Rota comes through- SSR SP1 Replica's

[SilviaDriver]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

double fake 5 zigens (one fakeness for copying the forged version, and another fakeness for attempting to copy the 5 lug version for the 4 lug crowd) I would choose my cheap ass fake ssr wheels.

one fakeness for copying the forged version. how is it fake? 5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.

another "fakeness" for "copying" the 5lug to make 4lug. how is it copying? so if Nismo made a 4lug version of the LM they are "copying?"

5zigen made a 4lug due to demand

[OptionZero]

I guess the 1-lug Volk TE-37 Mags are knockoffs of the "true" Volk Te-37 5lug.

Hey, all the JGTC cars are running fake wheels!

[VROOOM]

the reason they make forged and cast fno1r's is not everyone wants a super light weight wheel. probably 75% of the people that buy those wheels never even race or care less if they saved 5 pounds a wheel. i had 15x7 forged fno1r's on my old civic and they were nice, weighed less than 10 pounds, but they werent worth the price when i coulda gotten the cast version(i got mine before the cast version came out). if the cast ones are half price than just think how much you more you can spend on your motor, brakes, suspension.

[raen419]

nismo makes 4 lug lm gt4's.
they're just rare as hell stateside.

[FaLKoN240]

It's very simple, for all those that back these wheels. FNO1R-Cs are BETTER SIZED, DESPITE HOW THEY LOOK. They OWN this wheel in terms of sizing and offset. The point that the 5Zigen heads are trying to make on the looks of the wheel is irrevelent, to continously point out that. . . "Well, those wheels are ugly." Is weak.

If you want to pay cheap prices for some cheap looking wheels, then go ahead, we're just offering a FACT.

Yes, I've seen Rota's in real life. Yes, I've seen the pics of the snapped spokes, and NO i wouldn't put them on my car. Once I see a FNO1R-Cs with snapped spokes from NOT hitting a curb and doing auto x then I might clown on FNO1R-Cs.

[kazuo]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

Everybody who keeps suggesting the fno1s for 4 lug are retarded. They look like absolute crap. Theres still a difference between 4 and 5 lug fno1s, the 4 lugs aren't concave, they basically look like a 17 by 7 with a spacer welded on. If i had to choose between fake ssrs and double fake 5 zigens (one fakeness for copying the forged version, and another fakeness for attempting to copy the 5 lug version for the 4 lug crowd) I would choose my cheap ass fake ssr wheels.

Hey, guess what? You're stupid.

Sorry to be so blunt, but the concave face on certain FN01RC wheels does NOT come from the fact that it is 5 lug -- it comes from the fact that the rim is 10" or more in width, with a specific (low) offset.

A width which is simply not available in 4 lug.

Now, please, remove yourself from this discussion as you clearly have no knowledge on the topic whatsoever.

Thank you.

[sLiDewAys]

E-thuggin? haha homie you have NOO IDEA who i am. but like that matters....maybe the 9 can talk for me...

9 inch wide rims i think not. I say we just wait till sometime buys them then see how it looks on the S'serries cars. flushness and just overall look. maybe that will make us speak with our pockets instead of our mouthes. or maybe not

brandon

[lilredstiffy]

rotas arent poor build quality but fake wheels are way gay

id have no problem with rotas if they designed their own wheels, but copying other wheels to a 't' (including fake bolts) is fucking weak

like rocking fake shoes
or all the stores that sell 'fake' vintage clothing now
yuck!
makes things lose their prestigue and value

no more "wow te37s!", instead "are those real or fake?" followed by "what a fag for paying so much, he could have got rotas for $400" or "sweet, te37s are badass"

also rota will probably never make "wide" or "low offset" wheels, who would buy them? 30 guys with 240s?

[ZK]

Originally Posted by lilredstiffy

also rota will probably never make "wide" or "low offset" wheels, who would buy them? 30 guys with 240s?

That is exactly right... only a few people would want them. For them to make a profit, they need to make and sell a lot and need them to be in sizes that fit a wide variety of cars.

I think it's nice that Rota is moving from making FWD and AWD wheels to larger wheels for RWD cars where sizes vary from car to car. So less volume and more cost to produce.

[sLiDewAys]

im supprised they even went 8.5 widthe with 25 offset. most rotas ive seen are 7 width max with like +40 as the lowest offset available

[zenkiDori]

here's some pics for those who don't want to register on another board:

Rota on the left, SSR on the right






personally I would much rather rock these than the FN01R-Cs. First because the 5zigens are on like every 240 and then some, second because I know quite a few people with bent and egged FNs, so quality can't be much better than Rota, if at all. The 10" FNs do look nice, but I don't want to mess with fitting them up front on the FC and I can find much better wheels for the S14.

[TOMY]

Again, i'm sold! Fack that JDM $5000 per wheel bullish! I don't give a shit! If they look good, they look good. I don't care who makes them. I don't need to lose 20 lbs so i can think i'm faster. Its like buying Nike Shox and you suck at running the 500. Your still gonna lose.

[DoriftoSlut]

They are the same shape, Maybe. But the finish on them looks rattle-canned and gay. Cool, go buy those wheels so i can make fun of you. If they made 17/18x9.5 +12, 17/18x10.5 +15 then i would say "Cool".

[dvdevo]

Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

They are the same shape, Maybe. But the finish on them looks rattle-canned and gay.

HA! i agree with you on that, they do look pretty ghetto.

The wheels look pretty good. I don't know why there are so many haters in here. You're in a thread for REPLICA wheels and expect that the priority of the people interested is offset and quality. I dont know how many of you acually see a difference between +30 offset or +10 offset but i'm that most of you can't. So back off if you're not interested because this is not your thread. Would you goto a honda meet just to bash on everyone? Would you goto a eclipse meet just to say they're all a bunch of ricers? I doubt it because you would just be wasting your time. Move along people.

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally Posted by dvdevo

I dont know how many of you acually see a difference between +30 offset or +10 offset but i'm that most of you can't.

Hmm.. well a 20mm difference is pretty big. Almost a full inch. I would agree with you fi you siad a difference of, say, 3mm... But fuck yes you can see a 20mm difference plain as day!

[Gangsta_S14]

Originally Posted by SoCalSilvia

D2 compared to SSR Professor SP1

You are correct that the wheel on the right is a Work wheel but it looks more like a Work Termist S1C and not a Work Meister S1C. The Meisters have more of a curve to their spokes (Termist has a flatter spoke) and the Meisters cost a tad than the Termists (BTW Work doesn't make the Termist S1C's anymore, either)

[dvdevo]

Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

Hmm.. well a 20mm difference is pretty big. Almost a full inch. I would agree with you fi you siad a difference of, say, 3mm... But fuck yes you can see a 20mm difference plain as day!

i think i said the wrong word, i meant feel the difference. sorry. But yeah seeing of course will be a big difference.

[DoriftoSlut]

You can feel that difference too. On my R33 GTR wheels (17x9 +30) i run spacers (20mm). One day someone was borrowing my spacers and I had to drive on the 17x9 +30s in rear. Normally they would have been +10. Drifting with the narrower rear track felt way different. Not as much grip when the car is loaded and on throttle. Or off throttle for that matter.

20mm isn't too much but in terms of suspension geometry and load/forces an almost 2 inch increase in rear track is VERY substantial (20mm per side, 40mm overall increase. or about 1.6 inches total track increase).

Spoken from theory and more importantly, EXPERIENCE.

[dvdevo]

well i'm not saying you cant, but i'm sure half of the offset whores out there can't.

[<^> ^_^ <^>]

does anybody have pics of them on a 240? preferably a s13?

[that180guy]

point of the matter is any cast wheel will break. doesnt matter who made em, or how they made em. casted will crack or bend upon stress. ive seend fn's tore up, ive seen teh rotas tore up.

whats ur point?
awwwww...the offset is weaksauce?
booofucking whooo, get spacers. whatabout all you ppl going zmog! r33 wheels!! to know that with outspacers theyd be sucken ass battleships.
finish issss pretty weak sauce tho.

but quit yer hating, n mosely along and let us "Fools" rock which ever wheels we wish. and i shall purchase these badboys wen i have money.
and i still stand by the fact that 17x8.5 + 25 is a pretty decent sizing

[driftsilvias13]

so who sells these? or where can i get them?

[Omarius Maximus]

Kazuo, your a moron.

Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 4 lug pattern? NO
Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 5 lug pattern? YES

Then to me, an owner of a 4 lug 240, the lug pattern is more relevent than the 10 inch width, which like you said is only available in 5 lug.

Please stop trying to pick apart my posts, douche bag.

[Omarius Maximus]

Hey SilviaDriver, lets cut and paste, shall we?
Original:
5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.
My version:
Rota made the (fake professors) for poeple whom want the look of the Professor SP1s but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a one piece. companies do that all the time.
This is what makes the fn01r-c's fake, stop trying to mutate my opinion.

[Ritz S14]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

Hey SilviaDriver, lets cut and paste, shall we?
Original:
5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.
My version:
Rota made the (fake professors) for poeple whom want the look of the Professor SP1s but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a one piece. companies do that all the time.
This is what makes the fn01r-c's fake, stop trying to mutate my opinion.

The difference between real and knockoffs

5zigen = 5zigen

Work /= Rota

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally Posted by that180guy

point of the matter is any cast wheel will break. doesnt matter who made em, or how they made em. casted will crack or bend upon stress. ive seend fn's tore up, ive seen teh rotas tore up.

whats ur point?
awwwww...the offset is weaksauce?
booofucking whooo, get spacers. whatabout all you ppl going zmog! r33 wheels!! to know that with outspacers theyd be sucken ass battleships.
finish issss pretty weak sauce tho.

but quit yer hating, n mosely along and let us "Fools" rock which ever wheels we wish. and i shall purchase these badboys wen i have money.
and i still stand by the fact that 17x8.5 + 25 is a pretty decent sizing

Except R33 GTR wheels are 17x9 (minimum size i would ever run on a car). Offset, is yeah not the greatest, but its a design that still looks good and we never had a 17x9.5 -23 version to compare to the +30 (because its just an OEM wheel). In that respect, its like a... take it for what it is... OEM, FORGED, and for some reason DAMN good looking on every car its on from FC3S to S14 to JZX100 to R32s. (the only cars i don't like them on are R33 GTRS haha).

Ok well you guys are bonered about this 17x8.5 +25. Meh... i wouldn't rock it, but shiiit if it looked good, why not. This is where i don't like the Rotas. IF IT LOOKED GOOD. I would never go out and spend my cash getting a 2 peice (or... "fake" 2 peice) wheel in those sizes. The design of the Meister S1/Professors allows for modularity so you can have deep lip and wide widths without changing ll the casting tools, all you do is assemble the wheel with different rim outers.

So, like I said about a 17x9 +30 vs a 17x9.5 -23 BNR33 GTR wheel, one would probably loo INSANELY good. But it will never be made, so we'll never know. The Professors on the other hand, ARE made in 17x8.5 +25 AND 17x9.5 -23 so there IS a direct correlation and there IS a comparison at hand. And the 17x8.5 +25s SUCK and look like arse.

I dunno... on a Scion or something, these wheels might not look too bad. I think that's the market they are going for, since its the most popular new car to customize, and i've seen a Scion xA done up like a Team Orange MSports car rocking some Professors. Looked ok. So, THAT's Rotas market, thus their sizing (widebody Scions can take a 17x8.5 +25... to them, that IS an 18x10.5 -15 to us, ya know)

In conclusion, its your own car, do what youw ant with it, but just know that IMO it will look very bad. Even if you rock a huge spacer and have some over fenders, the design of the wheel makes it look FWD and not performance or VIP. But hey what do i know, i just design cars. And wheels. (which are really easy... so it boggles my mind that companies have really ugly wheels).

[Omarius Maximus]

Brand doesn't matter to me. A copy is a copy. Its not the first time 5zigen has done this. They did it with the old Copse or corpse or whatever the hell the name of that wheel was.
It's even worse in my opinion, cause you think your getting the same quality wheel since it's the same manufacturer, but there is a huge difference between expensive 5zigen and cheap 5zigen.

[zenkiDori]

For a lot of people(including me) who have limited budgets and multiple cars it's a question of buying used and rashed JDM hawtness or new knockoffs. I'll probably buy the knockoffs. If you don't like the wheels, that's cool, don't buy them.

[kazuo]

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

Kazuo, your a moron.

Pot, meet kettle.

Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 4 lug pattern? NO
Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 5 lug pattern? YES

Then to me, an owner of a 4 lug 240, the lug pattern is more relevent than the 10 inch width, which like you said is only available in 5 lug.

Please stop trying to pick apart my posts, douche bag.

Douchebag, very creative.

So, in other words, you won't buy the 4-lug 17x9 +20 FN01RC because the face is not concave, am I correct? Or is it that you want a 10" wide wheel and not a 9" wide wheel in four lug?

Please explain your reasoning so I dont have to pick apart your posts.

[TougeRacing]

people who want knockoffs in general only encourage companies to keep copying. copys are lame and only make the legit business' lose money and buyers. i mean sure theyre expensive but you get what you pay for. supporting this trash makes you RICE! if your gonna do something to your car do it right. dont be a cheap poser.

"To our loyal customers and new ones, we strongly urge you all to purchase AUTHENTIC aero parts! For many years, America has been the breeding ground for "Knock-Off" body kits. We at Vertex USA, strongly recommend for you to stay away from such kits. These kits HURT the economy and your pocket in the long run. Durability and quality suffer with these COPY CAT kits. In addition, hurt new products from Japan debuting in the United States. So always buy REAL and SAY NO TO KNOCK OFFS!!! " http://www.vertexaerokits.com/about.html

^^ an example what copies do, i know its not about rims but the same would apply.

just my view on it. im sure you guys have your opinions about whether its poser or not so dont get all defensive about what i say. have fun everyone!