The downfall of men in the US

Forget the fact that most men nowadays are not men, but boys who proudly exchange their testicles for a over-dominant woman that can "bring in the bread." With that said, I dont see the above as a surprise...

Conversely, men such as myself chose NOT to complete school because of the high costs of schooling, lack of interest and disbelief in the school system. I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

[yokotas13]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Forget the fact that most men nowadays are not men, but boys who proudly exchange their testicles for a over-dominant woman that can "bring in the bread." With that said, I dont see the above as a surprise...

Conversely, men such as myself chose NOT to complete school because of the high costs of schooling, lack of interest and disbelief in the school system. I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

ding ding

i joined the military, so i could get credible on the job training, and training documentation.
That way, when i retire, i have my retirement pay, as well as all my qualifications frmo aircraft mechanics, and whatever else i cross train into (hopefully media or OSI....like high profile cops)
fuck school IMO.
noone cares these days what your degree is in

[kingsol]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

I personally believe that many teachers should not be teaching. Teachers are typically underpaid. What am I going to learn from someone who is far from successful? Not that I measure success through earnings, but I think you can learn a lot more from people that your own mentors and influences.

Might as well follow your own life and career, and leave the lemming-work to whoever wants to stay in school.

The lemming work to those who stay IN school?! haha! You're logic and facts are out of whack.

Without an education, one is forced to severely limit the number of paths to take in life, left merely with simple interests and, at best, an elementary knowledge of said interest. A degree on the other hand provides flexibility, stability, and assurance when in the job field. Moreover, school will always multiply your possible paths and better equip you for whatever it is you're doing.

I find it very odd to have to justify school and am, quite frankly, shocked by the many negative views on education. More than just the job opportunities, school offers perspective, experience, and the environment necessary for most to progress. And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by kingsol

The lemming work to those who stay IN school?! haha! You're logic and facts are out of whack.

Without an education, one is forced to severely limit the number of paths to take in life, left merely with simple interests and, at best, an elementary knowledge of said interest. A degree on the other hand provides flexibility, stability, and assurance when in the job field. Moreover, school will always multiply your possible paths and better equip you for whatever it is you're doing.

I find it very odd to have to justify school and am, quite frankly, shocked by the many negative views on education. More than just the job opportunities, school offers perspective, experience, and the environment necessary for most to progress. And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

So much uncertainty

Originally Posted by kingsol

And getting a job and being successful will be but a by-product of my time in school, as I have already gained so much from my experiences at the college level.

It is always difficult to convince someone that they're missing out if they've never had that experience, but let me assure you... you're missing out.

Yeah, you are right.. you can learn a lot in college, or when you go to get your masters or PHD - assuming you can remember the lessons you were taught and should have learned.

Just because you can remember something for an exam, doesnt mean you have the knowledge 5 or even 10 years from when you learned it - and it doesnt mean you'll even be remotely close to being able to apply it in the REAL WORLD. Especially when you take into consideration the amount of partying and drinking that most college kids are subjected to.

While knowledge is nice, real life experience is more important.

You can go back and fourth, but the reality is we ALL will experience life and become weathered ONE way or another. Its a fact that pretty much every honest and successful person will have to pay taxes, bills, mortgage, food, insurances, etc - and with that comes the fact that we all need to be able to stay afloat.

Its pointless to compare school vs no-school because we all end up in the real world being exposed to the above, and regardless of how much education you've achieved and how brilliant you are - you will be an absolute failure if you cant pay back your loans and work towards a successful future.

Either path is acceptable, as long as you are sharp enough to stay afloat. If your career path needs school, fine - if it doesnt, fine. But there are a lot of individuals who go to school, get their degree(s), have no idea about real life.. and still work a dead-end job taking commands from the boss. Same can apply to uneducated folks, repetitive manual labor is a bitch.

[steve shadows]

repitive manual labor is easy

[kingsol]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

You can go back and fourth, but the reality is we ALL will experience life and become weathered ONE way or another. Its a fact that pretty much every honest and successful person will have to pay taxes, bills, mortgage, food, insurances, etc - and with that comes the fact that we all need to be able to stay afloat.

Either path is acceptable, as long as you are sharp enough to stay afloat. If your career path needs school, fine - if it doesnt, fine. But there are a lot of individuals who go to school, get their degree(s), have no idea about real life.. and still work a dead-end job taking commands from the boss. Same can apply to uneducated folks, repetitive manual labor is a bitch.

It is true that we will all experience independent life, gaining, along the way, some sort of handle that would allow us to survive and not become homeless, but, let it be known, that experience varies widely. It is, of course, sufficient to simply pick up some sort of trade (usually physical, repetitive labor) and develop a proficiency, which allows one, as you say, to stay "afloat".

Those with a degree are not exempt from such a reality, however, again, there are more options: doctor, lawyer, business man, etc. But you're right though, there are some people who have no idea what's going on in school or not, but I'd say they'd have a much easier time finding their way if in school with the ongoing job fairs throughout the year, recruiters, and info sessions. Granted, all those with a degree are not successful, but many of those who are successful have a degree.

I'd also argue that one needs to have an awareness of the importance of school in order to take full advantage of its benefits (i.e. not the constant party people who blow off school), and this is why I think it's important for people to not view further education so negatively.