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Twinturbozs · 11-27-2005, 03:03 PM

I was considering purchasing a 97 S14 with SR swap. I was curious if the OBD2 port in the car is used when smogging the car? I understand any SR swap will not pass, but im wondering what procedures are different when smogging an OBD2 car compared to a regular smog. Thanks

**mrmephistopheles** · 11-27-2005, 03:41 PM

yes, OBD ports are utilized when a car is being smogged.

Cashizslick · 11-27-2005, 03:44 PM

^ correcto.

When the smog equipment is connected to the car, it looks to communicate with the car's computer and OBD II sensors. An SR is not and OBD II motor (no jap motors are) and will not communicate with the smog equipment . . . u will fail inspection.

Twinturbozs · 11-27-2005, 04:39 PM

Thanks for the info.. One more question, how does a "certain" smog tech bypass the OBD2 port if he is willing to take the risk if there is no ECU to communicate with?

**mrmephistopheles** · 11-27-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinturbozs

Thanks for the info.. One more question, how does a "certain" smog tech bypass the OBD2 port if he is willing to take the risk if there is no ECU to communicate with?

He doesn't.
The smog machines require a connection to an OBDII port.

Var · 12-01-2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinturbozs

Thanks for the info.. One more question, how does a "certain" smog tech bypass the OBD2 port if he is willing to take the risk if there is no ECU to communicate with?

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

You can't bypass anything. You can use a different car and fool the machine, but that's risky, illegal, and can result in serious fines for everyone involved.

Actually you CAN bypass it. It's at the smog tech's risk though.

Ritz S14 · 12-01-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Var

Actually you CAN bypass it. It's at the smog tech's risk though.

Yeah.. But I didn't want to say anything.

Twinturbozs · 11-27-2005, 06:46 PM

Im sorry to be second guessing you "mrmephistopheles" but there must be some way these guys are getting past smog. Ive seen a few 97-SR's that offer smog with their sales in cali?

projectRDM · 11-27-2005, 06:58 PM

You can't bypass anything. You can use a different car and fool the machine, but that's risky, illegal, and can result in serious fines for everyone involved.

Twinturbozs · 11-27-2005, 07:05 PM

So what youre saying is that another car that is also OBD2 can be substituted during the smog test? Doesnt the uplink record your VIN or vehicle ID while the test is taking place?

**mrmephistopheles** · 11-27-2005, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinturbozs

So what youre saying is that another car that is also OBD2 can be substituted during the smog test? Doesnt the uplink record your VIN or vehicle ID while the test is taking place?

You're assuming there's an embedded VIN in the ECU. That idea is stupid.
ECUs are just computers. Sometimes they get fried or burn out and need replacement. You don't get a whole new VIN or reprogrammed ECU when this happens.

projectRDM · 11-27-2005, 07:12 PM

Supposedly yes, the ECU stores the VIN of the car and sends it when scanned. So technically you can get away with it if no one keeps tabs at the DMV, but if they do or decide to you're all guilty.
I'm only taking guesses here since I don't advocate the misuse of testing centers, we all know there are ways around it just like there's ways to buy cocaine and AK47s without anyone asking questions, but with the amount of weight they can put on violators I think it's best to walk away unless you know that special loophole.

Cashizslick · 11-30-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

Supposedly yes, the ECU stores the VIN of the car and sends it when scanned. So technically you can get away with it if no one keeps tabs at the DMV, but if they do or decide to you're all guilty.

Good luck when u get pulled over.

Cop takes ur registration over to your inspection sticker to compare vins . . . . jail time homie; illegal inspection sticker.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-27-2005, 10:30 PM

The only way those cars passed is by swapping them for another car at the station. No way in hell a OBD2 S14 with a SR20 will pass. Diagnostic port will be used and also the sniffer.

slider2828 · 11-30-2005, 12:46 PM

Hey guys I have a 90 s13 and that is obd1. I had an idea where I think I can pass cali smog. In australia all the 200sx s14 sr20det's have a egr valve, couldn't we fit that egr valve on our car and make it pass? the sr's in australia i think are redtops.... I think that will work because all wiring and everything else is the same as KA cars.... whatcha think?

DP_Michelle G · 11-30-2005, 05:56 PM

^^ In ca homie we dont have inspection stickers like some states. one homie has a shit load of inspection stickers on his mr2 from when he lived in NC

slider- thats still a no go. Any jspec motor that has been tuned up will pass the CA Emissions test but will not pass the visual test.

Cashizslick · 11-30-2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DP_Michelle G

Any jspec motor that has been tuned up will pass the CA Emissions test but will not pass the visual test.

how is a jap motor in an 0bdII car gonna pass the 0bd test if the equipment cant communicate with the 0bd system?

trsilvias13 · 11-30-2005, 06:28 PM

well if a ecu store the vin, and you know one with the same year 240sx , a 97 let him run your ecu then, same thing. just run his car on the smog dyno , BUT let them scan YOUR door jam cuz that where the vin is. And of course you better not say nothign when u get caught.

DP_Michelle G · 11-30-2005, 06:59 PM

Never said it would pass the Diagnostic part of the test. only said it would pass the Emissions part of the test.

fast-datsun · 12-01-2005, 10:53 AM

It will never pass the visual or comunicate with the computer to allow the test to go pass that part.. There are NO legal SR20DET swap in California for any year 240sx. Some have done some thing to get smogs but none are 100% legal..............

slider2828 · 12-01-2005, 11:31 AM

But S13 is OBD1 so there you don't need the onboard computer hook up to do the smog right? Visual only requires that there is charcoal canister and egr valve right?

Ritz S14 · 12-01-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slider2828

But S13 is OBD1 so there you don't need the onboard computer hook up to do the smog right? Visual only requires that there is charcoal canister and egr valve right?

Visual requirements are to make sure there are no illegal modifications done to the car. Which means nothing adding/disconnected/modified and etc.

Visual checks consist of:

PVC
TAC
Evap
CAT
AIS
Gascap
Fuel Injection/Carb
Timing
Check engine light
timing
wiring
and etc.

DP_Michelle G · 12-01-2005, 03:41 PM

most smog techs i know will not smog swapped obd2 cars. they say it's just to much of a risk.

11-27-2005, 03:03 PM	#1
Twinturbozs Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Smog Tech question for OBD2 cars in California? I was considering purchasing a 97 S14 with SR swap. I was curious if the OBD2 port in the car is used when smogging the car? I understand any SR swap will not pass, but im wondering what procedures are different when smogging an OBD2 car compared to a regular smog. Thanks

11-27-2005, 06:58 PM	#9
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	You can't bypass anything. You can use a different car and fool the machine, but that's risky, illegal, and can result in serious fines for everyone involved. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

11-27-2005, 07:12 PM	#12
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 51 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Supposedly yes, the ECU stores the VIN of the car and sends it when scanned. So technically you can get away with it if no one keeps tabs at the DMV, but if they do or decide to you're all guilty. I'm only taking guesses here since I don't advocate the misuse of testing centers, we all know there are ways around it just like there's ways to buy cocaine and AK47s without anyone asking questions, but with the amount of weight they can put on violators I think it's best to walk away unless you know that special loophole. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

11-27-2005, 10:30 PM	#14
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	The only way those cars passed is by swapping them for another car at the station. No way in hell a OBD2 S14 with a SR20 will pass. Diagnostic port will be used and also the sniffer. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

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11-27-2005, 03:44 PM	#3
Cashizslick Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 328 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ correcto. When the smog equipment is connected to the car, it looks to communicate with the car's computer and OBD II sensors. An SR is not and OBD II motor (no jap motors are) and will not communicate with the smog equipment . . . u will fail inspection.

11-27-2005, 04:39 PM	#4
Twinturbozs Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for the info.. One more question, how does a "certain" smog tech bypass the OBD2 port if he is willing to take the risk if there is no ECU to communicate with?

11-27-2005, 06:46 PM	#8
Twinturbozs Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im sorry to be second guessing you "mrmephistopheles" but there must be some way these guys are getting past smog. Ive seen a few 97-SR's that offer smog with their sales in cali?

11-27-2005, 07:05 PM	#10
Twinturbozs Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So what youre saying is that another car that is also OBD2 can be substituted during the smog test? Doesnt the uplink record your VIN or vehicle ID while the test is taking place?

11-30-2005, 12:46 PM	#15
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 6,040 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Hey guys I have a 90 s13 and that is obd1. I had an idea where I think I can pass cali smog. In australia all the 200sx s14 sr20det's have a egr valve, couldn't we fit that egr valve on our car and make it pass? the sr's in australia i think are redtops.... I think that will work because all wiring and everything else is the same as KA cars.... whatcha think?

11-30-2005, 05:56 PM	#16
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 42 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^ In ca homie we dont have inspection stickers like some states. one homie has a shit load of inspection stickers on his mr2 from when he lived in NC slider- thats still a no go. Any jspec motor that has been tuned up will pass the CA Emissions test but will not pass the visual test.

11-30-2005, 06:28 PM	#18
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,995 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	well if a ecu store the vin, and you know one with the same year 240sx , a 97 let him run your ecu then, same thing. just run his car on the smog dyno , BUT let them scan YOUR door jam cuz that where the vin is. And of course you better not say nothign when u get caught.

11-30-2005, 06:59 PM	#19
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 42 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Never said it would pass the Diagnostic part of the test. only said it would pass the Emissions part of the test.

12-01-2005, 10:53 AM	#20
fast-datsun Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 116 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It will never pass the visual or comunicate with the computer to allow the test to go pass that part.. There are NO legal SR20DET swap in California for any year 240sx. Some have done some thing to get smogs but none are 100% legal..............

12-01-2005, 11:31 AM	#21
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 6,040 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	But S13 is OBD1 so there you don't need the onboard computer hook up to do the smog right? Visual only requires that there is charcoal canister and egr valve right?

12-01-2005, 03:41 PM	#23
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 42 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	most smog techs i know will not smog swapped obd2 cars. they say it's just to much of a risk.