I dont agree with all the credit going to the coaching staff...did they have an enormous impact? Of course. They added defense on top of a run and gun offense D'Antoni had minor success with.

YES! The difference between D'Antoni's run and gun and Golden State is DEFENSE. I think Kerr, being a part of the Phoenix and Spurs organizations, learned from his experiences and combined a little bit of both organization's styles to refine the formula with GS. No way you can win with a D'Antoni or Don Nelson style of all offense/no defense run and gun.

Originally Posted by hscalixto

But could this be possible without Curry? The ability to knock down a contested shot consistently makes a huge difference, a three at that...so could you make the same statement with no Curry? Would they be in this position without him?

Possibly.. maybe this formula only works with Curry, but there's no other player like him.

[Corbic]

Brutal.


Was hoping this went to 7. Now what am I going to do.

[iRONDONkey]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Brutal.


Was hoping this went to 7. Now what am I going to do.

im still proud of myself for making that bet on GSW winning the WCF, back in Nov, 2014.

i am betting on the bulls winning ECF for the next season. their new head coach is honestly the missing piece of the pie. they have the full team, they just need the X factor.

[acslater9]

Well now I'm just interested in what the Bulls are going to do in the off season.

[Kallixtos]

Originally Posted by acslater9

Well now I'm just interested in what the Bulls are going to do in the off season.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2...nt-offer-sheet

Very unlikely with the amount of money he would be leaving going to a different team...but itd be pretty awesome for us Laker fans.

Excited for the draft and next season.

[zooopreme]

Congrats to Mark Jackson and Mike D'Antoni on their contributions to this championship for the Warriors. Well deserved.

Originally Posted by acslater9

Well now I'm just interested in what the Bulls are going to do in the off season.

Well...Jimmy is probably not going to leave. The whole "I'm down for a short term deal with the Lakers" thing is just an agent move to get the organization on their heels.

Regardless of what the new coach is planning on implementing, I think the Bulls should bolster their bench.

[Gnnr]

Congrats to the Warriors! Iggy with a well deserved MVP! So happy!

[DenkiMan!]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Congrats to the Warriors! Iggy with a well deserved MVP! So happy!

well deserved? no. he only got it because he kept LeBron under 50pts, which says a lot about the definition of MVP's in the LBJ era lol

Andre Iguodala Is Worst NBA Finals MVP In Last 30 Years

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

well deserved? no. he only got it because he kept LeBron under 50pts, which says a lot about the definition of MVP's in the LBJ era lol

Andre Iguodala Is Worst NBA Finals MVP In Last 30 Years

Had Lebron actually scored 50 pts in all the games, Cavs would have probably won games 1 and 6, and the championship. Notice the article mentions last year's finals MVP who also limited Lebron's scoring.

Defense.

[DenkiMan!]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Had Lebron actually scored 50 pts in all the games, Cavs would have probably won games 1 and 6, and the championship. Notice the article mentions last year's finals MVP who also limited Lebron's scoring.

Defense.

The last part of my sentence addresses that. To reiterate, defense against the most dangerous player on the court is now apparently more important that the offensive impact someone puts on the game, which wasn't really the case in the past. That's why Kawhi Leonard won it last year, he guarded LBJ really well and was still able to impact the offensive end better than Iggy. Also did you see the Game Score section? It's actually a pretty reliable metric and Iggy had the lowest score since the mid 80's. Again, my dispute with him winning the MVP is a more numbers based dispute.

I just have an issue with giving the MVP to anyone who can sort of guard Lebron, regardless of what they offensively contributed

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Oh, let me guess, you thought Steph Curry should have gotten it? I love Steph, but him and Klay regressed in the Finals. Iggy's fingerprint and will was imposed on the series more than those two.

I think Curry's presence was more imposing if you look at it from the Warrior's offense. They structured it around always having an open shooter if he isn't open. That's why Iggy had a decent game 6, he had wide open looks because people were too focused on the actual offensive presence on the court, which is just great coaching I have nothing to really say to that. Klay really didn't do much in my opinion, he was just sort of there.

Also understand Curry got NO votes - which you have to admit is a bit strange. The definition of Most Valuable Player means without that certain person on the floor, there would have been absolutely no winnable scenarios at all. I think with some offensive restructuring (including but not limited to letting Curry fire it from anywhere he wants) they still could have done it without Iggy - and yes providing Irving and Love would still be injured

Originally Posted by Hatemy7

Cavs fans are really butt hurt.


The warriors did exactly what they were supposed to do. Let lebron do what he wants ( since you cant guard him and the refs call ghost calls ) and stop everyone else. Iggy is the MVP due to the fact that he changed the outcome of the finals. Steve Kerr truly out coached Cavs coach. Went big when starters were resting and went small on starters.

I'm not even a Cavs fan tbh. And you may have a point by saying they let LBJ do what he wanted but honestly....who else did they have to focus on? The Cavs bench is non-existent. JR Smith scored 4 points in game 5 and Shumpert is remarkably inconsistent. I think it's the other way around, let Iggy deal with James and help when he needs it and sort of monitor everyone else because there wasn't a scoring presence besides James at all. He scored half the Cavs points on multiple occasions...

I totally agree with the out coaching aspect, the Cavs were 100% outcoached - but this isn't a MVC award, it's a MVP award. And there are few coaches in history who could have actually done much with the current Cavs roster, especially without Love and Irving. I usually go by numbers when considering MVP candidates, and Iggy doesn't fit the bill with me. James brought it this far almost by himself, to say he didn't would be stupid and that's why in my eyes he made a more intense effort in my - albeit unpopular - opinion.

[Hatemy7]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

The last part of my sentence addresses that. To reiterate, defense against the most dangerous player on the court is now apparently more important that the offensive impact someone puts on the game, which wasn't really the case in the past. That's why Kawhi Leonard won it last year, he guarded LBJ really well and was still able to impact the offensive end better than Iggy. Also did you see the Game Score section? It's actually a pretty reliable metric and Iggy had the lowest score since the mid 80's. Again, my dispute with him winning the MVP is a more numbers based dispute.

I just have an issue with giving the MVP to anyone who can sort of guard Lebron, regardless of what they offensively contributed




I think Curry's presence was more imposing if you look at it from the Warrior's offense. They structured it around always having an open shooter if he isn't open. That's why Iggy had a decent game 6, he had wide open looks because people were too focused on the actual offensive presence on the court, which is just great coaching I have nothing to really say to that. Klay really didn't do much in my opinion, he was just sort of there.

Also understand Curry got NO votes - which you have to admit is a bit strange. The definition of Most Valuable Player means without that certain person on the floor, there would have been absolutely no winnable scenarios at all. I think with some offensive restructuring (including but not limited to letting Curry fire it from anywhere he wants) they still could have done it without Iggy - and yes providing Irving and Love would still be injured




I'm not even a Cavs fan tbh. And you may have a point by saying they let LBJ do what he wanted but honestly....who else did they have to focus on? The Cavs bench is non-existent. JR Smith scored 4 points in game 5 and Shumpert is remarkably inconsistent. I think it's the other way around, let Iggy deal with James and help when he needs it and sort of monitor everyone else because there wasn't a scoring presence besides James at all. He scored half the Cavs points on multiple occasions...

I totally agree with the out coaching aspect, the Cavs were 100% outcoached - but this isn't a MVC award, it's a MVP award. And there are few coaches in history who could have actually done much with the current Cavs roster, especially without Love and Irving. I usually go by numbers when considering MVP candidates, and Iggy doesn't fit the bill with me. James brought it this far almost by himself, to say he didn't would be stupid and that's why in my eyes he made a more intense effort in my - albeit unpopular - opinion.

I agree what you said bro. seriously.

I see what you are talking about and def agree. His numbers were def not the best but I guess he got it for being the spark that the team needed.

Overall it was a good series.

I still believe even with Irving and Love the cavs would of lost.
Love was non existant in the season n playoffs.

But I will say this. This was THE FIRST TIME ive ever seen lebron so aggressive. The man flat out killed and made his team better.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

well deserved? no. he only got it because he kept LeBron under 50pts, which says a lot about the definition of MVP's in the LBJ era lol

Andre Iguodala Is Worst NBA Finals MVP In Last 30 Years

Oh, let me guess, you thought Steph Curry should have gotten it? I love Steph, but him and Klay regressed in the Finals. Iggy's fingerprint and will was imposed on the series more than those two.

[ZenkiKid]

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

well deserved? no. he only got it because he kept LeBron under 50pts, which says a lot about the definition of MVP's in the LBJ era lol

Andre Iguodala Is Worst NBA Finals MVP In Last 30 Years

Iguodala was the only consistent GSW player in the entire series. Thats why he deserved it.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ZenkiKid

Iguodala was the only consistent GSW player in the entire series. Thats why he deserved it.

Consistently missing free throws...

[Hatemy7]

Cavs fans are really butt hurt.


The warriors did exactly what they were supposed to do. Let lebron do what he wants ( since you cant guard him and the refs call ghost calls ) and stop everyone else. Iggy is the MVP due to the fact that he changed the outcome of the finals. Steve Kerr truly out coached Cavs coach. Went big when starters were resting and went small on starters.

[greddy2die]

On top of that, Iggy provided a great spark multiple times to ignite a run for GSW to help them win some games.