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bcrume · 09-13-2005, 04:44 PM

I've been trying to decide what coilovers I wanted to buy for months. Today I went to order my DD's and the shop told me they are discontinued and are being replaced by the new sustec seven's but those won't be out until next year :hammer: . I finally have the time to work on my car but all my plans are going up in smoke... I can either sit on my ass and wait until the seven's come out while missing plenty of track time or buy another set of coilovers. Zeal is probably too expensive, JIC's aren't that great when you drive them hard (I have had multiple friends with JIC's and after continuous track time they started to fall apart). Kei office is expensive for the good models and they also recomend that you weld the chassis to make it stiffer which I don't want to do. I've driven on megans and they suck compared to dd's so mr/d2/k-sport are out of the question. If you have any suggestions on what I should get (let me know if zeals are worth the extra money) let me know.

s13irdie2 · 09-13-2005, 04:50 PM

the dd's are being discontinued?!!?! does anyone else know anything about this?

OptionZero · 09-13-2005, 05:07 PM

Posted about this like 2 weeks ago man.

www.more-japan.com

Silk Road
SPL/KTS
HKS
A'pexi

or save up and get the fuckin' Zeals.

The Kei Office ones will work on your chassis, welded or not, jeez.

Dousan_PG · 09-13-2005, 05:17 PM

zeals are rad
but expensive worth it
imo i was going to go either
ZEAL FunctionD, Super Function
Tanabe DD
Cusco 2r
or Apex'i N1 Pro

went w/ dd cheapest
i think if i did ti all over and DD wasnt availble, FunctionD or SuperFucntion (bucko bucks for the latter)

kandyflip445 · 09-13-2005, 07:40 PM

WHAT!?!??!?!!? NOOOOOOO! I wanted to buy them when I got out of boot camp.

I guess I'll have to save up and buy something else. What is the ride like on any of the zeals Dousan?

Dousan_PG · 09-13-2005, 07:51 PM

zeal is nice! i like them
tried superfunction and B6
both were rad
i love em!
functionD is their 'drift' one
got some shit translated on them. seem pretty good. hefty pricetag but zeal has awesome customer support. i know autornd is zeal sellers, cool guys too. tlak w/Josh

Pudula · 09-13-2005, 07:59 PM

Function b6's really transformed my car... they are stiff but aren't unforgiving.

Arsenal of Glory · 09-13-2005, 08:33 PM

yep, and i just sold my Tanabe DD's over the weekend.
from what Tanabe told me was the SEVENS will be a direct replacement for the DD's, same spring rates and the option to go even stiffer! 12/10. Also with the ability to use remote electronic dampening, which is useless i think. the valving is supposed to be a step up from the DD's also, something about indenpently variable speed senstivity. The only thing holding me back is they arent using the casing design for the SEVENS as they did with the DD's!

Zeals are awesome in every way imaginable except for the worst bracket design ever. It's waaaaayyyy too short.

bcrume · 09-13-2005, 08:32 PM

auto rnd is gonna sponsor my homeboy's evo and are gonna give him half off on some zeal's but from the experiances I've had with them on other parts, they aren't the lowest price in town. I guess I'll stop by auto rnd this week and see what the zeals go for and make a decision from there. If they're willing wheel and deal then I'll probably get the zeals. I really want the dd's, if they won't come down then I'll probably buy something used that'll get me by for a couple month's then buy the seven's.

bcrume · 09-13-2005, 08:41 PM

does anyone know when the apex'i n1 evo drift's are gonna be available?

bcrume · 09-13-2005, 08:52 PM

has anyone used the tein drift spec? I know the HE's haven't got great reviews but haven't heard much about the drift spec...

OptionZero · 09-14-2005, 11:26 AM

the sevens are gonna more expensive than the DDs , but not sure how much yet

Arsenal of Glory · 09-14-2005, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

the sevens are gonna more expensive than the DDs , but not sure how much yet

retail price will be the same of the DD's.

bcrume · 09-14-2005, 04:04 PM

actually I think it's gonna be cheaper, msrp on dd's is $1980 and for the new ones coming out on october 5th they're gonna be $1780 but there is no date on when the s13 and s14's will come out

OptionZero · 09-14-2005, 05:01 PM

Why do companies insist on coming out with new shit when their old shit is perfectly good?

A'pexi n1 pro--> Evolution series
Bride--> new bride
Tanabe DD---> Super/Function/7 thingie

MadScientist · 09-14-2005, 05:32 PM

HKS Hiper Ds are awsome... the Yashio Factory Coilovers are basically re-colored Hyper Ds. Got a basically brand new set off Yahoo Japan. Cost is about the same as Zeal Function D.

Peace
Drew

A Spec Products · 09-14-2005, 05:48 PM

tanabe is coming out with the Seven series because they are trying to IMPROVE their lineup.

the seven is gonna have electronic dampening control that can be preset and adjusts on the fly depending on speed.

also, the valving of the suspension is totally different than what the DD was.

on other brands of coilovers (specifically the "cheap" 32 way adjustable coilovers), they promise 32 way adjustment but don't pack as much punch as the sevens will. the shock dyno chart above shows the seven (in red) versus another brand on the market (in green).

an analogy is that with the other brand its like getting 50 cents in pennies
while with the sevens you get a dollar in nickels.

the sevens will not be a "drift" or "grip" coilover, but will have a broad range from hard to soft, much greater than the other coilovers on the market. therefore, you won't be limited to your type of driving whether it be track one day and the next minute driving home with comfort.

the spring rates will be 10/8kg and 12/10kg. still kyb obviously, so they aren't downgrading their materials or production methods.

and the reason why many companies are coming out with new things (many of them with more "affordable" options) is because the current market does not support the high quality stuff. that's a whole 'nother discussion though.

TurDz · 09-14-2005, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

Why do companies insist on coming out with new shit when their old shit is perfectly good?

A'pexi n1 pro--> Evolution series
Bride--> new bride
Tanabe DD---> Super/Function/7 thingie

the same reason why the majority of successful companies do it, its profitable.

Think of how someone here recently mentioned how Apple keeps discontinuing their old line of iPods so people are forced to buy the new ones.

OptionZero · 09-14-2005, 06:29 PM

It still sucks.

bcrume · 09-15-2005, 02:39 AM

The guys at auto rnd were telling me that for anything other than hot laps I should stay away from shocks that are needle valved because they'll get hot much quicker. DD's are needle valved but I still want them as/f.kgmsd;'flkhms'h. Does anyone know when the apex'i n1 drift's are gonna come out. I'm still exploring my options. This is the most important piece of equipment on my car and I can't make a decision. And it totally sucks because I need something now!

09-13-2005, 04:44 PM	#1
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tanabe DD's are dead I've been trying to decide what coilovers I wanted to buy for months. Today I went to order my DD's and the shop told me they are discontinued and are being replaced by the new sustec seven's but those won't be out until next year :hammer: . I finally have the time to work on my car but all my plans are going up in smoke... I can either sit on my ass and wait until the seven's come out while missing plenty of track time or buy another set of coilovers. Zeal is probably too expensive, JIC's aren't that great when you drive them hard (I have had multiple friends with JIC's and after continuous track time they started to fall apart). Kei office is expensive for the good models and they also recomend that you weld the chassis to make it stiffer which I don't want to do. I've driven on megans and they suck compared to dd's so mr/d2/k-sport are out of the question. If you have any suggestions on what I should get (let me know if zeals are worth the extra money) let me know.

09-13-2005, 04:50 PM	#2
s13irdie2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: southern cali Age: 38 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the dd's are being discontinued?!!?! does anyone else know anything about this? __________________ 1990 s13 IslandMotorsports, Inc.

09-13-2005, 05:17 PM	#4
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	zeals are rad but expensive worth it imo i was going to go either ZEAL FunctionD, Super Function Tanabe DD Cusco 2r or Apex'i N1 Pro went w/ dd cheapest i think if i did ti all over and DD wasnt availble, FunctionD or SuperFucntion (bucko bucks for the latter) __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

09-13-2005, 07:40 PM	#5
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 40 Posts: 4,460 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	WHAT!?!??!?!!? NOOOOOOO! I wanted to buy them when I got out of boot camp. I guess I'll have to save up and buy something else. What is the ride like on any of the zeals Dousan? __________________ My 240 vBgarage

09-13-2005, 07:51 PM	#6
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 46 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	zeal is nice! i like them tried superfunction and B6 both were rad i love em! functionD is their 'drift' one got some shit translated on them. seem pretty good. hefty pricetag but zeal has awesome customer support. i know autornd is zeal sellers, cool guys too. tlak w/Josh __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

09-13-2005, 05:07 PM	#3
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Posted about this like 2 weeks ago man. www.more-japan.com Silk Road SPL/KTS HKS A'pexi or save up and get the fuckin' Zeals. The Kei Office ones will work on your chassis, welded or not, jeez.

09-13-2005, 07:59 PM	#7
Pudula Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tucson, w00tizona Age: 41 Posts: 532 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Function b6's really transformed my car... they are stiff but aren't unforgiving.

09-13-2005, 08:33 PM	#8
Arsenal of Glory Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Petoria Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yep, and i just sold my Tanabe DD's over the weekend. from what Tanabe told me was the SEVENS will be a direct replacement for the DD's, same spring rates and the option to go even stiffer! 12/10. Also with the ability to use remote electronic dampening, which is useless i think. the valving is supposed to be a step up from the DD's also, something about indenpently variable speed senstivity. The only thing holding me back is they arent using the casing design for the SEVENS as they did with the DD's! Zeals are awesome in every way imaginable except for the worst bracket design ever. It's waaaaayyyy too short.

09-13-2005, 08:32 PM	#9
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	auto rnd is gonna sponsor my homeboy's evo and are gonna give him half off on some zeal's but from the experiances I've had with them on other parts, they aren't the lowest price in town. I guess I'll stop by auto rnd this week and see what the zeals go for and make a decision from there. If they're willing wheel and deal then I'll probably get the zeals. I really want the dd's, if they won't come down then I'll probably buy something used that'll get me by for a couple month's then buy the seven's.

09-13-2005, 08:41 PM	#10
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	does anyone know when the apex'i n1 evo drift's are gonna be available?

09-13-2005, 08:52 PM	#11
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	has anyone used the tein drift spec? I know the HE's haven't got great reviews but haven't heard much about the drift spec...

09-14-2005, 11:26 AM	#12
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	the sevens are gonna more expensive than the DDs , but not sure how much yet

09-14-2005, 04:04 PM	#14
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	actually I think it's gonna be cheaper, msrp on dd's is $1980 and for the new ones coming out on october 5th they're gonna be $1780 but there is no date on when the s13 and s14's will come out

09-14-2005, 05:01 PM	#15
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Why do companies insist on coming out with new shit when their old shit is perfectly good? A'pexi n1 pro--> Evolution series Bride--> new bride Tanabe DD---> Super/Function/7 thingie

09-14-2005, 05:32 PM	#16
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 48 Posts: 1,972 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	HKS Hiper Ds are awsome... the Yashio Factory Coilovers are basically re-colored Hyper Ds. Got a basically brand new set off Yahoo Japan. Cost is about the same as Zeal Function D. Peace Drew __________________ Follow on IG - KoukiTheToolBox

09-14-2005, 05:48 PM	#17
A Spec Products Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Socal! Off 60/605 Posts: 7,256 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	tanabe is coming out with the Seven series because they are trying to IMPROVE their lineup. the seven is gonna have electronic dampening control that can be preset and adjusts on the fly depending on speed. also, the valving of the suspension is totally different than what the DD was. on other brands of coilovers (specifically the "cheap" 32 way adjustable coilovers), they promise 32 way adjustment but don't pack as much punch as the sevens will. the shock dyno chart above shows the seven (in red) versus another brand on the market (in green). an analogy is that with the other brand its like getting 50 cents in pennies while with the sevens you get a dollar in nickels. the sevens will not be a "drift" or "grip" coilover, but will have a broad range from hard to soft, much greater than the other coilovers on the market. therefore, you won't be limited to your type of driving whether it be track one day and the next minute driving home with comfort. the spring rates will be 10/8kg and 12/10kg. still kyb obviously, so they aren't downgrading their materials or production methods. and the reason why many companies are coming out with new things (many of them with more "affordable" options) is because the current market does not support the high quality stuff. that's a whole 'nother discussion though. __________________ A SPEC PRODUCTS CORP AME Wheels, Advan, ARC, Gram Lights, Nardi, Personal, Recaro, Works Bell, Work Wheels, Volk Racing, 5Zigen, & more! 626.618.1100 x 103 / aim: aspectuan Advertiser's Specials! Read / Give Feedback! Please Rate Us! Last edited by A Spec Products; 09-14-2005 at 06:28 PM..

09-14-2005, 06:29 PM	#19
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 41 Posts: 6,263 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It still sucks.

09-15-2005, 02:39 AM	#20
bcrume Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The guys at auto rnd were telling me that for anything other than hot laps I should stay away from shocks that are needle valved because they'll get hot much quicker. DD's are needle valved but I still want them as/f.kgmsd;'flkhms'h. Does anyone know when the apex'i n1 drift's are gonna come out. I'm still exploring my options. This is the most important piece of equipment on my car and I can't make a decision. And it totally sucks because I need something now!

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