Donald Trump For President

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by VNG704

He's not a bad guy for doing stormy. He's bad guy that did stormy. Also, I must've missed how she's celebrated as any legend, or at all. The Donald's def not what I would consider alpha either, but that's just my own opinion apparently.

Word of advice. Don't feel the trolls.....

He was pinked for several months for a reason

[feito]

He doesn't agree with my political views: he's a troll, a bigot, a nazi.

[supersayianjim]

Originally Posted by feito

He doesn't agree with my political views: he's a troll, a bigot, a nazi.

funny how you people use the words "Nazi" so freely. please point to an instance where he has gassed/killed any jews?

how is he a bigot? he has dated blacks, is honored by the naacp, he has hired blacks for his companies?

so he is a "troll" for responding to liberal bullies? come better than that...

[supersayianjim]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Word of advice. Don't feel the trolls.....

He was pinked for several months for a reason

who was banned for "several months"?

[supersayianjim]

Originally Posted by VNG704

He's not a bad guy for doing stormy. He's bad guy that did stormy. Also, I must've missed how she's celebrated as any legend, or at all. The Donald's def not what I would consider alpha either, but that's just my own opinion apparently.

snl

cnn

any msm news cover, they have been talking about this whore for the last few months, not the dying kids in yemen or the rampant drug addiction over here, nope lets give a whore mainstream time.

you don't think Donald is a alpha male? that is a personal preference I won't even address that.

you have not produced how he is a "bad guy" but you don't know what an alpha male is either, so carry on.

[feito]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

funny how you people use the words "Nazi" so freely. please point to an instance where he has gassed/killed any jews?

how is he a bigot? he has dated blacks, is honored by the naacp, he has hired blacks for his companies?

so he is a "troll" for responding to liberal bullies? come better than that...

I was actually being sarcastic about the first comment on this page.
I actually agree with most of your points.

[VNG704]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

snl

cnn

any msm news cover, they have been talking about this whore for the last few months, not the dying kids in yemen or the rampant drug addiction over here, nope lets give a whore mainstream time.

you don't think Donald is a alpha male? that is a personal preference I won't even address that.

you have not produced how he is a "bad guy" but you don't know what an alpha male is either, so carry on.

It's the news. It sells. Are you surprised? I won't defend them. They all do that stuff. But I'd hardly call that celebration of a legend.

He may be considered an alpha by some obviously, but to me, he's no more than a fake alpha. A leader by name only but not a true alpha. No one that's that into themselves can be a true alpha.

If at this point I have to tell you how he's bad, then there's no point as you've dismissed everything already anyways.

[gbaby2089]

If Trump isn't a racist why did he face many law suits for not renting to black men & women?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, how are there very fine folks on both sides when Nazis murder a protestor?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he back down from every single person who actually confronts him?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he pretend to be his own publicist to talk himself up?




Stormy Daniels is not a hero. Stormy Daniels is an adult who made a choice to have intimate sexual relations with Donald J. Trump. She is not a whore/slut/whatever, Donald Trump made the conscious choice to have sex with her, while his wife was home with their newborn child. While that is an immoral choice in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy, nor does it mean he is not fit for office.

Everything else surrounding that situation (and literally everything else he's done), that's what has informed me he is entirely unfit for office.

[EDacIouSX]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

If Trump isn't a racist why did he face many law suits for not renting to black men & women?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, how are there very fine folks on both sides when Nazis murder a protestor?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he back down from every single person who actually confronts him?

If Trump is an alpha, why does he pretend to be his own publicist to talk himself up?




Stormy Daniels is not a hero. Stormy Daniels is an adult who made a choice to have intimate sexual relations with Donald J. Trump. She is not a whore/slut/whatever, Donald Trump made the conscious choice to have sex with her, while his wife was home with their newborn child. While that is an immoral choice in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy, nor does it mean he is not fit for office.

Everything else surrounding that situation (and literally everything else he's done), that's what has informed me he is entirely unfit for office.

[gbaby2089]

Good response.

Please disprove any of my statements above.

[feito]

hahahaha, i can only imagine what a joy it must be for a bunch of you to wake up every day knowing that trump's your president haha. Wait... Any day now, right? Lol
Mods, can we change the title to something like "lefties whining about the president" or something like that? Shit, it's starting to feel like DU in here....

[gbaby2089]

hahaha, i can only imagine what a joy it must be to vote for a president when you don't have even the most basic understanding of politics, government or history. Mods, can we change the title to something like "maroons bragging about their failures" or something like that? Shit, it's starting to feel like /r/incels in here...

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to ban Muslims from entering the country?

If Trump isn't a racist, why is he working so hard to prevent latin americans from entering the country?

Muslims from select countries for a finite period of time. Obama did this too.

Stricter immigration policies and more deportation. Obama did this too. In fact, not too long ago, Obama, Hillary, Schumer, and more were adamantly for stricter immigration.

You can be complacent one minute, then outraged the next

Not saying I support these decisions, but there needs to be consistency.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I disagree with a lot of HRC's politics, she's much too conservative for my tastes.

I don't think conservative means what you think it means

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

tlieberman240 my apologies. I will walk back my statement. No problem.

My two questions still apply. Thanks for taking the time. It's just very difficult to get a straight answer from folks outside of Fox News talking points unfortunately

Sorry for the late response. Work has been chaotic. I actually had my response typed out, but I decided to cut it down a lot because I’m sure most wouldn’t read my full response. So, I’ll try and keep it brief. To be fair though, may arguments I see from others are nothing more than CNN, MSNBC, HuffPost, etc talking points.

But honestly, I don't watch Fox. Don't even have cable lol. Rarely even go to their site for news, because I can't stand Fox.

First, I didn’t vote for Trump. Reason being is because I don't think that he possessed the necessary qualities or attributes that I believe a presidential candidate should have. There are quite a few other candidates from the Republican party I would have preferred.

Second, I believe many people were just voting for who they believed to be the "lesser of two evils". Both candidates were severely flawed. The problem I see, from people of both sides is the hatred that is so easily spewed towards the other. I see so many people on the right immediately calling those with left leaning ideologies things like "libtards", "snowflakes" etc etc, while those on the left calling anybody with right leaning ideologies -especially those who supported Trump- "racist" "hateful" "bigot" "nazi" "white supremacist" etc etc. Neither is productive. Then both just turn around and call each other hypocrits lol.

I have friends/family on both sides of the aisle, politically and they're damned good people. Hard working, intelligent, honest, caring, and courteous. None of them want to see the world burn. Any reasonable citizen wants to see the country succeed and progress; the difference is what method we believe will get us there.

For myself, I believe our government is too corrupt, selfish, lazy, and incompetent, and are often incapable of handling their already given responsibility; thus, I’d prefer if we, as a people, didn’t give them any more. That being said, by political preference is more conservative/libertarian than liberal or progressive.

I only bring this up to be transparent with my political views. Now, onto HRC.

Few things I disliked. First, the “basket of deplorable” statement. Divisive, and goes back to what I said above. Are there shitty people who voted for Trump? Absolutely. Are there shitty people who voted for HRC? Absolutely. The vast majority though? Doubtful.

Next, the e-mail scandal. People will roll their eyes about this. I’m not hooked on this, however, my problem is the lack of accountability. The whole “there was no criminal intent” doesn’t stand with me. A sailor was jailed for taking a few photos of a classified area. HRC has an abundance of emails containing classified info on a private server and hardly even a slap on the wrist. The fact that she seems to be above the law is what irritates me. Regardless of who it is, I think people (especially in government) need to be held accountable for their actions.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...iminal-intent/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lear-submarine

Next is the topic of guns. I’m 100% pro 2A. Not a fan of the NRA or any of that nonsense. Though I do believe I have the right to defend myself and my family. HRC seems to have negative views towards the 2A and her proposed method of handling it have seemed to flip flop over the years. That being said, I’d rather not have her in a position which can impact the status of it. I can keep going, but I’ll stop there to keep it brief.

Now, with all of this in mind, I’ll say that Trump really isn’t any better. He’s severely flawed and has said some things much worse. Again, he wasn’t my first choice. Most people have a specific issue or set of issues which they find most important, and vote according to that. For some people, that’s health care issues, to others that’s income tax, to others that’s the 2A, etc etc. That being said, if I HAD to vote for one of the two on election day, I would’ve voted Trump simply because his campaign statements aligned more with what I found important to myself. My candidate didn’t make it passed the primaries though, so that’s that. I was also much more conservative during the elections, but have slowly drifted to being more libertarian.

That’s really it. I believe as though Hillary has obtained the status of being above the law and seems to be untouchable. I think she should be out of public service indefinitely. I hope that better candidates come along for 2020.

At the end of the day though, I think people should just be able to live their own life without the government or “offended” people interfering in everything.

So long as you’re an honest, respectful person who doesn’t have intent to harm me or my friends/family, you’re welcome over at my house any time. We can hang, have a couple drinks, work on cars, shoot the shit, eat some killer food, go to the shooting range, whatever. The instant you want to start insulting me or my family or show hostility/animosity simply because our religious or political views differ though, then you can get lost.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by tlieberman240

I don't think conservative means what you think it means

I know it better than you.

Unless my bookcase full of books on international & domestic politics, political theory & history are all wrong.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I know it better than you.

Unless my bookcase full of books on international & domestic politics, political theory & history are all wrong.

You don't know anything about me but are making claims while putting yourself on a pedestal at the same time.

lol cool.

[gbaby2089]

You said I don't know what conservative is.

I do. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Hillary is not liberal. Hillary is a standard neoliberal, ever so slightly left of center. She is closer to a Republican than she is to me politically.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

You said I don't know what conservative is.

I do. I meant EXACTLY what I said.

Hillary is not liberal. Hillary is a standard neoliberal, ever so slightly left of center. She is closer to a Republican than she is to me politically.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/u...-together.html

Most would disagree. Hillary is quite left. Not the most left. But pretty far.

[gbaby2089]

That link redirects to wayfair?

Obama was too conservative.
HRC was too conservative.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were liberals doesn't know what liberal means.

[tlieberman240]

If Hillary is republican, then Bernie is left-centered.... which is not the case lol. That guy is suuuuuuuper far left

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

That link redirects to wayfair?

Obama was too conservative.
HRC was too conservative.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were liberals doesn't know what liberal means.

Hmmm.

Elaborate then.


EDIT: Different site, but same information pulled from the same source https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/polit...ory/index.html

[gbaby2089]

Too often Americans limit themselves to the "American" versions of liberal & conservative.

For American politics in the post 9/11 world, sure HRC/Obama are 'left of center,' but we're living in an ever more conservative country. Well, governmentally at minimum, even if socially traditionally liberal ideas are more popular than ever before.

Very few democrats are willing to fight for universal health care.
Very few democrats are willing to work to actually make housing, food or college more affordable.
Very few democrats would ever even consider proposing a basic income.
Very few (no?) democrats would ever consider nationalization of industry.
Very few democrats would ever campaign for an actual consolidation of our military.
Very few democrats would ever actually do anything to reduce our prison population (shout out to Philadelphia!)

And on, and on.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Too often Americans limit themselves to the "American" versions of liberal & conservative.

For American politics in the post 9/11 world, sure HRC/Obama are 'left of center,' but we're living in an ever more conservative country. Well, governmentally at minimum, even if socially traditionally liberal ideas are more popular than ever before.

Very few democrats are willing to fight for universal health care.
Very few democrats are willing to work to actually make housing, food or college more affordable.
Very few democrats would ever even consider proposing a basic income.
Very few (no?) democrats would ever consider nationalization of industry.
Very few democrats would ever campaign for an actual consolidation of our military.
Very few democrats would ever actually do anything to reduce our prison population (shout out to Philadelphia!)

And on, and on.

If we're comparing the current state of this country to the history of the rest of the world, then comparitively speaking - yes, you're right.

I'm speaking more on just the present day/recent US.

[Corbic]

The stupid in this thread is unreal.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The stupid in this thread is unreal.

Best response in this thread.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by tlieberman240

If we're comparing the current state of this country to the history of the rest of the world, then comparitively speaking - yes, you're right.

I'm speaking more on just the present day/recent US.

I think that's the issue with a lot of Americans/American voters/American politicians. We forget our place in history, we forget history, we fail to learn from it & always repeat its failures.

All of Trump's policies have been applied in the past, whether within the US or abroad. The results are known. The results are not pretty.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I think that's the issue with a lot of Americans/American voters/American politicians. We forget our place in history, we forget history, we fail to learn from it & always repeat its failures.

All of Trump's policies have been applied in the past, whether within the US or abroad. The results are known. The results are not pretty.

Fair enough.

[SimpleS14]

Any thoughts on Trump's sudden concern with saving jobs in China, days after the Chinese government approved $500M in loans for a Trump Organization project?

IMO, this move may have violated the Emoluments Clause. It also contradicts the "America First" objective.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Any thoughts on Trump's sudden concern with saving jobs in China, days after the Chinese government approved $500M in loans for a Trump Organization project?

IMO, this move may have violated the Emoluments Clause. It also contradicts the "America First" objective.

Well in line with the long standing Trump's Wallet First objective though.