FL 1997 240sx SE 43,000 Miles

[Kingtal0n]

Originally Posted by g35gabby

But the point is, you are selling it for something that is beyond perfect and without defect. It isn't priced like a car that needs new bushings or ball joints, it is priced like something that is a certified pre-owned. That is the point howdy....

a beyond perfect would be showroom kept 0 miles and thats worth something like $20,000 or better. More and more as the years go by.

And it doesnt need bushings or ball joints. It doesn't even need tie rod bellows. It will go 150,000 miles the way it sits. Yeah the TC rods and subframe bushings will fail. And maybe even the shocks. But thats to be expected once it gets up past 100,000 miles. I was only saying "what IF it needed part 1 2 3..." but it does not. 240s tend to weather mileage, and years, very well. Thats one of the things I love about them.

So if you know that people should be servicing things and swapping things out than what genuine value is there to your "all OEM worn out original awesome"? It no longer continues to be "original awesome" if people are going to be having to service all kinds of stuff anyway. so you are just marking it up for what should be a ~6-7k worth of car so that someone can buy a low mile shell of sorts? I mean you understand that the engine, transmission, suspension, and everything else is going to be replaced as you just suggested yourself. Must be the "low miles seats" that you value so high then?

You just need to own a few of these cars to appreciate this one. I've had my share and learned from experience the value is in the chassis, not the engine or transmission or bushings or suspension. There is value in having a clean chassis that you know has not been twisted or bent. That would be worthless if these cars were made EN-MASS, but these are not. There is a rarity aspect here that divulges value based on the ability to find this particular chassis with no modifications. How many Un-Modified 240's are left out there? The pool continues to shrink daily. And when there is only 1 left, whether its got 300,000 miles or 600 miles, it will be priceless. Otherwise, you are left sorting out somebody elses wiring... or whatever

There is no value in fixing a dealerships warn control arm, compared to some hack job's control arm.... yet you still seem to miss that concept. People are trying to get your to grasp that, and yet.... nothing. Maybe someone who write a book about it, o... wait KBB does.... and says even in excellent condition this car is only worth $6065. Not that it is a perfect representation of that, or that KBB is always right. Just that it is at least being closer to real.

I dont want anyone changing anything on my car except me. It depends on the part- thats what determines the degree of a ruined car. A control arm is not as big of a deal as a core support. I'd rather undo a hack job's wiring harness swap than a dented quarter panel. Every piece of the puzzle adds up individually. When a car has never been in an accident, and has never had a new engine or transmission, the FSM should still apply.


This car will go 150,000 miles without changing anything except the oil. Everyone knows the subframe bushings and TC rods are going to fail around 100k. But the car will still drive. It will probably make 200,000 miles or more.

And if I listed it for sale 10-15 years from now with 150,000-200,000 miles, blown shocks and blown subframe bushings and blown TC-rods and leaky power steering, no accidents, with pictures and proof of maintenance, I guarantee that it would fetch $7000 or more, thanks to rarity alone.

So If that is the case, and nobody can disagree with that being the case, why on earth would I let it go for $7000 today? Or even $8000? Or even $10,000? IF I sold for $10,000 today I would basically be giving up 10-15 years of driving a car for $3000 difference in price.

Where else can I lease a car for 10-15 years for $3000?

[Kingtal0n]

entertainment: (not my car I SWEAR please dont arrest me)


And it doesnt end there. IF I care for the chassis properly, Once I hit 150,000 miles I will simply swap in my favorite 240sx daily driver drivetrain: S15 Six speed. I always have one sitting here ready for that time to come. Then, I can drive it for ANOTHER 150,000 miles for ANOTHER 10 years for the cost of a swap (whats that these days, around $3500?) So Again, Another $3500 gets me 10 years of driving. And 30mpg and 280rwhp. And if I take pictures of everything the way I always do, it will not lower the value because you will be able to see the quality of the work input.

Im going out of town over the weekend, but you can all leave your abusive and or creative comments here for dissection at a later date. Thanks for posting everybody.

[JoeyTheKid]

Let everyone hate on it, keeps your thread on the front page guaranteed.

[g35gabby]

Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

a beyond perfect would be showroom kept 0 miles and thats worth something like $20,000 or better. More and more as the years go by.

And it doesnt need bushings or ball joints. It doesn't even need tie rod bellows. It will go 150,000 miles the way it sits. Yeah the TC rods and subframe bushings will fail. And maybe even the shocks. But thats to be expected once it gets up past 100,000 miles. I was only saying "what IF it needed part 1 2 3..." but it does not. 240s tend to weather mileage, and years, very well. Thats one of the things I love about them.





You just need to own a few of these cars to appreciate this one. I've had my share and learned from experience the value is in the chassis, not the engine or transmission or bushings or suspension. There is value in having a clean chassis that you know has not been twisted or bent. That would be worthless if these cars were made EN-MASS, but these are not. There is a rarity aspect here that divulges value based on the ability to find this particular chassis with no modifications. How many Un-Modified 240's are left out there? The pool continues to shrink daily. And when there is only 1 left, whether its got 300,000 miles or 600 miles, it will be priceless. Otherwise, you are left sorting out somebody elses wiring... or whatever





I dont want anyone changing anything on my car except me. It depends on the part- thats what determines the degree of a ruined car. A control arm is not as big of a deal as a core support. I'd rather undo a hack job's wiring harness swap than a dented quarter panel. Every piece of the puzzle adds up individually. When a car has never been in an accident, and has never had a new engine or transmission, the FSM should still apply.


This car will go 150,000 miles without changing anything except the oil. Everyone knows the subframe bushings and TC rods are going to fail around 100k. But the car will still drive. It will probably make 200,000 miles or more.

And if I listed it for sale 10-15 years from now with 150,000-200,000 miles, blown shocks and blown subframe bushings and blown TC-rods and leaky power steering, no accidents, with pictures and proof of maintenance, I guarantee that it would fetch $7000 or more, thanks to rarity alone.

So If that is the case, and nobody can disagree with that being the case, why on earth would I let it go for $7000 today? Or even $8000? Or even $10,000? IF I sold for $10,000 today I would basically be giving up 10-15 years of driving a car for $3000 difference in price.

Where else can I lease a car for 10-15 years for $3000?

lol at a lot of assumptions......

first and for most, I have owned 3 S13s. All purchased unmodified and mint. I paid 1k for a 5spd all original S13 in 2005. I purchased 2 S13 coupes this year with nothing but painted valve covers..... for 3k . I know the platform and there are few who have have the years of experience I have. The idea that I don't grasp or understand how "awesome" this is, is simply incorrect. It is a matter of perspective and what you can get with bigger engines and more potential for the same price (Z33s and G35s for instance).

in 10-15 years it will be neat, it will be a fresh AE86 of today. The difference is in 10-15 years G35s & 350zs will be the Z32 of this era, and R chassis will be street legal antiques. All the while you will still have an automatic KA powered S14, that people will still want simply for the shell, that they will be willing to sort out. Harnesses will be purchasable off the shelf like they are today to sort out others wiring.... and never mind that a Zenki will still be the same shell with different body panels.

You also seem to forget that in 10-15 years BRZs, FRS's, genesis, 1,3, and 5 series BMWs will also be around and relatively cheap with more power and more options than your 240sx. It is a cult car, but it isn't going to be as coveted as say a GNX is today.....

Just keep it, something you believe is so "rare", but oddly enough I see them on the road everyday. 10-15 years from now, there will be less.... but who is going to want it when a BRZ can be had for less, or a 135i?

[jr_ss]

This dude is on drugs, that's the only way to explain his random and wishful thinking. Bath salts are a son of a bitch...

[crzsteveo]

if you have it in 3 or 4 years ill buy it

[S14kouki_10]

Car Sold.. Close thread!


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[JuliaGrammy]

Originally Posted by babowc

240sx are not collector's cars, people.
BTW, you have a scuff on the passenger side bumper, and the bumper/headlights don't seem to line up very well.

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